Eucharistic Miracles

[Mountainmike]

Eucharistic miracles really make you pause and think. One piece I just read made an interesting point. Most of these miracles have happened when a priest was doubting the real presence or it happened to someone who stole a consecrated host. Maybe what happened was meant only as a warning to the people involved?

Every time I read about miracles, while I don’t necessarily believe or not believe them, I am always drawn back to the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man. The rich man begs Abraham to send Lazarus to his brothers so they’ll believe. Abraham responds and says they have Moses and the prophets and if they don’t believe them, then they wouldn’t believe if someone were to rise from the dead.

We believe because we have faith and believe what the Word says about Jesus.

(Side note, anyone ever read that parable and think it might not just be a parable but something that actually happened?)

There is another common thread. Some were the result of profaning the Eucharist. The host was dropped or discarded. Not believing is also a kind of profaning.

So another theological thought is that our Lord shows his suffering and anguish from profaning the Eucharist. Saying “ I am really here, how dare you! “

 

[Mountainmike]

Yeah, although I’ve mentioned some of those, including Lanciano, online before and the idea was picked a part by one or two posters.

Get Serafinis book ( a cardiologist examines Jesus)
It’s Cheap - look at the science, not what other commentators say.
The pathologists and cardiologists are convinced.

Or tesorieros ( “unseen” , or my human heart)
As a reference for this book, non religious pathologist Robert Lawrence who did some of the forensic pathologyconcluded “ compelling evidence of created cardiac tissue” .

There is a lot of disinformation on the web.
I suggest you Go to the science.

 

[FaithT]

Get Serafinis book ( a cardiologist examines Jesus)
It’s Cheap - look at the science, not what other commentators say.
The pathologists and cardiologists are convinced.

Or tesorieros ( “unseen” , or my human heart)
As a reference for this book, non religious pathologist Robert Lawrence who did some of the forensic pathologyconcluded “ compelling evidence of created cardiac tissue” .

There is a lot of disinformation on the web.
I suggest you Go to the science.

They said that no lab would do testing under those conditions and that with the results of blood and tissue law enforcement would become involved

 

[Mountainmike]

They said that no lab would do testing under those conditions and that with the results of blood and tissue law enforcement would become involved

Sorry I dont understand:
These were all forensic labs of one sort or another. Even national crime forensic labs in the case of tixtla. Their day job is criminology so their procedures are all accredited. The DNA labs used are national names.

It is true that tesoriero approached for example Stuttgart in respect of additional DNA testing and an australian university that was proudly darwinian. Both refused to get involved.

But blind testing is how testing should be done to avoid bias. The tests "is it human blood or not, is it cardiac tissue or not, are their white cells? Is there a DNA profile or MtDNA profile are standard tests. Pathologists normally know the origin of samples they take and under some conditions heart of stress tissue loses striation and pyknosis but the true heart specialists amongst them recognised the damage from eg motor accidents where a seatbelt or steering wheel had done serious trauma.#

All I can say is give it a chance. Read serafinis book a cardiologist. Then make up your mind.

There is an army of sceptics determined to misinform, so go back to the actual science.

One of said sceptics was the dean of the university in which the the sokolka tests were done.
Soubaniec and (name I forget) both respected pathologists identified sokolka as cardiac tissue (the sections say it all) - the dean on purely atheist grounds called it red mould. He had never even seen the samples!

All theistic phenomena face massive resistance from the establishment in science because of their creed.

Any questions ask away. I have a dozen books on them. If you were in the UK I woud send you a copy , I have several.

 

[FaithT]

Sorry I dont understand:
These were all forensic labs of one sort or another. Even national crime forensic labs in the case of tixtla. Their day job is criminology so their procedures are all accredited. The DNA labs used are national names.

It is true that tesoriero approached for example Stuttgart in respect of additional DNA testing and an australian university that was proudly darwinian. Both refused to get involved.

But blind testing is how testing should be done to avoid bias. The tests "is it human blood or not, is it cardiac tissue or not, are their white cells? Is there a DNA profile or MtDNA profile are standard tests. Pathologists normally know the origin of samples they take and under some conditions heart of stress tissue loses striation and pyknosis but the true heart specialists amongst them recognised the damage from eg motor accidents where a seatbelt or steering wheel had done serious trauma.#

All I can say is give it a chance. Read serafinis book a cardiologist. Then make up your mind.

There is an army of sceptics determined to misinform, so go back to the actual science.

One of said sceptics was the dean of the university in which the the sokolka tests were done.
Soubaniec and (name I forget) both respected pathologists identified sokolka as cardiac tissue (the sections say it all) - the dean on purely atheist grounds called it red mould. He had never even seen the samples!

All theistic phenomena face massive resistance from the establishment in science because of their creed.

Any questions ask away. I have a dozen books on them. If you were in the UK I woud send you a copy , I have several.

I pretty much believe the test results. I’m just telling you what the other posters were saying.

 

[FaithT]

Sorry I dont understand:
These were all forensic labs of one sort or another. Even national crime forensic labs in the case of tixtla. Their day job is criminology so their procedures are all accredited. The DNA labs used are national names.

It is true that tesoriero approached for example Stuttgart in respect of additional DNA testing and an australian university that was proudly darwinian. Both refused to get involved.

But blind testing is how testing should be done to avoid bias. The tests "is it human blood or not, is it cardiac tissue or not, are their white cells? Is there a DNA profile or MtDNA profile are standard tests. Pathologists normally know the origin of samples they take and under some conditions heart of stress tissue loses striation and pyknosis but the true heart specialists amongst them recognised the damage from eg motor accidents where a seatbelt or steering wheel had done serious trauma.#

All I can say is give it a chance. Read serafinis book a cardiologist. Then make up your mind.

There is an army of sceptics determined to misinform, so go back to the actual science.

One of said sceptics was the dean of the university in which the the sokolka tests were done.
Soubaniec and (name I forget) both respected pathologists identified sokolka as cardiac tissue (the sections say it all) - the dean on purely atheist grounds called it red mould. He had never even seen the samples!

All theistic phenomena face massive resistance from the establishment in science because of their creed.

Any questions ask away. I have a dozen books on them. If you were in the UK I woud send you a copy , I have several.

I ordered the book from Amazon.

 

[Mountainmike]

I pretty much believe the test results. I’m just telling you what the other posters were saying.

I have seen all the criticisms there are at one time or another. Most of them misleading. It is beyond doubt this is cardiac tissue. Heart myocardium.
. So there are only three hypotheses possible . 1/ taken from cadaver 2/ taken from living person who it would kill ( ie murder) 3/ it is what it claims created tissue in the Eucharist.

1/ is discountable because of white cells show life, and the DNA identity is effectively “ bar code zero”. So didn’t come from a body ( I’ll explain that further if you wish but trying to keep the answer short)

2/ there is no murder victim ( in Poland they even looked for one!) , and it would have needed a massively skilled surgeon to do it. The DNA discounts that too.

So 3/ is also demonstrated by default.

The point of all this is - that the ones who would normally conduct investigations in 1/ 2/ are not academia but criminal forensic labs and pathologists anyway , and they are the ones who did it in this case. Criminal forensic labs are sometimes connected to universities. The investigator in the case of tixtla , also holds a chair of legal forensics. The investigators at bialystock were based at rhe university but did a lot of criminal forensics.

Buenos airies - one investigator zugibe was not only a New York county pathologist but also a cardiac specialist who had written many papers on the heart.

These ARE the right people to judge. All of them used as criminal expert witnesses.

 

[FaithT]

Get Serafinis book ( a cardiologist examines Jesus)
It’s Cheap - look at the science, not what other commentators say.
The pathologists and cardiologists are convinced.

Or tesorieros ( “unseen” , or my human heart)
As a reference for this book, non religious pathologist Robert Lawrence who did some of the forensic pathologyconcluded “ compelling evidence of created cardiac tissue” .

There is a lot of disinformation on the web.
I suggest you Go to the science.

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