Eternal vs conditional security, or OSAS vs LOS

[FreeGrace2]

I said this:
"The necessity is in confession of sins: 1 Jn 1:9.
But only for those who want forgiveness. "

That verse was meant for unbelievers...Agnostics of the time.

Cannot be possible. Why not? Because John used the word 'fellowship' 4 times in 3 verses before he wrote v.9. How can any unbeliever have fellowship before they have a relationship?? Not possible.

Confession of sin is to restore fellowship. Just as confession of one's wrongs/faults to their spouse restores fellowship in that relationship.

Paul talked about not being able to control his sin in Romans 7 and gave the result of being a Christian in Romans 8:1.....no condemnation for what?.....the condemnation for sin.....he didn't deliberately sin....but none the less, he still acknowledges his sin.

And what Paul wrote in Romans is not in context with 1 John 1:9.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Sorry, that was 1 John 1:9 and though it was written to the church it was to believers but, this particular verse was to believers about unbelievers; what unbelievers need to do to be saved, in this case, Agnostics....research it!

But no one is saved by confession of sins. Please research that.

In 1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

As just previously noted, confession of sin restores fellowship with God.

Many people quote this verse as command to ask for forgiveness for each sin, which is impossible and, paramount to continued "works" in order to be saved......which it does not say!

This verse is not for getting saved. It's for saved people, who HAVE a relationship with God, to restore fellowship with God.

 

[ZacharyB]

Please dispense with the dramatics ...

Sorry, but I dispense dramatics all the time!

 

[Born Again2004]

This verse is not for getting saved. It's for saved people, who HAVE a relationship with God, to restore fellowship with God.

So, you fail to ask for forgiveness for each sin committed 24/7 or you fail to recognize a sin sometimes, what then?

 

[Born Again2004]

I've already explained to you that it's all about the attitude of the heart.
Meanwhile, you insist on being hung up with legalism!

I insist on no such thing, just the opposite, I am opposed those who are "hung-up" on legalism....I believe in salvation through grace alone and not the works of man!

 

[Born Again2004]

Confession of sin is to restore fellowship. Just as confession of one's wrongs

So, if you forget one sin 24/7 and you are out of fellowship with God or you forget to confess a sin, then what?

 

[FreeGrace2]

So, you fail to ask for forgiveness for each sin committed 24/7 or you fail to recognize a sin sometimes, what then?

The good news is that when we confess the sins we know about (the only ones we CAN confess) we are not only forgiven for those sins, but "cleansed (purified) from ALL ungodliness". Just as the verse says.

As we mature spiritually, we will become more sensitive to just how much sin we commit and will be better able to confess more and more sins. However, by confessing the sins we know about, we are cleansed from all ungodliness at the same time. Good news indeed!!

 

[ZacharyB]

I believe in salvation through grace alone and not the works of man!

Then, you will have to deal with many dozens of NT passages,
which warn believers of the possibility of losing their salvation.
Salvation is a process, which involves man's co-operation with God the Holy Spirit.
This is called the process of sanctification, which begins after one has been
positionally sanctified (set apart to be worked on by the Holy Spirit).

 

[FreeGrace2]

Then, you will have to deal with many dozens of NT passages,
which warn believers of the possibility of losing their salvation.

Yet, not ANY of those "many dozens" of passages even mentions salvation as what may be lost.

The biblical teaching of loss of rewards is quite clear.

Salvation is a process, which involves man's co-operation with God the Holy Spirit.

It is not. If that were true, then man is able to claim that he helped God to save him. That is nonsense.

Eph 2;8 and 9 totally refutes your claim.
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

We are saved by grace through faith
We are NOT saved of ourselves
Salvation is not as a result of works.

This is called the process of sanctification, which begins after one has been
positionally sanctified (set apart to be worked on by the Holy Spirit).

This is a different issue altogether. Sanctification is the process of spiritual growth. It cannot occur until AFTER one is saved.

I'll give a life example.

One cannot grow up physically until one is born physically. Pretty clear, huh.

Likewise, one cannot grow up spiritually until one is born AGAIN spiritually.

 

[ZacharyB]

Yet, not ANY of those "many dozens" of passages
even mentions salvation as what may be lost.

Members will just have to wait for a day or two to see very clearly just
how horrendously wrong (purposely or otherwise) you are about this!

I will be posting just a few of my favorite passages which destroy OSAS.
In a separate thread ... Again!

 

[Born Again2004]

And what Paul wrote in Romans is not in context with 1 John 1:9.

I will let the other commits go but, I couldn't pass this one up! You mean the same Paul that was struck down Blind by Jesus and then gave him sight to preach his word to the entire world, is out of context with another area of His word....you better think about that one for a while!

 

[Born Again2004]

Sorry, but I dispense dramatics all the time!

No offense but that sounds a bit prideful to me!

 

[Born Again2004]

The good news is that when we confess the sins we know about (the only ones we CAN confess) we are not only forgiven for those sins, but "cleansed (purified) from ALL ungodliness". Just as the verse says.

As we mature spiritually, we will become more sensitive to just how much sin we commit and will be better able to confess more and more sins. However, by confessing the sins we know about, we are cleansed from all ungodliness at the same time. Good news indeed!!

No disagreement...that is certainly good news, if you are bound by good works rather than a repentant heart which does not require perfection on your part which would be a requirement of God, if he was to count on your continued asking for forgiveness.

• I believe this is what the Bible says the gospel is:

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to youunless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day -in accordance with the Scriptures,

• It says nothing about continued asking for forgiveness.

 

[Born Again2004]

No disagreement...that is certainly good news, if you are bound by good works rather than a repentant heart which does not require perfection on your part which would be a requirement of God, if he was to count on your continued asking for forgiveness.

• I believe this is what the Bible says the gospel is:

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day -in accordance with the Scriptures,

• It says nothing about continued asking for forgiveness.

 

[Born Again2004]

Then, you will have to deal with many dozens of NT passages,
which warn believers of the possibility of losing their salvation

Maybe you can quote the verses that say specifically that one can lose there salvation!

 

[ZacharyB]

No offense but that sounds a bit prideful to me!

No offense ... but one who dispenses dramatics has nothing to be prideful about!

 

[ZacharyB]

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
It says nothing about continued asking for forgiveness.

Every passage cannot possibly contain all of the important spiritual Truths.

Thou must endeavor to consider all of the NT passages ...
in order to come up with the total package of spiritual Truth.
Some call it "connecting the dots".
Thou could consider buying that great and famous book:
"Connecting The Dots For Dummies".

 

[Born Again2004]

No offense ... but one who dispenses dramatics has nothing to be prideful about!

Perhaps...as long as it is not an indication of conceit!

 

[Born Again2004]

Every passage cannot possibly contain all of the important spiritual Truths.

Thou must endeavor to consider all of the NT passages ...
in order to come up with the total package of spiritual Truth.
Some call it "connecting the dots".
Thou could consider buying that great and famous book:
"Connecting The Dots For Dummies".

Thou soweth conceit!

 

[FreeGrace2]

I said this:
"Yet, not ANY of those "many dozens" of passages
even mentions salvation as what may be lost."

Members will just have to wait for a day or two to see very clearly just
how horrendously wrong (purposely or otherwise) you are about this!

I will be posting just a few of my favorite passages which destroy OSAS.
In a separate thread ... Again!

Can't wait. But of course, LOS was "destroyed" by the OP of this very thread!!

Rather than just trot out one's favorite verses, why not address the passages in the OP and explain exactly what they DO teach, since your view is that they do not teach OSAS.

It seems no one from the LOS side bothers providing any explanation of what those verses teach. As if they cannot explain them, so they just ignore them.

The whole purpose of the OP was to have those who disagree with eternal security explain to me what those passages are teaching.

It is not acceptable for those who disagree to just ignore verses they cannot explain. They DO teach something; so what, exactly?