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I have to agree with you here. Altho, my husband tells me I'm totally wrong about the economy thing and that even 1 abortion for medical reasons is too many (we learned to agree to disagree on many things early on).

I have an old 'friend' who is against abortion entirely meaning 'let the woman die' if need be.
He says to 'trust God' in such a case....all the while he's pumping a dozen or so prescriptions down his throat to keep himself from dying from these 5 or 6 crazy diseases he has now.
Seems a bit hypocritical to me seeing that he DOES promote self defense with a gun even and to the point of taking someones life.

I would never disallow an abortion where the womans life is at stake. There is NO sense in losing TWO lives over some hypocritical stance one has decided to take..


Sometimes a protest vote is your best option. Personally, the idea of McCain dying in office early and leaving Palin in charge scares the crap out of me! I don't trust her any more than I did Bush. I didn't vote for him either time and don't plan to invite him for dinner - he might walk off with the silver! Obama doesn't worry me as much, but I don't agree with everything he says he wants to do (or has done) and Joe Biden has become abit of a loose cannon.

You pick Howard the Duck, I pick Snoopy and Woodstock.
Great....one vote Howard, one vote Snoopy/Woodstock :thumbsup:
 
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personally, I think this country deserves Obama with its demand for mass immorality & rejection of God.
So busy worrying about "rights", that we don't even care WHAT Rights we're demanding!
ie. SIN. All hail our "rights"... but nevermind that we're committing sin in God's eyes.

All I need to do is see who votes for this man & it tells me all I need to know: Hollywood, Acorn, Media, liberals......
People don't even care about his previous associations with extremists & a mentor of a racist pastor for 20 yrs.

If they vote him in they'll get what they want & should enjoy the ride & where it takes us.
What the heck, Christians of ancient days had harmful rulers back then too - why should we be any different?

& sorry, Palin has even more experience than Obama does - WITH A RECORD of success!
People are too busy with appearance than to see the facts on paper.

So be it.:wave:
 
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& sorry, Palin has even more experience than Obama does - WITH A RECORD of success!
That she does have.
I have more faith in her and McCain over Obama...its just that it seems like the choices keep getting worse every election.
Arent there any politicians left who stand out ?
 
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Sometimes a protest vote is your best option. Personally, the idea of McCain dying in office early and leaving Palin in charge scares the crap out of me! I don't trust her any more than I did Bush. I didn't vote for him either time and don't plan to invite him for dinner
sounds lovely till you remember who his opponents were!

John Kerry & Al Gore!

nuff said
 
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That she does have.
I have more faith in her and McCain over Obama...its just that it seems like the choices keep getting worse every election.
Arent there any politicians left who stand out ?
they are HM. they are!

I would of never voted for McCain in the primaries. I wanted Thompson
But by the time the primaries would of gotten to my state, it was already over with - the candidate was already chosen.

Our choices are dwindling away the further away we move from the Lord.
that's how I view all this political crap anymore.
I'm disheartened & am having to vote for people I don't so much want just becuz they're less of a NITEMARE than the other.

God help us

& I also lost all my trust in our political leaders; I trust NONE of them becuz the system is now too big and too corrupt for anyone to get anything done that would be helpful for the USA.
The banks get the bailout money & then blow it on their shareholders instead of use it for what they got it for.
Even THEY are corrupt & greedy, not caring to try to fix the country.

We deserve any poor leader we get - we need God in this land
 
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personally, I think this country deserves Obama with its demand for mass immorality & rejection of God.
So busy worrying about "rights", that we don't even care WHAT Rights we're demanding!
ie. SIN. All hail our "rights"... but nevermind that we're committing sin in God's eyes.

All I need to do is see who votes for this man & it tells me all I need to know: Hollywood, Acorn, Media, liberals......
People don't even care about his previous associations with extremists & a mentor of a racist pastor for 20 yrs.

If they vote him in they'll get what they want & should enjoy the ride & where it takes us.
What the heck, Christians of ancient days had harmful rulers back then too - why should we be any different?


Here I am challenging again, but it's open curiosity, not judgement. Keep in mind I don't hold much back, and skim over many complex topics quickly. I'm merely giving another view very differnt from yours in contrast, nothing more.

I'm Canadian and I vote for the Green Party of Canada. They're the most left-wing of the four major Canadian parties and I vote for them because even though I find them too right-wing for my tastes, there's nothing and probably won't be anything as close to socialism as them. Yep... I'm one of those Canadian socialist hippies :)

There is THAT side of governing, but there's also another side. You may not like some of the liberal laws a more left-leaning government would try to implement and that's great, that's why you're given the freedom to vote.

But that's not the only reason to vote for someone, and this is where I think some Christians who vote conservative are actually voting for things that they don't believe in. They may get their laws, and laws are obviously very important, but there's much more to governing a country than putting laws through.

You have the american economy/economic system and I fail to see how conservatives are doing anything with the economy that your average Christian would have any interest in. It's about imperialism outside of america and consumerism inside of america. The culture of consumerism that is supplanting some aspects of culture that Christians once held dear. This is a sour by-product of conservative capitalism, and much more money and focus is spent by the most 'Christian' and right-wing governments on this than promoting any aspect of Christianity that I'm aware of.

Even worse is what conservative governments do outside of america. Look at America's history with natural resources such as oil, sugar, spice, cloth, tea, coffee, cloth, meat, diamonds, coal, gold, fruit etc. Some people think some american foreign policies to these resources are old stories, but most of them still occur, some even moreso now than ever. Look at how many right-wing conservative companies have outsourced and abandoned america for cheap slave labour in non-Christian and in many cases Godless and godless third world countries. Many of these poor countries' resources are almost exclusively owned and operated by American multi-nationals. i.e - South America. Many of these people are at least Catholic, and are desperately living off of less than a dollar a day because they and everyone in their country is essentially held slaves to the corporations that essentially run and manage their countries. Conservative governments support these corporations, kiss their lobbyist's feet and do everything they can to keep the system the way it is.

I'm not going to claim to know the answer to everything political. I know far from it. But I do believe that conservative governments only take the sides they take on issues like abortion, death penalty, homosexuality and education the way they do to get your vote. They merely represent the Christian votes while the democrats represent the secular votes. I don't think much of it has anything to do with what anyone really cares about, because outside of a few moral promises there's very little Chrstian about their platform and their actions.
 
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We deserve any poor leader we get - we need God in this land
That we do.
Im betting that Obama will get in.
What does worry me tho is we've already seen that the nuts are forming already to try to assassinate him.
So a black president is already in danger from what we've seen....if he gets too radical while he's in office you just know its going to fire up hundreds of others of these nutcases out there hiding it the woods preparing for civil war.

politics aside, I feel worried for the man. He really needs to not rock the boat too much and maybe many who hate him just because hes not white might come around. Plus if he makes too big a stink you just know the next black american who runs is going to have to work 10 times harder to prove himself.

Obama is horrible where it comes to our constitutional rights from what Ive seen of his voting record.
A black president who already has folks apparently gunning for him coming into office trying to take away our constitutional rights is a recipe for disaster.

I dont like the guy at all but I will most certainly be praying for his safety whether he gets into office or not. Even if he doesnt he's in the limelight now and I worry that one of these whackos will try to hurt him just to prove a point.

Course, half to most of these nuts are using 'God' as their reasoning for doing what they do...

Its going to be a really hairy 4 years either way in my opinion.
 
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personally, I think this country deserves Obama with its demand for mass immorality & rejection of God.
So busy worrying about "rights", that we don't even care WHAT Rights we're demanding!
ie. SIN. All hail our "rights"... but nevermind that we're committing sin in God's eyes.

All I need to do is see who votes for this man & it tells me all I need to know: Hollywood, Acorn, Media, liberals......
People don't even care about his previous associations with extremists & a mentor of a racist pastor for 20 yrs.

If they vote him in they'll get what they want & should enjoy the ride & where it takes us.
What the heck, Christians of ancient days had harmful rulers back then too - why should we be any different?

& sorry, Palin has even more experience than Obama does - WITH A RECORD of success!
People are too busy with appearance than to see the facts on paper.

So be it.:wave:

I heard a pretty good line last night. Something like: McCain's campaign taught us that Obama proved he was a muslim by going to church every Sunday for 20 years, and McCain proved he was a christian by never going to church.

Honestly, on what basis can you possibly say McCain is any more christain thatn Obama?
 
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I heard a pretty good line last night. Something like: McCain's campaign taught us that Obama proved he was a muslim by going to church every Sunday for 20 years, and McCain proved he was a christian by never going to church.

Honestly, on what basis can you possibly say McCain is any more christain thatn Obama?
I'd kinda like to know where I said McCain was MORE of a Christian

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I don't think you read my post too closely
 
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I'd kinda like to know where I said McCain was MORE of a Christian

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I don't think you read my post too closely


Well, you seemed to suggest that we should vote for McCain because Obama is anti-christian. Inherent in such an argument would be that McCain is more christian. Perhaps, though, your entire post was simply empty rhetoric. That's perfectly possible, and would be in lock-step with nearly everything that campaign has said so far.

In any event, any claim that Obama is anti-christian is just false.
 
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Well, you seemed to suggest that we should vote for McCain because Obama is anti-christian. Inherent in such an argument would be that McCain is more christian. Perhaps, though, your entire post was simply empty rhetoric. That's perfectly possible, and would be in lock-step with nearly everything that campaign has said so far.

In any event, any claim that Obama is anti-christian is just false.
Is it false? And you know he's a Christian just becuz he claimed to be - while going to a racist church that attacks whites, white people w/ money & the USA?

I don't mind that my posts was negative - it was meant to be becuz that's how I feel and view that man for a whole list of reasons I don't have time to list out here.

I'd vote for McCain becuz he actually served our country - didn't try to pull the troops out (guaranteeing defeat), he didn't try to cut all funding to the troops, he doesn't have the terrorist/extremist associations, or assoc. w/ Acorn who he supports and didn't chastize for being caught with false registrations in handfuls of states, he isn't pro abortion, he doesn't try to start class wars (while he himself is filthy rich) & promote socialism - taking other's hard earned money & deciding what should be done with it, he wants bigger govt. & wants to cut defense spending drastically.......
those are just off the top of my head - there's lots more like he says one thing one day, then does another a few wks later; assuming we all forgot.
Esp. his early claim before the campaigns started that he just refused to lower himself to have a negative campaign. He was above all that.

But it sure didn't take long to see his gloves come off & get ugly (all the while he points at McCain for being "negative". ^_^:doh: but he's above all that kind of mean-spirited stuff)... he wasn't going to take public donations - later on he changes his mind & goes public....
etc.
We've also seen a huge shift in his stated goals & policies from awhile back - as he tries to pander to the less liberal. He says one thing to one group & tells another group a watered down version & leaves a few things out.
He was also voted the most liberal senator (how does one manage to beat Ted Kennedy in liberalism???) :o

His Christianity (or lack thereof) has nothing to do w/ why I wouldn't vote for him no matter what his spiritual status.
 
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I'll post this letter that spells it out better than I can

Why I Can't Vote For Obama
By Huntley Brown

Dear Friends,
A few months ago I was asked for my perspective on Obama, I sent out an email with a few points. With the election just around the corner I decided to complete my perspective.

First, I must say whomever wins the election will have my prayer support.
Obama needs to be commended for his accomplishments, but I need to explain why I will not be voting for him.

Many of my friends process their identity through their blackness.
I process my identity through Christ. Being a Christian (a Christ follower) means He leads, I follow. I can't dictate the terms He does because He is the leader .
I can't vote black because I am black, I have to vote Christian because that's who I am.
Christian first, black second. Neither should anyone from the other ethnic groups vote because of ethnicity. 200 years from now I
won't be asked if I was black or white. I will be asked if I knew Jesus and accepted Him as Lord and Savior.


In an election there are many issues to consider but when a society gets abortion, same-sex marriage, embryonic stem-cell research, and human cloning wrong, economic concerns will soon not matter.
We need to follow Martin Luther King's words, don't judge someone by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
I don't know Obama so all I can go off is his voting record.
His voting record earned him the title of the most liberal senator in the US Senate in 2007.


NATIONAL JOURNAL: Obama: Most Liberal Senator in 2007 (1/31/2008).
To beat Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton as the most liberal senator takes some doing. Obama accomplished this feat in two short years. I wonder what would happen to America if he had four years to work with.
There is a reason Planned Parenthood gives him a 100 % rating.
There is a reason the homosexual community supports him.
There is a reason Ahmadinejad, Chavez, Castro, Hamas, etc., love him.
There is a reason he said he would nominate liberal judges to the Supreme Court.
There is a reason he voted against the infanticide bill.
There is a reason he voted No on the constitutional ban of same-sex marriage.
There is a reason he voted No on banning partial birth abortion.
There is a reason he voted No on confirming Justices Roberts and Alito.
These two judges are conservatives and they have since overturned partial birth abortion--the same practice Obama wanted to continue.

Let's take a look at the practice he wanted to continue.
The 5 Step Partial Birth Abortion procedure
A. Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby's leg with forceps.
(Remember, this is a live baby.)
B. The baby's leg is pulled out into the birth canal.
C. The abortionist delivers the baby's entire body, except for the head.
D. The abortionist jams scissors into the baby's skull. The scissors are then opened to enlarge the hole.
E. The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The child's brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed.

God help him.

There is a reason Obama opposed the parental notification law.
Think about this: you can't give a kid an aspirin without parental notification, but that same kid can have an abortion without parental notification. This is insane.

There is a reason he went to Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years.
Obama tells us he has good judgment, but he sat under Jeremiah Wright teaching for 20 years. Now he is condemning Wright's sermons. I wonder why now?
Obama said Jeremiah Wright led him to the Lord and discipled him. A disciple is one in training. Jesus told us in Matthew 28:19 - 20 'Go and make disciples of all nations.' This means reproduce yourself. Teach people to think like you, walk like you, talk like you believe what you believe, etc. The question I have is, what did Jeremiah Wright teach him?

Would you support a white President who went to a church which has tenets that said they have a:
1. Commitment to the white community.
2. Commitment to the white family.
3. Adherence to the white work ethic.
4. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the white community .
5. Pledge to allocate regularly, a portion of personal resources for strengthening and supporting white institutions.
6. Pledge allegiance to all white leadership who espouse and embrace the white value system.
7. Personal commitment to embracement of the white value system.

Would you support a President who went to a church like that?
Just change the word from white to black and you have the tenets of Obama's former church. If President Bush was a member of a church like this, he would be called a racist.
Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton would have been marching outside.
This kind of church is a racist church. Obama did not wake up after 20 years and just discover he went to a racist church.

The church can't be about race. Jesus did not come for any particular race. He came for the whole world.
A church can't have a value system based on race. The church's value system has to be based on biblical mandate. It does not matter if its a white church or a black church--it's still wrong. Anyone from either race who attends a church like this would never get my vote.
Obama's former Pastor Jeremiah Wright is a disciple of liberal theologian James Cone, author of the 1970 book, 'A Black Theology of Liberation.' Cone wrote: 'Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him.'
Cone is the man Obama's mentor looks up to. Does Obama believe this?


So what does all this mean for the nation?
In the past when the Lord brought someone with the beliefs of Obama to lead a nation it meant one thing -- judgment.
Read 1 Samuel 8:6 when Israel asked for a king.
First God says in 1 Samuel 8:9 'Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do.'
Then God says, 1 Samuel 8:18 ' When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will not answer you in that day.'
19 But the people refused to listen to Samuel. 'No!' they said. 'We want a king over us.
20 Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles.'
21 When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the LORD.
22 The LORD answered, 'Listen to them and give them a king.'

Here is what we know for sure.
God is not schizophrenic.
He would not tell one person to vote for Obama and one to vote for McCain. As the scripture says, a city divided against itself cannot stand, so obviously many people are not hearing from God.
Maybe I am the one not hearing, but I know God does not change and Obama contradicts many things I read in scripture so I doubt it.

For all my friends who are voting for Obama, can you really look God in the face and say; 'Father, based on Your word, I am voting for Obama even though I know he will continue the genocidal practice of partial birth abortion. He might have to nominate three or four supreme court justices, and I am sure he will be nominating liberal judges who will be making laws that are against You. I also know he will continue to push for homosexual rights, even though You destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for this. I know I can look the other way because of the economy.'

I could not see Jesus agreeing with many of Obama's positions. Finally I have two questions for all my liberal friends.
Since we know someone's value system has to be placed on the nation,
1. Whose value system should be placed on the nation?
2. Who should determine that this is the right value system for the nation?

Blessings,
Huntley Brown
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Is it false? And you know he's a Christian just becuz he claimed to be - while going to a racist church that attacks whites, white people w/ money & the USA?

I don't mind that my posts was negative - it was meant to be becuz that's how I feel and view that man for a whole list of reasons I don't have time to list out here.

I'd vote for McCain becuz he actually served our country - didn't try to pull the troops out (guaranteeing defeat), he didn't try to cut all funding to the troops, he doesn't have the terrorist/extremist associations, or assoc. w/ Acorn who he supports and didn't chastize for being caught with false registrations in handfuls of states, he isn't pro abortion, he doesn't try to start class wars (while he himself is filthy rich) & promote socialism - taking other's hard earned money & deciding what should be done with it, he wants bigger govt. & wants to cut defense spending drastically.......
those are just off the top of my head - there's lots more like he says one thing one day, then does another a few wks later; assuming we all forgot.
Esp. his early claim before the campaigns started that he just refused to lower himself to have a negative campaign. He was above all that.

But it sure didn't take long to see his gloves come off & get ugly (all the while he points at McCain for being "negative". ^_^:doh: but he's above all that kind of mean-spirited stuff)... he wasn't going to take public donations - later on he changes his mind & goes public....
etc.
We've also seen a huge shift in his stated goals & policies from awhile back - as he tries to pander to the less liberal. He says one thing to one group & tells another group a watered down version & leaves a few things out.
He was also voted the most liberal senator (how does one manage to beat Ted Kennedy in liberalism???) :o

His Christianity (or lack thereof) has nothing to do w/ why I wouldn't vote for him no matter what his spiritual status.


If it has nothing to do with your decision whether to vote for him, why would you bring it up in a discussion about whether to vote for him?
 
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Interesting claims - I'd like to know more of what you know on the two candidates as I know much less detailwise about each.

Coming from a Canadian who finds the green party in Canada (the most left-leaning of the four main parties) too right-leaning, I probably have a significantly different worldview.

To me Obama is the furthest thing from a socialist (except for McCain!) as I see the Canadian government, even when it was under the liberals, to be far too right-leaning.

What I'm curious of is why you think Obama is too socialist or 'a' socialist?

Well, to be honest, both Dems and Rep are socialist now. Socialism is simple, big government doing for people what they should do for themselves. Our government has brought forth many socialist programs.

SS and Medicare are socialist programs. They say the Americans can't save for retirement, so the government must. Americans can't save, because of lack of education about how money works. The fact is the government has done a worse job than the people would have. SS and Medicare now owe the American people over 70 trillion dollars, more money in all banks and stocks in the world. The lie continues, but the programs will not be there in the future.

40% of Americans pay no taxes, yet Obama claims he will give them a tax credit. How do you give back a credit to those that do not pay in. The fact is it's just welfare.

All of America now feels entitled. That someone else should pay for their mistakes, wants or needs. Not just the poor, including the rich. We have bailed out farmers, banks, the auto industry. Instead of letting these system fail or be absorbed, we that work must pay for their failure. However, we can't work enough to pay for what's coming.

There will be another mortgage crisis next year. More people than this year will go bankrupt. What will we do, vote in another trillion dollar bail out plan?

The only thing that keeps us going is we print more fake money. In the past, we've gotten loans from foreign nations. This drives the dollar down even more. However, other nations are now refusing to loan us money. Our debt to the world is massive and the fact is we can't pay it back. They would loan us money as long as our economy grew. Due to the energy crisis, our economy went south. The loans have stopped.

There is no fix. We will go through a depression worse than before. Government can't fix most problems because they are now global.

When people are left with no help, they cry to government. Obama will raise taxes. When he raises capital gains tax, the stock market will crash.
Who would invest in stocks when they know they will pay 60% more in gain taxes.

With all the taxes on the rich...who will get hurt, not the rich. They will pass these cost to the consumer. They will move businesses over seas as they do now. Lay offs will be massive and benefits will be cut. Most corporations will drop medical insurance because they can't compete, knowing they can put people on the government medical plan. No raises, bonuses, ect.

What we need is proper regulation. The Rep under regulate, the Dems over regulate. Over is certainly worse. The Dems just voted to allow drilling in Alaska. However, with all the regulation and red tape, no one will touch it.

I admire Donald Trump when it comes to business. I think he is right. The perfect storm has hit. Our economy will face a total meltdown, taking much of the world with it, except India, China and Russia.

Americans that aren't ready will face disaster. We have a young generation that is spoiled. That is why they are for Obama. However, Obama, nor McCain can save us from 30 years of failed policy.

I own a small business, so I have looked at both plans carefully. Obama will be a disaster for small business. However, McCain would never get anything past a Dem congress. Most small business owners had one of their best years in 07, to the worst year in 08. That's how fast things can come down.
 
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If it has nothing to do with your decision whether to vote for him, why would you bring it up in a discussion about whether to vote for him?
I thought this was voting ethics?
Can we not base decisions on more than religion?

Additionally, what good is faith if it the fruit isn't manifested? Religion (in this case, Christianity) has to be backed up WITH Godly principles. I don't find a man voting for partial birth abortion & funding abortionists as something "Christian". If you do, then we have a complete disagreement on the definition of one.

I look for alot more than mere claims - esp. in this day and age of deception.
 
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Well, to be honest, both Dems and Rep are socialist now. Socialism is simple, big government doing for people what they should do for themselves. Our government has brought forth many socialist programs.

SS and Medicare are socialist programs. They say the Americans can't save for retirement, so the government must. Americans can't save, because of lack of education about how money works. The fact is the government has done a worse job than the people would have. SS and Medicare now owe the American people over 70 trillion dollars, more money in all banks and stocks in the world. The lie continues, but the programs will not be there in the future.

40% of Americans pay no taxes, yet Obama claims he will give them a tax credit. How do you give back a credit to those that do not pay in. The fact is it's just welfare.

All of America now feels entitled. That someone else should pay for their mistakes, wants or needs. Not just the poor, including the rich. We have bailed out farmers, banks, the auto industry. Instead of letting these system fail or be absorbed, we that work must pay for their failure. However, we can't work enough to pay for what's coming.

There will be another mortgage crisis next year. More people than this year will go bankrupt. What will we do, vote in another trillion dollar bail out plan?

The only thing that keeps us going is we print more fake money. In the past, we've gotten loans from foreign nations. This drives the dollar down even more. However, other nations are now refusing to loan us money. Our debt to the world is massive and the fact is we can't pay it back. They would loan us money as long as our economy grew. Due to the energy crisis, our economy went south. The loans have stopped.

There is no fix. We will go through a depression worse than before. Government can't fix most problems because they are now global.

When people are left with no help, they cry to government. Obama will raise taxes. When he raises capital gains tax, the stock market will crash.
Who would invest in stocks when they know they will pay 60% more in gain taxes.

With all the taxes on the rich...who will get hurt, not the rich. They will pass these cost to the consumer. They will move businesses over seas as they do now. Lay offs will be massive and benefits will be cut. Most corporations will drop medical insurance because they can't compete, knowing they can put people on the government medical plan. No raises, bonuses, ect.

What we need is proper regulation. The Rep under regulate, the Dems over regulate. Over is certainly worse. The Dems just voted to allow drilling in Alaska. However, with all the regulation and red tape, no one will touch it.

I admire Donald Trump when it comes to business. I think he is right. The perfect storm has hit. Our economy will face a total meltdown, taking much of the world with it, except India, China and Russia.

Americans that aren't ready will face disaster. We have a young generation that is spoiled. That is why they are for Obama. However, Obama, nor McCain can save us from 30 years of failed policy.

I own a small business, so I have looked at both plans carefully. Obama will be a disaster for small business. However, McCain would never get anything past a Dem congress. Most small business owners had one of their best years in 07, to the worst year in 08. That's how fast things can come down.

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Dear HuntingMan. I could not vote, but I saw enough on television to realise that it was high time for a change. I have never had the privilege to watch so many thousands of men and women, who were more than ready to embrace Barrack Obama`s policies. Not only my tears were with the people, but my sincerest prayers will be with Barrack Obama and his followers. I say this gratefully and with love. Emmy, sister in Christ.
 
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Dear HuntingMan. I could not vote, but I saw enough on television to realise that it was high time for a change. I have never had the privilege to watch so many thousands of men and women, who were more than ready to embrace Barrack Obama`s policies. Not only my tears were with the people, but my sincerest prayers will be with Barrack Obama and his followers. I say this gratefully and with love. Emmy, sister in Christ.
change? BUT IN WHAT DIRECTION? & at what cost??

Change isn't good when it creates serious harm in other ways. Liberalism is NOT good change whatsoever.
If you want to see where we're headed in the USA, take a peek over into Europe where they've gone full blown liberal and socialist.
Take a look at Canada too.

Sorry but McCain would of brought good change, he's very moderate and very much unlike our current Pres. PLUS has tons more experience in office than 2 yrs of showing up to vote "present", PLUS served in our military & knows military inside & out (Obama would of pulled us out of Iraq ensuring absolute DEFEAT - real wise there), PLUS he's against abortion (which Obama promotes Abortion in all stages and funds it),
PLUS is for getting us some FUEL so we're less dependant on foreign oil, PLUS wants to cut wasteful govt. spending and make govt. smaller & many more things that would change things drastically if implimented.

If you want liberalism & what Europe & Canada have become, then you will be happy. This Christian is sickened by it all.
 
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