Equality

[jayem]

Most of the differences are mental.

I don't know. I think that's more a matter of education and expectations. Women are still under-represented in the STEM occupations. But that's changing. I'll bet that within the next 20 years, men and women will be equally employed in those fields. And will definitely be paid equally.

 

[MoreQuestions]

Are you a robot?
The soul is the self, the "I" that inhabits the body and acts through it.
Without the soul, the body is like a light bulb without
electricity.
The human soul our sages have said:
"She is called by five names:
Nefesh/soul.
Ruach/spirit.
Neshamah/breath.
Chayah/life.
Yechidah/singularity.
It should be a basic.

1. I am not a robot. Please don't be so rude.
2. You call this "a basic" by which you seem to imply that I should already know what you know. Please don't be so presumptuous.
3. Our sages have said that out of your 5, we know what breath, life and singularity are, so they are not 'soul'. The other two do not exist.

 

[MoreQuestions]

I don't know. I think that's more a matter of education and expectations. Women are still under-represented in the STEM occupations. But that's changing. I'll bet that within the next 20 years, men and women will be equally employed in those fields. And will definitely be paid equally.

In some Scandinavian countries over time the more they provided equal opportunities to woman go into their choice of fields, the less they chose STEM.

 

[Robban]

1. I am not a robot. Please don't be so rude.
2. You call this "a basic" by which you seem to imply that I should already know what you know. Please don't be so presumptuous.
3. Our sages have said that out of your 5, we know what breath, life and singularity are, so they are not 'soul'. The other two do not exist.

Says who?

 

[MoreQuestions]

Says who?

I said no1 and no2.
Not sure what your getting at.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

I don't know. I think that's more a matter of education and expectations. Women are still under-represented in the STEM occupations. But that's changing. I'll bet that within the next 20 years, men and women will be equally employed in those fields. And will definitely be paid equally.

I am not sure of this. I am in the mechanical engineering field and men still dominate this profession. Most mechanical engineering scholarships are for women but still it dopes not attract women at the same rate as men. I don't see any reason to believe any bias is going on it seems that women in general are not as interested in mechanical engineering as men are.

 

[jayem]

I am not sure of this. I am in the mechanical engineering field and men still dominate this profession. Most mechanical engineering scholarships are for women but still it dopes not attract women at the same rate as men. I don't see any reason to believe any bias is going on it seems that women in general are not as interested in mechanical engineering as men are.

Fair point. But attitudes can change in 2 decades. Who in the late 1970s would have thought that women will be a majority of medical school students by 2017?

Women Are Majority of New Medical Students | Inside Higher Ed

Who could have imagined that recreational marijuana use will be legalized, or that same-sex couples can be legally married? Predicting the future is practically the definition of rank speculation. But the fact that things will be different is a certainty.

 

[ruthiesea]

In what ways are men and women the same?
In what ways are men and women different?

When we speak about equality most people mean equality under the law. That is an American principle that, unfortunately, is not always automatically applied.

 

[MehGuy]

In what ways are men and women the same?
In what ways are men and women different?

I believe the biggest factor between men and women hinges on women being more neotenous than men on average. Retaining more childlike traits until adulthood. Honestly I do not see how this will not have psychological consequences. As a kid I grew up in a socially conservative household. Despite this I thought for myself and have been egalitarian as long as I can remember. Trying to sum up how I was treated compared to my sisters and mother when I was about 8, I concluded that women get extended childhoods for life. While men had to "man up" and take on a more parental relationship with women. Protecting them from danger, always thinking of their "fragile" needs compared to our own.

It is all a mix of good and bad, and depending on your brain hardwiring you'll find being a man or women more of a burden. Unlike my sisters I was less coddled. This gave me more freedom. I was allowed to roam out of the neighborhood and sometimes outside of the city and be gone for hours at a time, while my sisters had to stay in the house. Once one of my sisters explored outside of the neighborhood and was grounded for six months. The standards between me and them were incredibly different.

You see this even in more liberal feminist camps. The idea of the women as the "damsel" is highly valued, and men are constantly told that we need to further and further protect women. The hysteria with safe spaces and trigger warnings for women. As far as challenging gender roles and actually being progressive, its all a joke. Its mostly just an excuse to twist things where they pretend to be progressive, yet in reality gorge on their deep primal human psychological needs to be "feminine" and "masculine".

That's the sad part, psychological neoteny is probably deeply rooted in human psychology and it is probably impossible to completely get rid of.

 

[FireDragon76]

I believe the biggest factor between men and women hinges on women being more neotenous than men on average. Retaining more childlike traits until adulthood. Honestly I do not see how this will not have psychological consequences. As a kid I grew up in a socially conservative household. Despite this I thought for myself and have been egalitarian as long as I can remember. Trying to sum up how I was treated compared to my sisters and mother when I was about 8, I concluded that women get extended childhoods for life. While men had to "man up" and take on a more parental relationship with women. Protecting them from danger, always thinking of their "fragile" needs compared to our own.

That's more characteristic of certain fundamentalist/conservative religious homes than women in general. Even in that setting, though, women do undergo maturation emotionally. But it's different from men, typically.

 

[Robban]

I believe the biggest factor between men and women hinges on women being more neotenous than men on average. Retaining more childlike traits until adulthood. Honestly I do not see how this will not have psychological consequences. As a kid I grew up in a socially conservative household. Despite this I thought for myself and have been egalitarian as long as I can remember. Trying to sum up how I was treated compared to my sisters and mother when I was about 8, I concluded that women get extended childhoods for life. While men had to "man up" and take on a more parental relationship with women. Protecting them from danger, always thinking of their "fragile" needs compared to our own.

It is all a mix of good and bad, and depending on your brain hardwiring you'll find being a man or women more of a burden. Unlike my sisters I was less coddled. This gave me more freedom. I was allowed to roam out of the neighborhood and sometimes outside of the city and be gone for hours at a time, while my sisters had to stay in the house. Once one of my sisters explored outside of the neighborhood and was grounded for six months. The standards between me and them were incredibly different.

You see this even in more liberal feminist camps. The idea of the women as the "damsel" is highly valued, and men are constantly told that we need to further and further protect women. The hysteria with safe spaces and trigger warnings for women. As far as challenging gender roles and actually being progressive, its all a joke. Its mostly just an excuse to twist things where they pretend to be progressive, yet in reality gorge on their deep primal human psychological needs to be "feminine" and "masculine".

That's the sad part, psychological neoteny is probably deeply rooted in human psychology and it is probably impossible to completely get rid of.

Most men have a little boy inside that never seems to grow up.

Ask me, haha.

 

[MehGuy]

Most men have a little boy inside that never seems to grow up.

Ask me, haha.

Yeah and society has the term "manchild" to discourage such behavior, with no real female equivalent. A sexist term feminists love to shout, usually as a psychological defense mechanism when they're confronted with real challenges to gender roles. It is amusing when I see a feminist (usually a male one) short circuit and go on a "manchild" loop and indiscriminately call men "manchildren" for the most bizarre reasons, lol.

That is not to say all childish behavior from men is discouraged. There are aspects I ponder. Historically and from my conservative upbringing men were tolerated to be more "rowdy" than women. Of course such things come in handy when men are expected to fight in wars and try to ink out a financial living in this crazy world. Childish behavior from men is judged negatively when it interferes with men's parental obligation towards women.

 

[Ken-1122]

In what ways are men and women the same?
In what ways are men and women different?

I think the traditional dating game has a big impact on men that it doesn’t have on women.

I think guys spend much of their formative years learning the skills of negotiation that women often don’t learn. Traditionally when a guy wants to get with a woman, he has to negotiate with her to get her number, a date, sex, or whatever; and he does this knowing there is a good chance he will get turned down. Back in my single days, I used to go to a club with at a dozen pieces of paper with my phone number written on it, and I wouldn’t leave the club unless I had at least 1 number from a girl or all of my numbers were given out. Yeah; I got turned down a lot but I never left a club without a number because when one girl said no, there was always another one, so I was okay if she said no.
I just saw it as “crackin on girls” but I was actually learning skills that helped me get ahead in life! The same audacity that allowed me to approach a complete stranger and say

“Hello pretty girl! Is this seat taken? Can I buy you a drink? I’m Kenny what’s your name? I don’t mean to brag but I’m kinda a big deal around here; yeah everybody knows me; when you hear people talkin’ about the big black guy; they talkin’ about ME!”

gave me the confidence to go to a job interview and say

I’ve got the skills to be a great asset to this company, but I’m gonna need at least $20 per hr in order to make this work.

I would say this knowing I will probably get turned down but I had the same attitude I had in the club; knowing there was another job just around the corner so I was okay with no.

Somebody without those skills would probably be hired at $18 per hr and wonder why I got a higher rate even though I am no more qualified than they were.

And it’s not just jobs, it’s buying cars, houses, anything that can requires negotiation. I’m not saying women don’t learn these skills, there are plenty of other ways people learn to negotiate, but I think this is something almost all men learn.

 

[pleinmont]

Women can negotiate just as well as men as I know for a fact.

 

[MehGuy]

Parental/child like relationships between men and women are found in all kinds of outlets, especially romantic and sexual ones.

Women tend to find men more masculine and in turn feel more feminine regarding..

-Height (with men being taller than them)
-Women prefer men who are larger than them, with muscles preferred but fatness acceptable in exchange if they're low value women who will realistically not be able to get fit men.
-Men who have good financial prospects and at least at their educational level or above

While men tend to find women more feminine and in turn feel more masculine regarding..

-Youthfulness (women being younger than them)
-Being smaller than them, a woman they can easily pick up and dominate
-Less concerned with a women's financial prospects and educational level, even a turn off in some cases
-Neotenous features. Studies show men prefer women with more neotenous faces compared to women with less neotenous faces.

Explains why east Asian (the most neotenous race) women do very well on dating sites but the men have much more trouble.

 

[Ken-1122]

-Neotenous features. Studies show men prefer women with more neotenous faces compared to women with less neotenous faces.

Explains why east Asian (the most neotenous race) women do very well on dating sites but the men have much more trouble.

What are Neotenous features?

 

[MehGuy]

What are Neotenous features?

Wikipedia has a good article about human neoteny.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

What are Neotenous features?

Young, immature.

 

[MehGuy]

Young, immature.

I am not sure what you mean by that, lol.

Certainly I hope no women take offense over the notion that they're more neotenous on average compared to men. If anything being more neotenous is a good thing. A major element in the story of human evolution is the continuous presence of evermore neotenous traits. Men are technically more "archaic" looking.

I am not arguing that women have the minds of "children". A sentiment that's certainly been wrongly echoed in that past centuries. Studies show that our IQs are basically the same, and women have parental psychology too especially when it comes to taking care of their children. As far as any biological differences between men and women I believe realistically it will always be on a short tight leash.

Just that when it comes to being an egalitarian and wanting to challenge gender roles and give men and women as equal an experience in life as possible, the subject of neoteny seems like it deserves incredible attention.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I am not sure what you mean by that, lol.

Certainly I hope no women take offense over the notion that they're more neotenous on average compared to men. If anything being more neotenous is a good thing. A major element in the story of human evolution is the continuous presence of evermore neotenous traits. Men are technically more "archaic" looking.

I am not arguing that women have the minds of "children". A sentiment that's certainly been wrongly echoed in that past centuries. Studies show that our IQs are basically the same, and women have parental psychology too especially when it comes to taking care of their children. As far as any biological differences between men and women I believe realistically it will always be on a short tight leash.

Just that when it comes to being an egalitarian and wanting to challenge gender roles and give men and women as equal an experience in life as possible, the subject of neoteny seems like it deserves incredible attention.

Young, immature looking, and perhaps acting, which has a special sexual appeal to both men and women. It may influence the disparity between the genders, but I don't think an in depth look at this would be allowed here as it would be considered sexist or misogyny.

One problem men might have is that although women are making incredible gains regarding equality some radical feminists smell blood in the water and "want it all and want it now".