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Peter was Jesus closest friend and Peter said that one day is as 1000 years and 1000 years is as one day - the notion that you can decide for yourself when the 1000 years begins and ends is in total disagreement with scripture , but then so is the amil doctrine , .....pretrib, mid trib, and post trib are all premil
Justinian built the Hagia Sophia right around 500 AD, right at the start of the 7th "Sabbath" Millennium after Creation (5500 BC per LXX)Thanks.
You did, however, neglect to include the final two sentences of Jerome's commentary regarding Apollinarius:
"Moreover this same Apollinarius asserts that he conceived this idea about the proper dating from the fact that Africanus, (p. 549) the author of the Tempora [Chronology], whose explanation I have inserted above, affirms that the final week will occur at the end of the world. Yet, says Apollinarius, it is impossible that periods so linked together be wrenched apart, but rather the time-segments must all be joined together in conformity with Daniel's prophecy."
From other commentary by contemporary authors, it appears that Apollinarius' dating and methodology considered the 70 weeks to be contiguous, with the final week corresponding to the end of the world, at a date very approximately two centuries in the future from when he wrote. There is thus some similarity to the methodologies of Irenaeus and Hippolytus.
We know that the 70 week end dates postulated by all of these brethren passed uneventfully.
2Ti 4:1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
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Yes, the kingdom arrived with JesusKeep in mind, scripture mentions only two worlds. This present evil world. And the world to come. A physical Millennium does not fit in this present evil world because Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world. It doesn't fit in the world to come either. The kingdom is forever, not just 1000 years. And in the world to come everything is perfect without the sin and death the physical millenium has.
The truth is, the Kingdom arrived with Jesus in his first advent. It is spiritual, and centered in heaven where Jesus now sits on David's throne at the Father's right hand. And the resurrection on the last day is the restoration of Israel, those who accepted Christ, where they live forever in the New Heavens and earth.
the Millennium describes a Christian-dominated society in which Christ reigns socially supreme through the ChurchAs to those verb tenses in relation to reigning with Christ a thousand years, they tend to tell me that they got over the beast in the past, and because they did, they then are rewarded with reigning with Christ a thousand years. And since these would initially be physically dead, that reigning with Christ only makes sense if reigning with Christ on the earth. The only way that is possible at that point, Christ eventually returns, thus the 2nd coming, which in turn leads to the first resurrection, where they then reign with Christ on the earth a thousand years. Otherwise that places their reigning with Him a thousand years in heaven instead, which makes no logical nor Scriptural sense.
In the OT it was the people on earth saying they want a King on earth , God told them that He is their King and they did not needthe Millennium describes a Christian-dominated society in which Christ reigns socially supreme through the Church
the Saints could then rule on thrones in heaven with Christ in heaven also
if 1 day = 1000 yearsStill no answer to my questions.....
LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
So what is your view of the hour and half hour?
And is the "rapture" showing in Revelation?..........
Revelation 8:1
When He opened the seventh seal,
and became a hush/silence/sigh<4602> in the Heaven for about half an hour.
Revelation 18:19
“They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and wailing, and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great City, in which all who had ships on the sea became rich by Her wealth!
For in one hour She is made desolate<2049>.'
Do you expect to see any red dragons floating around in outer space anytime soon? Or any of the other symbols, green horses, huge serpents, etc.?Well you can believe that if you want to , but what you choose to ignore is , it is not all symbols ,
Angels are warriors as well and just one angel can kill 180,000 people by himself , angels are far more than just messengers -they do have the power to open the abyss and let demons out and also the power to cast satan into the abyss empowered by Jesus command .
The spiritual realm IS the eternal realm , they are the same , and they do have physical characteristics and physical bodies , people that choose to believe that the eternal realm/spiritual is not physical just do not understand what the Holy Bible has taught ,
ALL scripture fits together , for point and purpose , humankind does not see or truly experience the eternal realm in the corruptible body , but when the body is changed into an incorruptible body , it then is a physical body that can experience the eternal physical realm ,
amil fails to understand this simple matter and is dependent on symbolizing everything - scripture tells us in several ways that satan is a roaming the earth deceiving people everyday - to this very day there has never been a day when satan cannot deceive people , and the only person that has the power to lock satan in prison is God , hence that when Jesus physically returns he then at that time casts as in grabs hold of satan and casts satan into prison -
your total dependency of allegorizing and symbolizing is where your ideas fail , When Jesus said His kingdom is not of this world , He is saying that when he returns He brings His Kingdom to this earth and then His Kingdom will be in this world, just as when Jesus said that you are not of this world but set apart from this world and sanctified and are in this world but not of this world.
satan will be imprisoned when Jesus returns to this world and that while Jesus reigns this world people will experience what it is like to live under a righteous King - then when satan is loosed people that have not the eternal glorified body and who can be deceived will be tempted by satan for that short time that he is loosed from prison - as the scripture clearly says he will go out to deceive who he can , just like when satan deceived 1/3 of the angels in heaven that did experience rule under a righteous King , then satan and those he he has deceived are cast into the lake of fire .
Peter was Jesus closest friend and Peter said that one day is as 1000 years and 1000 years is as one day - the notion that you can decide for yourself when the 1000 years begins and ends is in total disagreement with scripture , but then so is the amil doctrine , .....pretrib, mid trib, and post trib are all premil
That nonsense is expected of you and those that seek to avoid common sense - amils go to the extreme ends of nonsense showing no interest in logical sensibility , while you choose to symbolize everything , in a failed attempt to rationalize going to the xtreme to avoid going to the rational sensibility in recognizing where it is appropriate and when it is nonsensicalDo you expect to see any red dragons floating around in outer space anytime soon? Or any of the other symbols, green horses, huge serpents, etc.?
The problem with turning the 1000 years into an exact measure of time, instead of seeing it as a symbol of a complete, predetermined measure of time, is that people know what only the Father knows. The time of the end. And the pre-tribbers say the end happens 1007 years from the rapture.
Here's how I view the symbols of Rev. 20:
The angel = Greek for messenger
the chain = the message (gospel) Satan is a liar and the gospel sent to all nations keeps him from deceiving them.
the 1000 years = A complete and perfect allotment of time. The New Covenant era until the last of the elect (names written in the book of life) come in from among the nations.
Satan loosed = the Post Christian era (we now live in) the gospel message falls on deaf ears, the nations deceived and the world assails the Church from all quarters ushering in the end.
if 1 day = 1000 years
and 1 day = 24 hours
then 1 hour = 50 years
the delay from Crucifixion to Titus & Vespasian was 40 years,
about a Biblical hour
Being Partial Preterist and past Amill [so far], I would say it is about 2000yrs overdue.........from a partial preterist perspective,......... If mikros chronos <= 500 years...
If so, Earth is already (slightly) "over due"
Yep agreed , and amil will never admit it because to admit is to admit that amil doctrine is not validIf the following is literally true-----that one day is as 24 hours, and 24 hours as one day---then so must the following be literally true, the former being from our perspective, the latter being from God's perspective----that one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
If one wants to argue the latter is not literally true, then so must they argue the former isn't literally true either. Per the former, one day doesn't equal 48 hours, nor 72 hours, so on and so on. It equals 24 hours. In the same way, a day to the Lord doesn't equal 2000 years, nor 3000 years, so on and so on, the text plainly indicates it is a thousand years. A thousand years and 2000 years are not the same amount of years. A 5th grader would likely know that.
DavidPT said: ↑
If the following is literally true-----that one day is as 24 hours, and 24 hours as one day---then so must the following be literally true, the former being from our perspective, the latter being from God's perspective----that one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
If one wants to argue the latter is not literally true, then so must they argue the former isn't literally true either. Per the former, one day doesn't equal 48 hours, nor 72 hours, so on and so on. It equals 24 hours. In the same way, a day to the Lord doesn't equal 2000 years, nor 3000 years, so on and so on, the text plainly indicates it is a thousand years. A thousand years and 2000 years are not the same amount of years. A 5th grader would likely know that.
I tend to agree.Yep agreed , and amil will never admit it because to admit is to admit that amil doctrine is not valid
I am interested in the idea of Partial Preterism being combined with Amillennialism.
You still only accept scripture that you prefer and not all of scripture resulting in cherry picking what you like and rejecting what you do not like
Agreed , but there are those that believe that Jesus is not really coming physically to earth , it would seem it be hard for them to truly be ready for something they don't believe will really happenWhat comes to mind for me is that Jesus Himself said that no one knows the time or the day but the Father, and that in light of this, that we are to be "ready", always.
It is also written that He will come as a "thief in the night".
Agreed , but there are those that believe that Jesus is not really coming physically to earth , it would seem it be hard for them to truly be ready for something they don't believe will really happen
You have turned the above into an art-form.
Why don't you explain how your doctrine conforms with 2 Timothy 4:1, and Revelation 11:18, instead of finding fault with other members of this forum?
We await your explanation of those texts...
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Like on a white horse?Agreed , but there are those that believe that Jesus is not really coming physically to earth , it would seem it be hard for them to truly be ready for something they don't believe will really happen
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