Episcopal Bishops Vote for New Head Amid Gay Row

[Ave Maria]

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) – Episcopal bishops are choosing a new national leader as the denomination fights for a continued role in the global Anglican fellowship.

http://www.christianpost.com/article/church/2703/section/episcopal.bishops.vote.for.new.head.amid.gay.row/1.htm

Okay I know that many of you consider The Christian Post to be a controversial or biased news source but this article is from the Associated Press and as such it should not be too biased as I assume that most Associated Press articles are considered to be mainstream.

That said, I hope that the Holy Spirit guides the bishops' votes.

 

[scraparcs]

They already elected Schori. (And before anyone asks, yes, she's a woman.)

 

[Ave Maria]

They already elected Schori. (And before anyone asks, yes, she's a woman.)

Hmm that was fast. The news article I posted was recent so I guess they must have just voted or something? Anyway, I hope that Schori leads the Episcopal Church in the right direction.

 

[scraparcs]

Well, there are a few Episcopalians upset that the presiding bishop is a woman....

 

[kiwimac]

How very silly of them!

Do they honestly think that the presence of testosterone is only right way for God to lead the AC?

 

[Texas Lynn]

This is some extremely wonderful news. Thank you so much for sharing it. I'm like walking on air and I'm not even Episcopal.

 

[PaladinValer]

Another wonderfully ignorant news article:

1. A moratorium was already decided on in 2004.
2. I love this line: "The winner will inherit a fractured church." They better be right, because if not, this newsource is what should be called this:

FALSE PROPHET

3. A number of non-ECUSA Anglican bishops have expressed their joy. A number of those who have are primates or come from Third World countries, usually those on the more "conservative" front of things.

As I always say in this particular forum, don't trust Christian newsources. The only time you can trust them is if they deal in matters of their own devices.

 

[Historicus]

I rejoice to see this too! My only concern though is what effects this may have on the ECUSA and the Anglican Communion world-wide.

 

[PaladinValer]

I rejoice to see this too! My only concern though is what effects this may have on the ECUSA and the Anglican Communion world-wide.

As I explained in a thread in STR, and with a great deal of respect to that thread's OP, they are attacking a weak target.

From what I've heard, we are going to state a new official apology and request for reconciliation and we have, so far, not elected any open homosexuals to the bishopric.

We do our part, and we still get blasted. To me, that's outrageous that we're being treated that way. However, when the dust settles and the ECUSA proves herself in that that she fulfilled the requests asked of her, I think it is going to be the "other side" that's going to have their butts handed to them in the next Lambeth.

 

[Proselyte]

It may cause other Christians to stumble if they are being led by someone with habitual sin in their life. Much like if a drug user, alcoholic, adulterer, thief...what have you was leading the congregation. Hate the sin, not the man. I think everyone would have a vested interest in helping that person to overcome that habitual sin, but it wouldn't be appropriate to lead others while living an open life of habitual sin.

 

[catlover]

They already elected Schori. (And before anyone asks, yes, she's a woman.)

Good for them!

 

[Ave Maria]

Well, there are a few Episcopalians upset that the presiding bishop is a woman....

I can understand how that might be an issue to some Episcopalians. That is all I am going to say of that matter though as I personally do not wish to turn this into a debate about male or female bishops.

 

[Ave Maria]

Another wonderfully ignorant news article:

1. A moratorium was already decided on in 2004.
2. I love this line: "The winner will inherit a fractured church." They better be right, because if not, this newsource is what should be called this:

FALSE PROPHET

3. A number of non-ECUSA Anglican bishops have expressed their joy. A number of those who have are primates or come from Third World countries, usually those on the more "conservative" front of things.

As I always say in this particular forum, don't trust Christian newsources. The only time you can trust them is if they deal in matters of their own devices.

It is an Associated Press news article. They are generally considered to be quite reputable I thought. If you had a problem with it then feel free to contact the Associated Press about it.

 

[PaladinValer]

Perverted by exactly what I said, however.

 

[Ave Maria]

Perverted by exactly what I said, however.

So are you saying that the Christian Post took an Associated Press article and changed it to fit their agenda because that's the only interpretation I seem to be able to make out of your post here. If that is indeed the case then I apologise because I may have been mistaken about the accuracy of the article.

 

[ebia]

..., but it wouldn't be appropriate to lead others while living an open life of habitual sin.

No. You are quite right. Christians must be led by people who are good at hiding their habitual sins, or at the very least good at pretending to be repentant. Whatever next - honesty in Church?

 

[Sam Gamgee]

It may cause other Christians to stumble if they are being led by someone with habitual sin in their life. Much like if a drug user, alcoholic, adulterer, thief...what have you was leading the congregation. Hate the sin, not the man. I think everyone would have a vested interest in helping that person to overcome that habitual sin, but it wouldn't be appropriate to lead others while living an open life of habitual sin.

Have you ever watched a woman lead a church service?
If so, have you ever gotten the urge to breast feed afterwards?

I can pretty much guarantee that if your pastor was gay, you wouldn't wake up on day and say "You know, I think today I'd like to have gay sex. My pastor does it, so I should try it"

Further, if you do think that way, you don't have much of an ability for logic and reasoning.

 

[talitha]

I am not upset that my former church (yeah, I used to be Episcopalean) has selected a female for this position. I am upset that the one was selected is one who supported the selection of a homosexual bishop. The Bible is pretty clear on this - not to mention logic - a person in the office of bishop should lead an exemplary life. More is required of someone in authority and out-front than of others.

 

[MapleLeaf]

It may cause other Christians to stumble if they are being led by someone with habitual sin in their life. Much like if a drug user, alcoholic, adulterer, thief...what have you was leading the congregation. Hate the sin, not the man. I think everyone would have a vested interest in helping that person to overcome that habitual sin, but it wouldn't be appropriate to lead others while living an open life of habitual sin.

Okay then we can also exclude from the pulpit

1) Those who eat shellfish
2) Gluttons
3) Those who wear mixed fibers
4) Adulterers
5) Child Abusers
6) Anyone with an impure thought?

doubt there would be anyone left to preach the word of God.

 

[talitha]

Okay then we can also exclude from the pulpit

1) Those who eat shellfish
2) Gluttons
3) Those who wear mixed fibers
4) Adulterers
5) Child Abusers
6) Anyone with an impure thought?

doubt there would be anyone left to preach the word of God.

I know you are trying to be facetious here - but I would say that ANYONE who knowingly, willingly, and customarily lives in a pattern of doing anything that is not God's will for him or her - with no effort or intention to change it - should be excluded from public ministry.

For example:

Adulterers and Child Abusers (from your list - surely you are not suggesting that someone should preach the gospel on sundays if he's beating his child on fridays?)

people who go against some specific thing God told them to avoid - even something that isn't a sin - The Lord led me to stop participating in a folk music group I used to be in - nothing wrong with the folk music, and it could've been viewed as a good witnessing/ministry platform - but God impressed me to stop participating - if I had disobeyed God in that - particularly unrepentantly - then my relationship with God would be adversely effected. In that state I would not be fit to be a minister - much less a bishop (and I was Episc. at that time).

HMMMM

blessings
tal