Eternal Security

[Daniel C]

*Baptist Forum - Rules Apply*




I just wanted to start a thread listing some Bible verses that support eternal security. This thread is not for debate,just listing verses for eternal security. Thank you.

Feel free to add some posts if you believe salvation cannot be lost after the free eternal gift of God has been received by believing on Christs life,death burial and resurrection and trusting him as your saviour.

 

[Daniel C]

This is God the fathers promise to David. God has never forsaken his people,the old times or new.

Psalm 89
My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.
His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.
If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;
If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;
Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.
Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail.
My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.

 

[nolidad]

Hebrews 13:5
Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

John 10:28 King James Version (KJV)
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
John 10:29 King James Version (KJV)
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

1 John 5:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Colossians 3:3-4 King James Version (KJV)
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Romans 8:29-39 King James Version (KJV)
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Ephesians 1:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

 

[lismore]

And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day (John 6:39)

My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand (John 10:29)

For God's gifts and his call are irrevocable (Romans 11:29)

"Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life." (John 5:24)

 

[Jonaitis]

*Baptist Forum - Rules Apply*

I just wanted to start a thread listing some Bible verses that support eternal security. This thread is not for debate,just listing verses for eternal security. Thank you.

Feel free to add some posts if you believe salvation cannot be lost after the free eternal gift of God has been received by believing on Christs life,death burial and resection and trusting him as your saviour.

Howdy Daniel!

John alone has so many passages that talk about eternal security, also known as the Perseverance of the Saints. Here are a few.

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.” - John 10:27-30

"All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day." - John 6:37-39

"I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours...I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one..." - John 17:9, 15

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

If the gift of eternal life has been given on the basis of our faith alone in Christ, apart from anything we can do, positively or negatively, then if it can be taken away again for any reason, it wouldn't be eternal.

 

[Daniel C]

Romans 8:1

''There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.''

 

[Daniel C]

Psalm 37:28-29

''For the Lord loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.
The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.''

 

[now faith]

If the gift of eternal life has been given on the basis of our faith alone in Christ, apart from anything we can do, positively or negatively, then if it can be taken away again for any reason, it wouldn't be eternal.

if you had a watch that would last forever that I had given you, could you throw it in the ocean and walk away?

let's say nothing in heaven or earth can remove you from God's love, does God stop loving His children who are in Hell?
We cannot earn Salvation by sanctification ,or works.
We are saved by Grace through Faith, in Christ.
So if there was a way to lose Salvation, would you think it would be, by Christ blotting our name from the Lambs Book of Life?
Could we soil our garments this Much?
What is the promise for those who take the Mark?
What is the promise for those who endure till the end?

To me it is not to worry about, yet God's Word is more specific on falling away, than it is on a unconditional promise of eternal security.
Hebrews makes a very clear point, yet Revelation are the Words of Christ.
I know you know the text my Friend,I will give chapter and verse when not on a I pad...
God Bless

 

[now faith]

This Passage tells us our name can be removed from the Lambs Book of Life.
To blot out logicaly refers to it being in the Book in the first place.

Revelation 3: 3. Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. 4. Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. 5. He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

if you had a watch that would last forever that I had given you, could you throw it in the ocean and walk away?

let's say nothing in heaven or earth can remove you from God's love, does God stop loving His children who are in Hell?
We cannot earn Salvation by sanctification ,or works.
We are saved by Grace through Faith, in Christ.
So if there was a way to lose Salvation, would you think it would be, by Christ blotting our name from the Lambs Book of Life?
Could we soil our garments this Much?
What is the promise for those who take the Mark?
What is the promise for those who endure till the end?

To me it is not to worry about, yet God's Word is more specific on falling away, than it is on a unconditional promise of eternal security.
Hebrews makes a very clear point, yet Revelation are the Words of Christ.
I know you know the text my Friend,I will give chapter and verse when not on a I pad...
God Bless

I believe that a truly converted believer will never fall away, because he has a new heart that hungers after holiness, and has the Holy Spirit within him to urge and remind him to stay on the path of righteousness.

The Apostle John said that those who went away from Christ were never "one of us" in the first place, because if they were "one of us" they would never have fallen away from Christ.

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My position is that we are saved by grace through faith, not of ourselves, but it is the gift of God. Not of works lest any should boast in them. God does not take His gift away again, because the Scripture says that the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Also, genuine conversion is a work of the Holy Spirit that totally transforms a person and they become a whole new creature, with a new heart and spirit, and such a person will never fall away but will always hunger after righteousness and make holiness the major goal in his life, although he will never reach perfection until he gets to glory and the flesh body of death is gone and he gets a new glorified, sinless body.

Therefore, conversion involves the baptism with the Spirit, which brings that total transformation, and is the one-time entrance into the Christian life. Then the Christian has to walk the road of holiness toward sanctification, and grows in grace and progressive holiness day by day.

Genuine conversion to Christ is not an easy process. It involves a desperate seeking of God for mercy and grace, with the sense that he has to flee from the wrath to come on him if he stays in the same state he is in. He wrestles with God and will not let Him go until He blesses him with the baptism with the Spirit and conversion, and then continues seeking God with all his heart until he gains assurance of it. A believer who goes through that difficult and demanding process to gain true conversion to Christ, will never fall, because his greatest desire all his life will be to walk with Christ in the Spirit, and any idea of falling away back into sin will give him intense fear, because he fears God, and his worst nightmare is to let God down and bring the Name of Jesus into disrepute before the unconverted who will mock him and the Lord because he turned back into the world.

 

[Daniel C]

Obviously Oscarr didn't bother to read the OP before he came into my thread to preach:


''I just wanted to start a thread listing some Bible verses that support eternal security. This thread is not for debate,just listing verses for eternal security. Thank you.

Feel free to add some posts if you believe salvation cannot be lost after the free eternal gift of God has been received by believing on Christs life,death burial and resurrection and trusting him as your saviour.''


I did ask politely that this thread was not for debate,Oscarr.

Just a little thread for putting together some verses away from the arguing. Thanks,Oscarr.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Obviously Oscarr didn't bother to read the OP before he came into my thread to preach:


''I just wanted to start a thread listing some Bible verses that support eternal security. This thread is not for debate,just listing verses for eternal security. Thank you.

Feel free to add some posts if you believe salvation cannot be lost after the free eternal gift of God has been received by believing on Christs life,death burial and resurrection and trusting him as your saviour.''


I did ask politely that this thread was not for debate,Oscarr.

Just a little thread for putting together some verses away from the arguing. Thanks,Oscarr.

All I was doing was to politely answer the guy's question, by giving the basics of the gospel.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I take your point, and edited out my "debatable" comments, and left my direct answer to his question.

 

[Daniel C]

John 10:28

(Jesus said)
''And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.''

 

[Daniel C]

We cannot sin ourselves out of salvation. As the believers sin increases,so does the Grace of God for the saved:

Romans 5:20-21

20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Praise the Lord!

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

We cannot sin ourselves out of salvation. As the believers sin increases,so does the Grace of God for the saved:

Romans 5:20-21

20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Praise the Lord!

I heard something very interesting, especially in the light of those on the forum who are demanding that we follow the commands of Christ in order to maintain our salvation:

"God will command us to do only what the Holy Spirit will do in and through us". This means that He does not command us to do what we cannot do without the power of the Holy Spirit in us to achieve it. This means that there is no command for us to be sinless in order to maintain our salvation, because it is an impossibility while we are still in this body of flesh. We will only be perfectly sinless when we get to meet the Lord in our glorified sinless body.

That thought gives me a lot of peace!

 

[now faith]

I heard something very interesting, especially in the light of those on the forum who are demanding that we follow the commands of Christ in order to maintain our salvation:

"God will command us to do only what the Holy Spirit will do in and through us". This means that He does not command us to do what we cannot do without the power of the Holy Spirit in us to achieve it. This means that there is no command for us to be sinless in order to maintain our salvation, because it is an impossibility while we are still in this body of flesh. We will only be perfectly sinless when we get to meet the Lord in our glorified sinless body.

That thought gives me a lot of peace!

Hebrews 6: 4. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5. And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6. If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

 

[Daniel C]

I heard something very interesting, especially in the light of those on the forum who are demanding that we follow the commands of Christ in order to maintain our salvation:

"God will command us to do only what the Holy Spirit will do in and through us". This means that He does not command us to do what we cannot do without the power of the Holy Spirit in us to achieve it. This means that there is no command for us to be sinless in order to maintain our salvation, because it is an impossibility while we are still in this body of flesh. We will only be perfectly sinless when we get to meet the Lord in our glorified sinless body.

That thought gives me a lot of peace!

Ok,we may as well talk about this as you seem determined to derail my thread.

To be honest I don't care what your thoughts are Oscarr and they are unwanted in this thread. You are just spamming at this point after being told this thread is for eternal security and posting non-eterenal security content.

Are you aware this thread is in the Baptist forum Oscarr? The Baptist forum has rules and you are not allowed to post works salvation in here:


The Baptist Community:
A forum for all Baptists to discuss and fellowship together.

A few things to know about what Baptists believe:

• The Believers Baptism (credo baptism) - We believe that baptism should be by immersion and that it is an outward symbol of of an inward change that has already occurred.
• The Priesthood of the believer - Our High Priest is Jesus Christ, our sole Mediator between man and God. Each believer can go to the throne of God via prayer for grace and mercy.
• The 66 Books comprising the Scriptures are given by the verbal inspiration of God, and as such are the only and all sufficient, authoritative rule of faith. Given their divine origins, the Scriptures are without error as originally given.
• The Lords Supper is an ordinance (one of two ordinances), done in remembrance of the sacrifice Jesus Christ made for us at the cross.
• Salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. While both free will and deterministic understandings of the gospel are espoused by various Baptists, human works play no part in a person's redemption.

Statement of Purpose - Baptist Statement of Faith


I'm not interested in any idea of sinlessness or merit or works and it's not allowed here. The reason why I started posting in the Baptist forum is to filter out all the works salvation bunk from my conversations.

Hope this helped.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Ok,we may as well talk about this as you seem determined to derail my thread.

To be honest I don't care what your thoughts are Oscarr and they are unwanted in this thread. You are just spamming at this point after being told this thread is for eternal security and posting non-eterenal security content.

Are you aware this thread is in the Baptist forum Oscarr? The Baptist forum has rules and you are not allowed to post works salvation in here:


The Baptist Community:
A forum for all Baptists to discuss and fellowship together.

A few things to know about what Baptists believe:

• The Believers Baptism (credo baptism) - We believe that baptism should be by immersion and that it is an outward symbol of of an inward change that has already occurred.
• The Priesthood of the believer - Our High Priest is Jesus Christ, our sole Mediator between man and God. Each believer can go to the throne of God via prayer for grace and mercy.
• The 66 Books comprising the Scriptures are given by the verbal inspiration of God, and as such are the only and all sufficient, authoritative rule of faith. Given their divine origins, the Scriptures are without error as originally given.
• The Lords Supper is an ordinance (one of two ordinances), done in remembrance of the sacrifice Jesus Christ made for us at the cross.
• Salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. While both free will and deterministic understandings of the gospel are espoused by various Baptists, human works play no part in a person's redemption.

Statement of Purpose - Baptist Statement of Faith


I'm not interested in any idea of sinlessness or merit or works and it's not allowed here. The reason why I started posting in the Baptist forum is to filter out all the works salvation bunk from my conversations.

Hope this helped.

Oh! I thought what I said reinforced eternal security and therefore was in the spirit of the thread. I emphasised the fact that we are righteous and still sinners at the same time, and therefore our shortcoming and failure do not undermine our eternal security.

"There is no condemnation to those who are in Jesus Christ, because the law of the Spirit of life has set up free from the law of sin and death" (Romans 8:1-2).

"Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life" (John 5:24). And there is no going back for any reason, even our own struggles with sin!

(By the way, I trust that you are not thinking I am Arminian because of my Pentecostal ID. I am actually am elder of the Presbyterian Church of NZ and decidedly Puritan Calvinist! Before that I spent 8 years of my life in Baptist churches, 4 of them as a deacon, before I moved to Auckland and wanted to go to a church that was just walking distance from home.)