Escaping Society

[God's Fighter]

I've gone broke, my vehicle is broken down and there are no jobs. I am engaged to marry, I see no options. And yet the only thing that anguishes my heart is our culture debilitating christians, the change of the spiritual climate. Christians turn to fantasy and conspiracy and lend themselves over to false prophets and false doctrines. Fear mongering and sensationalism prevails over churches from each corner of the spectrum. The West is on the verge of collapse and an era is dying. My laments are my failures to make an impact, my failing to succeed in the battle. My own home has become a prison with just enough entertainment to keep my eyes averted. But no more can I live with these demons, with these heathenous spirits and these monuments to idolatry. I've done work to relieve the poverty in this area, and now my time to be poor has come. Even that I do not curse, but I feel it is now my time to leave my home. To live as a wanderer who owns nothing, to escape the soul devouring culture. To have nothing and to want nothing, my only possessions being my bible and journals. I long to live free of this plagued society and only with God. All the things that would have kept me here have been released. And if I marry and cannot provide I am worse than an unbeliever. All the heroes are dead and the Warriors of God are extinct.

 

[drjean]

((((God's Fighter)))) please stay in your home as long as you can...

You are succumbing to the weight of the world because that's at what you are looking... we all get down if we take our eyes off Jesus!

Refocus upon God's Word and Jesus Christ. Read the verses of love and caring... and worship and praise God.
We are told not to consider tomorrow, but that doesn't mean leave the home God has given you to wander aloof. You have enough for today, and that's with what we are to be content.

Be still and know that He is God. You may be in a period of flux and God is causing you to be patient (or to learn patience) before the next task He gives you.

And, you may be depressed because of seeing the downfall of this society, this world, and the sinfulness of it. We are only responsible for ourselves---unless we are married, and/or with children.

I suspect that is the core of your angst...the engagement. That's so much stress, and the questioning is understandable. Did you begin to feel overwhelmed upon engagement? If so, then have a long discussion and either dis-engage, or agree to put off the marriage for a while...a long while at this point. See if that lifts your spirits a bit.

How does your intended feel about life in general? There's no reason to go this alone, even if you remain just good friends, or just engaged for a while. Learning to share is an important part of marriage; learning to communicate is also. I doubt your intended wants you to wander the earth like a nomad.

 

[Living in the Light]

"It Is My Fate To Overcome By The Grace of God"

Maybe it would be good to start living by your own words above. I believe in practical solutions to problems. Please talk to a minister. Do you have a church? Start listing what you view as your obstacles and start defeating them, one by one. Start with the easiest. I'll be praying for you. Blessings!

 

[Daniel411]

I've gone broke, my vehicle is broken down and there are no jobs. I am engaged to marry, I see no options. And yet the only thing that anguishes my heart is our culture debilitating christians, the change of the spiritual climate. Christians turn to fantasy and conspiracy and lend themselves over to false prophets and false doctrines. Fear mongering and sensationalism prevails over churches from each corner of the spectrum. The West is on the verge of collapse and an era is dying. My laments are my failures to make an impact, my failing to succeed in the battle. My own home has become a prison with just enough entertainment to keep my eyes averted. But no more can I live with these demons, with these heathenous spirits and these monuments to idolatry. I've done work to relieve the poverty in this area, and now my time to be poor has come. Even that I do not curse, but I feel it is now my time to leave my home. To live as a wanderer who owns nothing, to escape the soul devouring culture. To have nothing and to want nothing, my only possessions being my bible and journals. I long to live free of this plagued society and only with God. All the things that would have kept me here have been released. And if I marry and cannot provide I am worse than an unbeliever. All the heroes are dead and the Warriors of God are extinct.

Brother I feel for you and you are in my Prayers for I also have lost everything. But I stayed strong in the Lord. Through Jesus we will overcome.
I had no work so I was able to study Gods letter to us even more. Yes I did lose my home and had to move, though I was married I could not provide. Two special needs boys and a wife stricken with bone degeneratiing disease

I prayed harder for I am a warrior for God, and there are plenty of us out there. I knew it was my test, for I was successful but yet it was shallow, and I was a prisoner of myself.
It has been three years since I have lost all, but I lost nothing as I found even Greater strength in God and he does provide.

Thanks be all to God we now own a home not a mortgage, I have no steady Job but God leads me to work just at the time it is needed, God is healing my wife and opening the eyes of my children, God leads me to friends who are warriors not hypocrites, God has guided me to a place where there is not so much desolation and from here I grow stronger each day. Now as I wake every morning and pray in the name of Jesus I know I am walking in this world of sin with the strength of the our Father, Son and Holy Spirit leading, guiding, watching over me.

When I feel Satan is winning I read of Job who refused to allow Satan to destroy him. God will provide everything you need are you willing believe that?

1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. Job 1:1 (KJV)

6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. Job 1:6-7 (KJV)

9 Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? Job 1:9 (KJV)

You are in my prayers

 

[riverhooks]

Misery loves Company come and join the misery. No thanks. I can remember sleeping in cars and under cardboard in the rain and under bridges but I had my Bible . You have yours. Study to show yourself approved to God a workman that does not need to ashamed. God said to Abraham He was his exceeding great reward. If you as a branch can lay hold of the Vine by his Word. "My peace I give to you not as the world gives I give to you." Knowing your escape from hell and worthiness for the same . I suggest you embrace your eternal identity in Christ and keep your soul in contact with your Bible. Be transformed by the renewing of your mind. He will keep Him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed upon thee. You are called to relationship not religion your Bible is a key factor.

 

[God's Fighter]

Your words are uplifting, especially that of Daniel411. But how can I defeat an obstinate generation within the church in our country. The faith of this country is dead, I cannot do what is intended of me, I do not have the blood of a hero in my veins. I am doomed with the vision, the inspiration, the message and the sight of good and evil. There is overwhelming goodness in serving Christ and refusing to be blind to those around us and there is overwhelming evil in our apathy and materialism, our religious elitism and fear and sensationalism. We argue amongst ourselves ridiculous differences but the common ground we share is our neglect of the poor. I believe God when He said "For one man puts to flight a thousand, Because the Lord your God fights for you, Just as He promised you". But I do not believe in my peers, and I have resigned that I am no better.

 

[Daniel411]

Your words are uplifting, especially that of Daniel411. But how can I defeat an obstinate generation within the church in our country.

It is not yours to defeat; you are to be a sower of seeds, a fisher of men, Only God will defeat, only God can give them eyes to see and ears to hear.


17 And Jesus said unto them, Come ye after me, and I will make you to become fishers of men Mark 1:17 (KJV)


16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Romans 9:16-18 (KJV)

The faith of this country is dead, I cannot do what is intended of me, I do not have the blood of a hero in my veins. I am doomed with the vision, the inspiration, the message and the sight of good and evil.

You are not to judge, else you also will be judged. Do you have a clear vision of what God expects of you?

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Matt 6:33 (KJV)

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: Matt 7:7 (KJV)

There is overwhelming goodness in serving Christ and refusing to be blind to those around us and there is overwhelming evil in our apathy and materialism, our religious elitism and fear and sensationalism. We argue amongst ourselves ridiculous differences but the common ground we share is our neglect of the poor.

Perhaps you must be poor to know where the neglect is; perhaps this is your teaching, a gift.


20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.
21 Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh.
22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.
24 But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.
25 Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.
26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
Luke 6:20-26 (KJV)

I believe God when He said "For one man puts to flight a thousand, Because the Lord your God fights for you, Just as He promised you".
But I do not believe in my peers, and I have resigned that I am no better

As you are no better than them, they too are no better then you if you are a servant of God washed in the blood of Christ, are we not all one body of Christ?


7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit. 1 Thess 4:7-8 (KJV)


1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.

5 For every man shall bear his own burden.

6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith Gal 6:1-10 (KJV)


24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.

26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses. Mark 11:24-26 (KJV)

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendethrain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? Matt 5:44-46 (KJV)

Know that we pray for you and the teachings have been given for us to share.
We know not what you need. only God can give that.

 

[God's Fighter]

4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.

5 For every man shall bear his own burden.

6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

These four verses should be very carefully used and considered. For they are a revelation of this time. Prophetic even. I have sown knowledge of the inner thoughts of my fellow man and I have reaped sorrow and pain. I've longed to know and sown prayers of crying out for vision and I have reaped the witnessing of apostasy. I've sought after guidance and I reaped visions of disaster brought on by the atrocities of man. I've sought after a cure for my friends and reaped tears. I sought to serve God and I reaped gifts and isolation. I sought to know compassion and reaped agony. But no one will dare touch my burdens, no one will dare look them in the eye. No one has the courage to help me. I've prayed to know if there are others and reaped silence. The apathy of this place is suffocating, the only ones who aren't affected are those who do not breathe because they are dead. What I've learned and seen is too much for me to bear, the things I asked for now only serve to torment me. But even then I contemplate something serious, is my misery even a fraction of the misery upon the heads of those who sit idle singing their hymns once a week who have blood on their hands? Or is my misery ever present because I am the only one who acknowledges our spiritual bankruptcy?

 

[riverhooks]

Both Parents 3 Sisters and I Brother have all been converted , Born-Again three are in Heaven. I was saved in my twenties by the scripture I am the Vine you are the Branches. I believed God's Word. I had access with boldness, everything I asked for according to His will was yea, and amen. I could ask for the Holy the Spirit to operate in peoples lives anywhere in the world . " How much more will your Father give the Holy Spirit to Them that ask Him." I had a new eternal identity one of purpose usefulness. I could sleep under a cardboard box in the rain and and be heard with my gift of faith. It is impossible for God to Lie. He resists the proud, and doesn't like murmuring and complaining. I deserved Hell and he gave me the tools to impact change I will sing of the mercies of the Lord for ever. It took a long time but my little brother was the last to come to God, he came in 2009. I don't sweat over things I have no control over I am not called to offer up critiques of Christ's church or Christians. He has shown me what is good , to due justly love mercy , and walk humbly with my God. I read a tract I found on the side of the road, God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life. After almost forty years, I testify I have lived life and that more abundantly. My treasures are in Heaven. Ask. Bye.

 

[Daniel411]

I don't sweat over things I have no control over I am not called to offer up critiques of Christ's church or Christians. He has shown me what is good , to due justly love mercy , and walk humbly with my God. I read a tract I found on the side of the road, God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life. After almost forty years, I testify I have lived life and that more abundantly. My treasures are in Heaven. Ask. Bye.

Thank you brother, wisdom to grow

 

[Daniel411]

These four verses should be very carefully used and considered. For they are a revelation of this time. Prophetic even. I have sown knowledge of the inner thoughts of my fellow man and I have reaped sorrow and pain. I've longed to know and sown prayers of crying out for vision and I have reaped the witnessing of apostasy. I've sought after guidance and I reaped visions of disaster brought on by the atrocities of man. I've sought after a cure for my friends and reaped tears. I sought to serve God and I reaped gifts and isolation. I sought to know compassion and reaped agony. But no one will dare touch my burdens, no one will dare look them in the eye. No one has the courage to help me. I've prayed to know if there are others and reaped silence. The apathy of this place is suffocating, the only ones who aren't affected are those who do not breathe because they are dead. What I've learned and seen is too much for me to bear, the things I asked for now only serve to torment me. But even then I contemplate something serious, is my misery even a fraction of the misery upon the heads of those who sit idle singing their hymns once a week who have blood on their hands? Or is my misery ever present because I am the only one who acknowledges our spiritual bankruptcy?

Do you honestly believe only you intercede and willingly except others pain to give them peace?

Do you think only you see the misguided, and falseness, the wickedness within and around?

Do you think only you have been given the insight of what might be?


Let me remind you that only God truly knows what was, what is and what will be.

As I pray every morning, I feel the protection, the light of God, of angels around me, like a bright dome. As I go through the day, and interact with all I come in contact with, I see just outside that light, their Joys and anguish, I see their troubles, I feel their pain often before they do, but its outside that dome of light, outside that protection. I can see people, their souls reaching out in anguish, their torment, their tears, but I also see the Love, the peace, the stillness, the quiet
I want so badly for them to see, the light, to enter in, to understand, but yet it is not for me to force it upon them. They too have free will, and when it is time God will give them eyes and ears.

I know God will not give me more than I can bare. I am not a good speaker, nor a good physician, I am only fair at understanding, but I know God has chosen me for this because I am strong and except it.

I do not walk in misery or fear; I smile everyday and pray that the smiles are contagious.
I ask God to forgive me, that I may have sinned, I ask him for forgiveness of those who trespass against me, and I do cleanse my pain through Jesus Christ when it is too much to bare.

We are not to live in seclusion, hiding from each other, we are not to walk as the hypocrites, and we are to enjoy life as any other man but avoid that which is tempting to sin. Do you not see anything beautiful in this world.? God created all things, and yet people only see what they want.

I don’t believe we are to beat people over the head with our Bible, or hang them by their ankles shaking them into belief. We can’t drag or choke them to understanding, But we can be as an example in our everyday life, as they watch us and listen to us just being an upright human being.

We are simply teachers, some by word, some by example, some by connection, and others by whatever gifts God has given.

You must be willing to ask for release of the burdens you carry.
You must walk humbly towards God and man.

You are in my prayers

 

[Living in the Light]

Do you honestly believe only you intercede and willingly except others pain to give them peace?

Do you think only you see the misguided, and falseness, the wickedness within and around?

Do you think only you have been given the insight of what might be?


Let me remind you that only God truly knows what was, what is and what will be.

As I pray every morning, I feel the protection, the light of God, of angels around me, like a bright dome. As I go through the day, and interact with all I come in contact with, I see just outside that light, their Joys and anguish, I see their troubles, I feel their pain often before they do, but its outside that dome of light, outside that protection. I can see people, their souls reaching out in anguish, their torment, their tears, but I also see the Love, the peace, the stillness, the quiet
I want so badly for them to see, the light, to enter in, to understand, but yet it is not for me to force it upon them. They too have free will, and when it is time God will give them eyes and ears.

I know God will not give me more than I can bare. I am not a good speaker, nor a good physician, I am only fair at understanding, but I know God has chosen me for this because I am strong and except it.

I do not walk in misery or fear; I smile everyday and pray that the smiles are contagious.
I ask God to forgive me, that I may have sinned, I ask him for forgiveness of those who trespass against me, and I do cleanse my pain through Jesus Christ when it is too much to bare.

We are not to live in seclusion, hiding from each other, we are not to walk as the hypocrites, and we are to enjoy life as any other man but avoid that which is tempting to sin. Do you not see anything beautiful in this world.? God created all things, and yet people only see what they want.

I don’t believe we are to beat people over the head with our Bible, or hang them by their ankles shaking them into belief. We can’t drag or choke them to understanding, But we can be as an example in our everyday life, as they watch us and listen to us just being an upright human being.

We are simply teachers, some by word, some by example, some by connection, and others by whatever gifts God has given.

You must be willing to ask for release of the burdens you carry.
You must walk humbly towards God and man.

You are in my prayers

Such wise, kind words Daniel. I can learn a lot from you.

 

[Daniel411]

Such wise, kind words Daniel. I can learn a lot from you.

Thank you brother but all glory goes to The Father, Son and Holy Spirit, amen.

 

[God's Fighter]

Living by example is a virtuous thing, but few choose to live their life as Christ did His. It isn't the imperfections we all carry that haunt me, it is the outright unwillingness to acknowledge our apathy and live and pretend in a box where we only see hear and believe the easiest most comforting things. We choose to be the kind of christians that have no personal stake in anything or anyone. We feign gratefulness for our blessings but we also feign ignorance of the people around us, or are we feigning at all? I have no box to go back to, I have no walls to rebuild. Mine were destroyed by God and His Word, I chose not to rebuild the things that protected me from hardship. But rather to build up my faith and my soul. I had a virtue, a mission, and two visions of the future. Only I find myself trapped in the wrong one, one I can't escape. I find myself in the bleak existence of Laodicea. I did as I was lead by God, and taught people to serve the poor, but they did by driving up in their expensive cars. Am I better? You assume I did these things on my own or saw these things of my own accord? I did not ask for my walls to begin falling down, but when they did I asked for the wisdom and the compassion to clearly see those around me. But I did not ask for the world to start crashing down around me. I accept that perhaps it is the consequence to what I asked for. You ask me to let go of my burden, when its not my burden that I am bearing. Review the scripture you wrote to me. I say this not to put you down, or judge you. Nor am I assuming to know you. But read carefully and consider my previous statement, think on it and perhaps you'll understand what I'm attempting to convey.

 

[stormdancer0]

I'm sorry you are having so much trouble finding mature Christians.

I understand how frustrating it is, to be surrounded by Christians who only want God on Sunday, and when they're in trouble. But I CANNOT allow myself to fall into their way of being; nor can I abandon them totally. They need mature Christians to show the way.

I think you are being too hard on people, too. You say you taught them to serve the poor, but they did it in their expensive cars. Were they supposed to rent clunkers? If they came to serve at all, they should be encouraged to continue. They can't go from pew-warmers to dynamic Christian servers in one fell swoop.

Rather than look at all you've lost, look at what you've received. Obviously, a heart for service; an out-of-the-box view of life; possibly some teaching ability. You say God destroyed your walls? Then they were blocking His will for your life.

Be very careful you don't start a pity party. You can't be in the wrong vision. You are where God has put you for now. Do the best you can, and wait. Instead of believing you are in the wrong vision, ask God what He wants you to see or learn from this one. No experience is ever wasted.

 

[God's Fighter]

I think you are being too hard on people, too. You say you taught them to serve the poor, but they did it in their expensive cars.

I don't think they realize how insulting it is. It's easy to enter a place of poverty in a caravan of expensive cars, saying all you need is Jesus, when you get to go back home to your big screen tv and large climate controlled house and cabinets full of food and warm beds.

Rather than look at all you've lost, look at what you've received. Obviously, a heart for service; an out-of-the-box view of life; possibly some teaching ability.

What I've lost is hope. What I've gained is gifts and understanding that come with the price of knowing too much. A transaction I cannot rescind, that has brought me suffering. A sight that has marred me a sight that has made my own body like a prison tower, still high enough that I can still see but still powerless to do anything.

You say God destroyed your walls? Then they were blocking His will for your life.

He destroyed the walls, I chose not to rebuild them and hide myself. I chose instead to search and to become a warrior and to no longer fear the wilderness. But I have seen more than I can bear alone, a mere fraction of what God sees. How much more can anyone else survive who has hidden themselves.

Instead of believing you are in the wrong vision, ask God what He wants you to see or learn from this one. No experience is ever wasted.

If this is the right vision then everything is lost. What is more terrifying is no one feels the urgency of the situation.

 

[Daniel411]

Living by example is a virtuous thing, but few choose to live their life as Christ did His. It isn't the imperfections we all carry that haunt me, it is the outright unwillingness to acknowledge our apathy and live and pretend in a box where we only see hear and believe the easiest most comforting things. We choose to be the kind of christians that have no personal stake in anything or anyone. We feign gratefulness for our blessings but we also feign ignorance of the people around us, or are we feigning at all? I have no box to go back to, I have no walls to rebuild. Mine were destroyed by God and His Word, I chose not to rebuild the things that protected me from hardship. But rather to build up my faith and my soul. I had a virtue, a mission, and two visions of the future. Only I find myself trapped in the wrong one, one I can't escape. I find myself in the bleak existence of Laodicea. I did as I was lead by God, and taught people to serve the poor, but they did by driving up in their expensive cars. Am I better? You assume I did these things on my own or saw these things of my own accord? I did not ask for my walls to begin falling down, but when they did I asked for the wisdom and the compassion to clearly see those around me. But I did not ask for the world to start crashing down around me. I accept that perhaps it is the consequence to what I asked for. You ask me to let go of my burden, when its not my burden that I am bearing. Review the scripture you wrote to me. I say this not to put you down, or judge you. Nor am I assuming to know you. But read carefully and consider my previous statement, think on it and perhaps you'll understand what I'm attempting to convey.

Brother I have read your responses, and though you tend to weave them in different directions, your responses still reflect what I see in the larger scheme. And you I believe are being blinded and not able to see, or are refusing to understand what Jesus taught, I don’t answer you lightly, and I do pray before every response, and I do not convict you of anything,, however, you really seem to believe things that just are not in Gods eyes, or Jesus teachings, perhaps your trials are of you own refusal to fully understand.
Do you know how dangerous it is to not forgive?
Do you know how dangerous it is to judge?
You claim it was insulting what was done but insulting to whom?
You point out the hypocrisy, but yet you cannot see your own.
If I tell you to take your sins to Jesus, am I convicting you?
IF I tell you to remove the log from your eye, do I now become self-righteous?
I ask if you have studied Gods word, which we have all presented you. And I warn you that many of us are seeing the same things in your response.

I will suggest you study Matthew 18

1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? Matt 18:1 (KJV)
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35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses. Matt 18:35 (KJV)

Praying for you brother.

 

[riverhooks]

In the multitude of counsel there is safety . However it is important to be aware of the tendencies to browse the buffet until we find what we like not what we don't. Rather than if it is in the Word and we hold forth the word of life faithfully, the counsel of God will have the witness of the Spirit with it . Second Opinions sure , I don't think anyone is saying Thus saith the Lord. Or anyone intends to judge. We are called to relationship with Christ, who are we to judge another mans servant said Paul. We are called to handle the Word of God per the instructions in the book. Rightly dividing the Word of Truth. In the enviroment of a forum you will run the gauntlet and I am reminding myself not to have my feelings on my sleeve. We live in perilous times of itching ears , false ways and false teachers. Putting on the new man may not be much of a building block to some, but for those who were in their twenties in the seventies it is easy to perceive folks are not doing things the old fashioned way. Relationship with God, building blocks of His Word. Learn your eternal identity. Your access to God. The how to's in the Word. Then do it. It works you don't need anyone's approval except God. You may be called to stand alone. But make sure you are in Spirit. Not just apeing " Do we have critical mass or a mass of critics". ?

 

[God's Fighter]

Daniel, I find the way I speak confuses you, and that is likely my own fault. But nothing has been answered for, has my plight been considered? Or am viewed as a judge to be shut up? I do not act on my own initiative, these are the burdens God commanded of me to preach. Though I have deteriorated from the burden the conviction remains. Because you can't forget what you've seen and what you've known. And yet the only defense mustered against my plea for renewal is that I am wrong and that I speak for myself. No one admits the dire situation we find ourselves in, people refuse to come out of their boxes. Refuse to look in the eyes of need, refuse too at the way we live. With so much apathy and indifference how is it when the very lifestyle is threatened we become religious elite. A religious defense mechanism when our faith is challenged. Am I calling you any of these things, Daniel? No. But if anyone feels convicted let them examine themselves. I feel this thread has come to an unfortunate end but not an unexpected one. My blessings are becoming burdens to me, your attempts to help me I fear have dragged you down and created animosity. I will not heed the advice to willingly abandon my burdens (as if i could) that would mean abandoning God.

 

[Daniel411]

Daniel, I find the way I speak confuses you, and that is likely my own fault. But nothing has been answered for, has my plight been considered? Or am viewed as a judge to be shut up? I do not act on my own initiative, these are the burdens God commanded of me to preach. Though I have deteriorated from the burden the conviction remains. Because you can't forget what you've seen and what you've known. And yet the only defense mustered against my plea for renewal is that I am wrong and that I speak for myself. No one admits the dire situation we find ourselves in, people refuse to come out of their boxes. Refuse to look in the eyes of need, refuse too at the way we live. With so much apathy and indifference how is it when the very lifestyle is threatened we become religious elite. A religious defense mechanism when our faith is challenged. Am I calling you any of these things, Daniel? No. But if anyone feels convicted let them examine themselves. I feel this thread has come to an unfortunate end but not an unexpected one. My blessings are becoming burdens to me, your attempts to help me I fear have dragged you down and created animosity. I will not heed the advice to willingly abandon my burdens (as if i could) that would mean abandoning God.

Brother I in no way feel you have convicted me. What I do know is the point of which I lay my burdens at the cross and truly repent, I am forgiven, I am given a clean slate. Cleansed by the blood of Christ.

My point is, if you cannot shake the visions, or feelings of hopelessness, perhaps, something is holding you back, ask for God to reveal that to you. We cannot.

As for those who you feel so strongly are not serving correctly, what is your solution?

Teach perhaps, if that is what you are called to do, and with your pain and anguish should come compassion, not judgment, where is the positive?
I hear only despair.
Where is the hope? Where is the Love?
Again, if you can’t find those positives, perhaps you need to ask for that vision.

Is it not for God to choose our outcome? Do I believe, as a Christian we can make a difference? I suspect, it may only delay what is written. But that is a positive vision.


I am sorry if you have been offended. Or feel you have been judged or misunderstood.

I acknowledge your claim of carrying their burdens of false or misguided Christians, perhaps this is the cause of so many churches / religions not willing to cover more than the basics,

But do I study in depth because my church does, I say no. Its because God chose me to, and I choose to listen.

Do you study deeper because your church does? I don’t know, but I suspect God has also chosen you to grow.

Most folks I hear keep blaming the church or their priest or pastor for not teaching more than the basics. But where do you hear that, usually on websites or in fellowship with people stretching to grow.

The times we are in, for thousands of years we have been taught of false prophets, and false teachings. Is it any different now or are you perhaps just more aware.

When Jesus took to his ministry, what was civilization like?
Think of it, there were twelve to go and teach in a society of false gods, false teachings, and wickedness was rampant. Are we starting from zero?

And who were the twelve that he chose in the entire world, were they upright citizens?

Even if you are ready to give up you should know this,
I will continue to pray for you and ask God for guidance, wisdom and peace.
hang in thier brother