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The Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament = and; also, even; together with; that is; or; even so; as well as, both... and; but; then; and thenHow do you get verse 27 from three sentences?
The translation (?) you are using has altered the meaning of the text.
The KJV says "and" and your version says "but" - which convey two different meanings.
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If you want to recreate the nations that no longer exist. Replace Christ's atonement with cattle sacrifices, and have a try at packing billions into Jerusalem once a year.....go for it. But there is no way you can Physically fulfill the ancient prophecies without the nations, the primitive technology and conditions they spoke of.
This is true, but not possible in the Dispensational or Premillennial version of the Millennium. Since flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom, you end up with resurrected saints in glorified bodies being seduced by satan and attacking the rest of the glorified saints towards the end of the 1000 years.Doesn't take a lot of brain power to realize Rev.20 with the nations coming upon the "camp of the saints" at the end of the "thousand years" means those nations had to have existed 'during' that "thousand years" also.
“He [Jesus] will confirm a covenant [the New Covenant] with many for one week. But in the middle of that [70th] week he will bring sacrifices and offerings to a halt [offering himself as the atonement for sin, thereby abolishing the Old Covenant]. On the wing of abominations will come one who destroys, [Titus] until the decreed end is poured out [Rome's fall] on the one who destroys.”” (Daniel 9:27)
You are forcing an interpretation on to the verse without warrant.Verse 27 is SOLELY ONLY in regards to the 70th week. The 70th week only involves 7 years, yet this translation of yours inserts a gap here of at least 40 years. There is no gap in the 70th week itself. But there is a gap though. It belongs between the 69th and 70th week, and not in the 70th week instead like your translation has it.
You are forcing an interpretation on to the verse without warrant.
“Seventy weeks are decreed upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy.” (Daniel 9:24)
All completed as planned.
But, since Messiah was to be cut off after the 62 weeks, which were after the seven weeks, and Titus did not come within 3-1/2 more years, or even seven more years. So Titus did not come within the specified 70 weeks, and thus, this interpretation simply cannot be forced into the 70 weeks of the prophecy.“He [Jesus] will confirm a covenant [the New Covenant] with many for one week. But in the middle of that [70th] week he will bring sacrifices and offerings to a halt [offering himself as the atonement for sin, thereby abolishing the Old Covenant]. On the wing of abominations will come one who destroys, [Titus] until the decreed end is poured out [Rome's fall] on the one who destroys.”” (Daniel 9:27)
Did you ever consider this? Circumcision made one a covenant member of Abraham's seed. At the time over 300 servants became Abraham's covenant seed through circumcision when only Ishmael was his blood relative.What you did have correct in that other post though----and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate----that this is meaning Daniel 9:26. Exactly. Therefore verse 27 is expanding further on this part in verse 26----and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined---therefore placing that part in verse 26 being fulfilled during the 70th week itself, and not outside the 70 weeks like many are wrongly concluding.
and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease----which then leads to this---and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined---which in turn is meaning this---and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate
All of the Messianic fulfillments happened in the 70th week.But, since Messiah was to be cut off after the 62 weeks, which were after the seven weeks, and Titus did not come within 3-1/2 more years, or even seven more years. So Titus did not come within the specified 70 weeks, and thus, this interpretation simply cannot be forced into the 70 weeks of the prophecy.
Did you ever consider this? Circumcision made one a covenant member of Abraham's seed. At the time over 300 servants became Abraham's covenant seed through circumcision when only Ishmael was his blood relative.
And God told Abraham, any not circumcised was to be cut off. This meant they were not his covenant seed.
So when Jesus abolished circumcision on the cross, he broke off all physical unbelieving members of Israel. This left only the believers in Christ who like Abraham had circumcised hearts.
So all of your theories and prophetic interpretations lead nowhere. The Only biblical Israel today is Christendom. And the State of Israel is nothing more than the gentiles, calling themselves Jews, who trample down Jerusalem until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled.
This is true, but not possible in the Dispensational or Premillennial version of the Millennium. Since flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom, you end up with resurrected saints in glorified bodies being seduced by satan and attacking the rest of the glorified saints towards the end of the 1000 years.
All of the Messianic fulfillments happened in the 70th week.
Keep in mind that Jesus abolished the sacrifices on the cross but they continued as an empty form until 70 AD. And Antichrist (Nero and later the Papacy) was already present in John's' day. But you should not turn Jesus into Antichrist in Daniel 9 as you attempt to do here.That assuming this part---and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease---is meaning in regards to Christ.
But what if it is meaning in regards to the following instead?
Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
Imagine that, in this same context this speaks of taking away the daily, and concerns abominations as well, and is most def not meaning Christ here.
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Imagine that, in this same context this, too, speaks of taking away the daily, and concerns abominations as well. Why would anybody chalk that up as only coincidental, thus no relation here?
This is true, but not possible in the Dispensational or Premillennial version of the Millennium. Since flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom, you end up with resurrected saints in glorified bodies being seduced by satan and attacking the rest of the glorified saints towards the end of the 1000 years.
Imagine that, in this same context this, too, speaks of taking away the daily, and concerns abominations as well. Why would anybody chalk that up as only coincidental, thus no relation here?
You are twisting the prophecy to fit what you wish it aid, instead of what it actually said.All of the Messianic fulfillments happened in the 70th week.
“To the period of four hundred and ninety years the wicked deeds are to be confined as well as all the crimes which shall ensue from those deeds. After these shall come the times of blessing, and the world is to be reconciled unto God at the advent of Christ, His Son. For from the coming forth of the Word, when Christ was born of the Virgin Mary, to the forty-ninth year, that is, the end of the seven weeks, [God] waited for Israel to repent. Thereafter, indeed, from the eighth year of Claudius Caesar [i.e., 48 A.D.] onward, the Romans took up arms against the Jews. For it was in His thirtieth year, according to the Evangelist Luke, that the Lord incarnate began His preaching of the Gospel (Luke 1) [sic!]. According to the Evangelist John (John 2 and 11), Christ completed two years over a period of three passovers. The years of Tiberius' reign from that point onward are to be reckoned at six; then there were the four years of the reign of Gaius Caesar, surnamed Caligula, and eight more years in the reign of Claudius. This makes a total of forty-nine years, or the equivalent of seven weeks of years. But when four hundred thirty-four years shall have elapsed after that date, that is to say, the sixty-two weeks, then [i.e. in 482 A.D.] Jerusalem and the Temple shall be rebuilt during three and a half years within the final week, beginning with the advent of Elias, who according to the dictum of our Lord and Savior (Luke 1) [sic!] is going to come and turn back the hearts of the fathers towards their children. And then the Antichrist shall come, and according to the Apostle [reading apostolum for apostolorum] he is going to sit in the temple of God (II Thess. 2) and be slain by the breath of our Lord and Savior after he has waged war against the saints. And thus it shall come to pass that the middle of the week shall mark the confirmation of God's covenant with the saints, and the middle of the week in turn shall mark the issuing of the decree under the authority of Antichrist that no more sacrifices be offered. For the Antichrist shall set up the abomination of desolation, that is, an idol or statue of his own god, within the Temple. Then shall ensue the final devastation and the condemnation of the Jewish people, who after their rejection of Christ's truth shall embrace the lie of the Antichrist.” (Jerome’s translation of the comments of Apollinarius of Laodicea on the seventy weeks, as found in “Jerome’s Commentary on Daniel,” by Jerome, pp. 104-105, translated by Gleason L. Archer, Jr., pub. by Baker Book House, Grand Rapids, 1958.)
Jerome himself, who published this translation (into Latin,) declined to give his opinion on this passage, saying, “I realize that this question has been argued over in various ways by men of greatest learning, and that each of them has expressed his views according to the capacity of his own genius. And so, because it is unsafe to pass judgment upon the opinions of the great teachers of the Church and to set one above another, I shall simply repeat the view of each, and leave it to the reader's judgment as to whose explanation ought to be followed.” (pg. 95 in the volume cited.)
He then went on to summarize the views of many who commented on this, but omitting Irenaeus. In addition to the translation above, he summarized the views of Hippolytus (pp. 103-104). In addition, he summarized the views of Eusebius, (pp. 98-103) Clement of Alexandria, (pg. 105) Origen, (pp. 105-106) and Tertullian (pp. 106-108)., all of which interpreted the seventieth week to be already fulfilled. He also gave he views of “the Hebrews,” (pp. 108-110) and included what he claimed was a “verbatim” translation of the comments on the subject by Julius Africanus, who taught that the seventieth week was already fulfilled. But his comments are significant to this discussion because, like modern Dispensationalists, he taught the concept of calculating the seventy weeks on the basis of “Hebrew years.”
Thanks.
You did, however, neglect to include the final two sentences of Jerome's commentary regarding Apollinarius:
"Moreover this same Apollinarius asserts that he conceived this idea about the proper dating from the fact that Africanus, (p. 549) the author of the Tempora [Chronology], whose explanation I have inserted above, affirms that the final week will occur at the end of the world. Yet, says Apollinarius, it is impossible that periods so linked together be wrenched apart, but rather the time-segments must all be joined together in conformity with Daniel's prophecy."
From other commentary by contemporary authors, it appears that Apollinarius' dating and methodology considered the 70 weeks to be contiguous, with the final week corresponding to the end of the world, at a date very approximately two centuries in the future from when he wrote. There is thus some similarity to the methodologies of Irenaeus and Hippolytus.
We know that the 70 week end dates postulated by all of these brethren passed uneventfully.
Daniel's 70th week is about Christ, not antichrist. So in essence, all of what you believe calling Jesus the Antichrist is a lie.You are twisting the prophecy to fit what you wish it aid, instead of what it actually said.
The saints in Revelation 20 lose nothing. But your eschatology calls for them to be deceived by Satan and to attack the rest of the believers towards the end of the 1000 years. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom so you have no other choice, as misguided as it is.Who can literally inherit the kingdom of God once Christ has returned, and then lose that inheritance? Those that attack the city after the thousand years are living outside of the city meant here. They haven't inherited anything. Therefore, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom, does not apply to surviving mortals post the 2nd coming. If they had also inherited the kingdom of God, they would be living inside the city, and not outside the city instead, then eventually attacking the city. That really sounds like something one would do who had inherited the kingdom of God literally, once Christ has returned----not.
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