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Oh! I thought what I said reinforced eternal security and therefore was in the spirit of the thread. I emphasised the fact that we are righteous and still sinners at the same time, and therefore our shortcoming and failure do not undermine our eternal security.
"There is no condemnation to those who are in Jesus Christ, because the law of the Spirit of life has set up free from the law of sin and death" (Romans 8:1-2).
"Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life" (John 5:24). And there is no going back for any reason, even our own struggles with sin!
(By the way, I trust that you are not thinking I am Arminian because of my Pentecostal ID. I am actually am elder of the Presbyterian Church of NZ and decidedly Puritan Calvinist! Before that I spent 8 years of my life in Baptist churches, 4 of them as a deacon, before I moved to Auckland and wanted to go to a church that was just walking distance from home.)
If the gift of eternal life has been given on the basis of our faith alone in Christ, apart from anything we can do, positively or negatively, then if it can be taken away again for any reason, it wouldn't be eternal.
Oh. My mistake. I thought you believed in eternal security. That's where we differ. I won't trouble you any further.What I'm thinking is you're a pain in the neck.
So you enter into the thread with this OP:
Salvation can be lost. The post you claim ''reinforced'' eternal security had no scripture attached to it,so that wasn't helpful.
Are we done yet?
There are several meanings of "eternal" or "forever" in the TORAH, PROPHETS, PSALMS and NEW TESTAMENT.
It apparently , (in English), does not necessarily mean without end. That is, the original language did not mean without end ..... but it was translated into English as "eternal" or "forever" without noting that it does not mean without end.
If someone gave me for free a lifetime fishing license, and I tore it up, destroyed it, then I no longer have it.
If I tore up my fishing licence when I had one, that would be the unforgivable sin!There are several meanings of "eternal" or "forever" in the TORAH, PROPHETS, PSALMS and NEW TESTAMENT.
It apparently , (in English), does not necessarily mean without end. That is, the original language did not mean without end ..... but it was translated into English as "eternal" or "forever" without noting that it does not mean without end.
If someone gave me for free a lifetime fishing license, and I tore it up, destroyed it, then I no longer have it.
Why curious?
I do not remember if I read the OP or not, why ?
Howdy Daniel!
John alone has so many passages that talk about eternal security, also known as the Perseverance of the Saints. Here are a few.
"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.” - John 10:27-30
"All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day." - John 6:37-39
"I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours...I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one..." - John 17:9, 15
Hebrews 13:5
Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
John 10:28 King James Version (KJV)
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
John 10:29 King James Version (KJV)
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
1 John 5:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Colossians 3:3-4 King James Version (KJV)
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
Romans 8:29-39 King James Version (KJV)
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Ephesians 1:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day (John 6:39)
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand (John 10:29)
For God's gifts and his call are irrevocable (Romans 11:29)
"Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life." (John 5:24)
I thought . . .
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