Ethics in voting

[SealedEternal]

I refuse to vote for either. We have a two party system where one side pushes us towards fascism while the other Communism. Neither side stands for the constitution or the principles layed out by our forefathers. We're stuck in this lose/lose dialectic where we choose which type of tyranny we want, while neither side is protecting our freedom.

I would have voted for Ron Paul if he were a viable candidate, but I refuse to give in to the lesser of two evils mentality, which still means you support evil. The Constitutional Party is better, so I may consider voting for Baldwin if anything.

SealedEternal

 

[GQ Chris]

 

[GQ Chris]

THE MESSIAH IS RISING! ARE YOU READY FOR THE DAY OF THE NEW DAWN?

 

[GQ Chris]

McCain is far from perfect, he has many faults, but I do not see a Soul in Barrack Hussein Obama, or Barry Sotoro, or whatever his name is. I don't see a Soul in him at all.

 

[pgp_protector]

McCain is far from perfect, he has many faults, but I do not see a Soul in Barrack Hussein Obama, or Barry Sotoro, or whatever his name is. I don't see a Soul in him at all.

Wow that's so cool, you can see the Soul ?
Can you also see Spirits ?

 

[GQ Chris]

Wow that's so cool, you can see the Soul ?
Can you also see Spirits ?

*yawns*

 

[pgp_protector]

*yawns*

So was that a yes or no ?

 

[HuntingMan]

Howard in 08

 

[Nadiine]

I'm voting McCain - I think Palin's a Christian & more fit for office than Obama & Bidon combined.

The ramifications of Obama getting in are too serious for me to throw a vote away to some obscure nobody I've never heard of becuz I decide it's time to throw a tantrum about the 2 party voting system.

I won't be distracted by it.

If Obama gets in, rest assured, there may likely be a far left monopoly in the govt.
without checks & balances - no way am I throwing my vote away this year

 

[white dove]

You have to vote your conscience... not what the vast majority of people are doing. If you choose to "throw away" your vote, then do it, so long as you feel convicted to do so. If you choose to abstain from voting, that is your choice, as well. I feel very much like you in the fact that this particular election seems even MORE of an issue of the lesser of 2 evils. To me, they are both unworthy of the seat.. but I know that it is not the end-all to end all. Look at the issues that are most important to you (which is what it appears you are doing) and tally them up to see if one particular candidate sticks out slightly more than the rest. Keep a running contact with your Congressman, stay vigilant in politics and in your local community as a whole. Just because there isn't a man on deck, doesn't mean there aren't a slew of people below deck who aren't preparing for the times ahead.

 

[Nadiine]

You have to vote your conscience... not what the vast majority of people are doing. If you choose to "throw away" your vote, then do it, so long as you feel convicted to do so. If you choose to abstain from voting, that is your choice, as well. I feel very much like you in the fact that this particular election seems even MORE of an issue of the lesser of 2 evils. To me, they are both unworthy of the seat.. but I know that it is not the end-all to end all. Look at the issues that are most important to you (which is what it appears you are doing) and tally them up to see if one particular candidate sticks out slightly more than the rest. Keep a running contact with your Congressman, stay vigilant in politics and in your local community as a whole. Just because there isn't a man on deck, doesn't mean there aren't a slew of people below deck who aren't preparing for the times ahead.

I wouldn't go as far to say McCain is unworthy of the seat;
he fought in our military, and was a POW and endured severe torment at the hands of his captors.

I actually think that does make him worthy along w/ his time in govt. I may not agree w/ all his ideals, but he is worthy & capable; alot more than BO in many ways who literally threw away many votes by voting "present"....
finally his real self is showing tho - with the latest socialism statements he's said along w/ Bidon's outrage at the Q he was just asked by that reporter.
They now refuse to deal w/ that network. If McCain did that, they'de of been all over him for not being able to handle an interview Q.
True colors are showing - and it's not pretty.

 

[white dove]

I wouldn't go as far to say McCain is unworthy of the seat;
he fought in our military, and was a POW and endured severe torment at the hands of his captors.

That might make him a national hero and a POW, worthy of respect for his service to God and to country.. but that doesn't necessarily make him a good Presidential candidate.

True colors are showing - and it's not pretty.

True colors are indeed showing. Amen.

 

[Nadiine]

That might make him a national hero and a POW, worthy of respect for his service to God and to country.. but that doesn't necessarily make him a good Presidential candidate.



True colors are indeed showing. Amen.

just to add that I had stated that his military service & POW experience along w/ his govt. work for so many years made him worthy.
Those combined; not just military background.

I'd agree w/ you, that alone wouldn't make a good candidate. But even that would be better than BO's lack of experience.

You know who I'm most impressed with is Fred Thompson's wife -
brilliant & well spoken.

 

[white dove]

just to add that I had stated that his military service & POW experience along w/ his govt. work for so many years made him worthy.
Those combined; not just military background.

I'd agree w/ you, that alone wouldn't make a good candidate. But even that would be better than BO's lack of experience.

You know who I'm most impressed with is Fred Thompson's wife -
brilliant & well spoken.

 

[Armistead]

I think McCain is an honorable man and certainly better than Bush, but just can't get his message across. He should have a big lead, but they
have ran the worse campaign ever. Palin was a terrible pick. Obama is smart, but he is a socialist. He is radical to the left. The question remains will he move to the center or use the office to promote welfare.

The worse is yet to come. I have studied both of their plans and both will
fail the economy. Obama will win and the Dems will have a free hand for a few years. They will fail miserbly and the Republicans will get another chance.

I also am tired of voting for the lessor of two evils. I wish Paul would have won. We are now voting for idealology, not reform.

I vote, but mostly for state seats. I will probably vote for Obama. I think the Republicans need to take a breather and reform why the Dems implode.

 

[manchambo]

Dude, if you're going to start a thread about the ethics of voting you can leave out your attacks on either of them. Just because their policies are not the greatest does not give you the right to start calling one of them a terrorist.

Do whatever you feel is best. As for me, I'm voting on one issue- education- and ignoring the rest for fear of never deciding. In fact, I already have voted.

I thought he betrayed his feelings more in calling Obama a nimrod. You might could call Obama a lot of things, but stupid ain't one of them. Harvard Law, President of Harvard Law Review, Professor of Constitutional Law at University of Chicago (one of the finest--and most conservative--law schools in the country, for those outside the legal profession).

That sure sounds like a nimrod to me.

 

[jami3636]

I think McCain is an honorable man and certainly better than Bush, but just can't get his message across. He should have a big lead, but they
have ran the worse campaign ever. Palin was a terrible pick. Obama is smart, but he is a socialist. He is radical to the left. The question remains will he move to the center or use the office to promote welfare.

The worse is yet to come. I have studied both of their plans and both will
fail the economy. Obama will win and the Dems will have a free hand for a few years. They will fail miserbly and the Republicans will get another chance.

I also am tired of voting for the lessor of two evils. I wish Paul would have won. We are now voting for idealology, not reform.

I vote, but mostly for state seats. I will probably vote for Obama. I think the Republicans need to take a breather and reform why the Dems implode.

Interesting claims - I'd like to know more of what you know on the two candidates as I know much less detailwise about each.

Coming from a Canadian who finds the green party in Canada (the most left-leaning of the four main parties) too right-leaning, I probably have a significantly different worldview.

To me Obama is the furthest thing from a socialist (except for McCain!) as I see the Canadian government, even when it was under the liberals, to be far too right-leaning.

What I'm curious of is why you think Obama is too socialist or 'a' socialist?

 

[Celticflower]

Sort of stinks...the democrats typically end up doing better for the economy over all, but the things they want to allow just ruin the whole campaign.
Im against using abortion for birth control. I do understand that sometimes one is necessary, say if both mother and child are going to die and an abortion will save the mother, so I believe we have to keep it available in some circumstances, but not just as a 'choice'.

I have to agree with you here. Altho, my husband tells me I'm totally wrong about the economy thing and that even 1 abortion for medical reasons is too many (we learned to agree to disagree on many things early on).

Sometimes a protest vote is your best option. Personally, the idea of McCain dying in office early and leaving Palin in charge scares the crap out of me! I don't trust her any more than I did Bush. I didn't vote for him either time and don't plan to invite him for dinner - he might walk off with the silver! Obama doesn't worry me as much, but I don't agree with everything he says he wants to do (or has done) and Joe Biden has become abit of a loose cannon.

You pick Howard the Duck, I pick Snoopy and Woodstock.

 

[Ave Maria]

Well, there is always the option of voting for a third party candidate although essentially that would be wasting your vote. Personally, I am happy with Obama and so will be voting for him this year. But then again, I have never not voted Democrat.

 

[HuntingMan]

but they have ran the worse campaign ever.

Couldnt agree more with that.
Ive run across folks who dont even know who Obama is running against

Palin was a terrible pick.

I think she was picked for the right reasons, I just dont know if she is bringing the ticket much in the way of respect. I see a lot of people, even republicans, who just cant take Palin seriously. Doesnt seem fair since she is a governer. If shed stop that silly wink that everyone is making fun of it would probably not hurt anything.

I guess I cant complain since Im throwing my vote away...