Eternal punishment

[Xeno.of.athens]

Ask yourself, what crime - humanly speaking - could a human being commit that would warrant eternal punishment involving the discomfort of fire and torments of some kind?

 

[IoanC]

There is no crime that could be greater than God's ability to forgive and repair. That's how Powerful and Glorious God is.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Ask yourself, what crime - humanly speaking - could a human being commit that would warrant eternal punishment involving the discomfort of fire and torments of some kind?

Well according to Jesus Christ of Nazareth the rich man walked by Lazarus everyday with no desire to help him. This resulted in separation from God.
Blessings.

Luke 16:19–31

 

[d taylor]

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Amazing how many probably 85% to 90% of people in the christian religion. Focus on sin as the reason a person ends up in the lake of fire. Even in light of crystal clear verses that state Jesus has taken away the sin of the whole world for unbelievers and believers.

Sin is not the reason a person ends up in the lake of fire!

 

[Maria Billingsley]

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Amazing how many probably 85% to 90% of people in the christian religion. Focus on sin as the reason a person ends up in the lake of fire. Even in light of crystal clear verses that state Jesus has taken away the sin of the whole world for unbelievers and believers.

Sin is not the reason a person ends up in the lake of fire!

Unbelief gets one there and that is the unforgivable sin. Sinning until death.
Blessings.

 

[d taylor]

Unbelief gets one there and that is the unforgivable sin. Sinning until death.
Blessings.

Either Jesus perfectly took away every sin ever committed by man. or He took away no sins at all.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Either Jesus perfectly took away every sin ever committed by man. or He took away no sins at all.

Universalism?

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Well according to Jesus Christ of Nazareth the rich man walked by Lazarus everyday with no desire to help him. This resulted in separation from God.
Blessings.

Luke 16:19–31

Would you punish the rich man with eternal fire? I was asking for human judgement of human crimes.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Either Jesus perfectly took away every sin ever committed by man. or He took away no sins at all.

Or he took away all the sins of those alone, to whom he chose to show mercy.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Ask yourself, what crime - humanly speaking - could a human being commit that would warrant eternal punishment involving the discomfort of fire and torments of some kind?

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Amazing how many probably 85% to 90% of people in the christian religion. Focus on sin as the reason a person ends up in the lake of fire. Even in light of crystal clear verses that state Jesus has taken away the sin of the whole world for unbelievers and believers.

Sin is not the reason a person ends up in the lake of fire!

Sin is primarily, and that by an infinite degree, against God. And the least significant sin is 'cosmic treason'.

"Against you only have I sinned." —King David (said to God)

 

[d taylor]

Universalism?

Not even close to universalism, because the reason a person ends up in the lake of fire is they never received the life of God

 

[d taylor]

Or he took away all the sins of those alone, to whom he chose to show mercy.

Nope The Bible is clear Jesus has taken away all sin, unbelievers and believers.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Not even close to universalism, because the reason a person ends up in the lake of fire is they never received the life of God

So we are in agreement, no belief,no Spirit, therefore, no Kingdom of God.
Blessings.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Would you punish the rich man with eternal fire? I was asking for human judgement of human crimes.

I am satisfied with a life sentence in prison for heinous crimes. Gives one a chance to repent.
Blessings

 

[d taylor]

So we are in agreement, no belief,no Spirit, therefore, no Kingdom of God.
Blessings.

I do not word it that way no belief in Jesus, no receiving of God's free gift of Eternal Life.

The Sin of Unbelief

 

[BobRyan]

Ask yourself, what crime - humanly speaking - could a human being commit that would warrant eternal punishment involving the discomfort of fire and torments of some kind?

nothing that man can do -- merits infinite torture.

Man can be punished "according to his deeds" -- according to the Bible.

Some people suppose that there will be "infinite torture for all" the lost in the future -- others believe the Luke 12 text that there are degrees of punishment where some suffer a lot and others little.

Luke 12: 46 the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers. 47 And that slave who knew his master’s will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes, 48 but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more.

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Some believe that body and soul will be tortured in fiery hell but never "Destroyed" so that infinite torture can be had by all the lost

Others believe that after some time of torment "God will destroy both body and soul in fiery hell"

Matt 10:28 Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

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Some believe that Lucifer fell from heaven and became known by the name "Satan" - and that as Lucifer he was "a covering cherub" standing at the throne of God as you see the cherubs depicted on the cover of the Ark of the Covenant in the OT.

Ezek 28
13 “You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The ruby, the topaz and the diamond;
The beryl, the onyx and the jasper;
The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald;
And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets,
Was in you.
On the day that you were created
They were prepared.
14 “You were the anointed cherub who covers,
And I placed you there.
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 “You were blameless in your ways
From the day you were created
Until unrighteousness was found in you.
16 “By the abundance of your trade
You were internally filled with violence,
And you sinned;
Therefore I have cast you as profane
From the mountain of God.
And I have destroyed you, O covering cherub,
From the midst of the stones of fire.
17 “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom by reason of your splendor.
I cast you to the ground;
I put you before kings,
That they may see you.
18 “By the multitude of your iniquities,
In the unrighteousness of your trade
You profaned your sanctuaries.
Therefore I have brought fire from the midst of you;
It has consumed you,
And I have turned you to ashes on the earth
In the eyes of all who see you.
19 “All who know you among the peoples
Are appalled at you;
You have become terrified
And you will cease to be forever.”’”

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Some believe that the lake of fire judgment "devours/consumes" the wicked lost

Rev 20:9 And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

 

[BobRyan]

Nope The Bible is clear Jesus has taken away all sin, unbelievers and believers.

In Matt 7 Jesus says "the many" perish and only "the few" get to eternal life.
In Rev 20 all the lost wicked perish.
In 2 Thess 1:5-8 all the lost perish

 

[BobRyan]

There is no crime that could be greater than God's ability to forgive and repair. That's how Powerful and Glorious God is.

I don't see how that addresses the question in the OP

 

[BobRyan]

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Amazing how many probably 85% to 90% of people in the christian religion. Focus on sin as the reason a person ends up in the lake of fire.

Rom 6:23 "the wages of sin is death" - not "eternal life'
Rom 2:4-16 makes it very clear that some get life and others get wrath and destruction.
Rev 20 makes it clear that the lost are judged according to their deeds - then tossed into the lake of fire.

 

[d taylor]

In Matt 7 Jesus says "the many" perish and only "the few" get to eternal life.
In Rev 20 all the lost wicked perish.
In 2 Thess 1:5-8 all the lost perish

Looks like you do not understand what causes a person to end up going to the lake of fire. It sure is not sin.