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In what way are Anglicans treated as "second-class Christians" by the Catholic Church?I have no such expectations.
But I am clear that the Catholic church's current stance rejects those in other churches and treats them as second-class Christians.
In what way are Anglicans treated as "second-class Christians" by the Catholic Church?
So you don't want the Catholic Church to change for you.It's not just Anglicans, it's basically everyone except the Orthodox.
It's the language used of us, the way official policies exclude or discourage treating us as members of the one body of Christ, and so on.
Until the day I can take communion alongside you in your church, and you can take communion alongside - or indeed from my hand - in my church, that's rejection of us.
So you don't want the Catholic Church to change for you.
Rather, all you want is simply for the Catholic Church to change for you?
Do the Church's standards and expectations count for anything here?
yesAre you referring to Deuteronomy 5:6-9, by any chance?
'Entire parishes' and 'waves' LOLConsidering that entire parishes and waves of people took advantage of this becasue of what they saw going on within Anglicanism, I would say the Church did what She could, and many took advantage of Her offer.
Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth
In fairness, you can't do that in ANY church that practices closed communion. Including the LCMS church I attend.Until the day I can take communion alongside you in your church, and you can take communion alongside - or indeed from my hand - in my church, that's rejection of us.
My church welcomes anyone to communion.In fairness, you can't do that in ANY church that practices closed communion. Including the LCMS church I attend.
In fairness, you can't do that in ANY church that practices closed communion. Including the LCMS church I attend.
he dislikes images of him, it leads people to pray and adore an image, what is the point on playing too near to the cliff? is similar for a woman wearing to little clothes.Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth
-- Deuteronomy 5:8
Well, that seems pretty cut and dried, doesn't it? I certainly hope you don't have any photos of yourself, your family, your pet(s) or anything else. Otherwise... well, that would be an image and apparently those are always Double Plus Ungood.
If you have a cloud full of pics, now is the time to start emptying it out, eh?
For people who are familiar with churches that have no images and not with ones that do...it may seem as you say here.he dislikes images of him, it leads people to pray and adore an image, what is the point on playing too near to the cliff? is similar for a woman wearing to little clothes.
Um, no. And now you're subtracting from Sacred Scripture by claiming that Deuteronomy 5:8 only refers to God Himself. The verse specifies things in Heaven, on Earth and in the seas.he dislikes images of him, it leads people to pray and adore an image, what is the point on playing too near to the cliff? is similar for a woman wearing to little clothes.
So it's okay for the not-so-ordinary person to be tempted by church fixtures?But the truth of the matter is that having an image within sight does not at all make the ordinary person think of worshipping it.
If that unusual person is tempted by a stained glass window, he is likely to be tempted by the sight of a hundred other things that exist in ANY church, including items that none of us consider wrong to have there.So it's okay for the not-so-ordinary person to be tempted by church fixtures?
Couldn't this indicate that the violation of the commandment is not complete with out the worshipful adoration of the image? Just a question. Try to remain calm.Um, no. And now you're subtracting from Sacred Scripture by claiming that Deuteronomy 5:8 only refers to God Himself. The verse specifies things in Heaven, on Earth and in the seas.
Because of that, I imagine you have no photographs of yourself or your family. Because that would be a violation of scripture, yes?
Although, Exodus 25:18 shows a clear command from God to create graven images of cherubim (e.g., things in Heaven). Does that passage conflict with Deuteronomy 5:8, you think?
Now that's an interesting idea. If I follow the basic principle that it looks like you're suggesting, it seems that we should be more thoughtful about scripture and more careful in our analysis than making easy, snap judgments based on a single verse over and against the totality of Sacred Scripture.Couldn't this indicate that the violation of the commandment is not complete with out the worshipful adoration of the image? Just a question. Try to remain calm.
I was just trying to be somewhat subdued since you seem poised to pounce, lately. The idea of taking the commandment itself in its totality (as opposed to objecting to only the erecting of images) is no new notion to me.Now that's an interesting idea. If I follow the basic principle that it looks like you're suggesting, it seems that we should be more thoughtful about scripture and more careful in our analysis than making easy, snap judgments based on a single verse over and against the totality of Sacred Scripture.
If I'm interpreting you correctly, I must say that this is a kind of revolutionary idea and, if implemented, it could change the way Sacred Scripture is read and understood forever.
Very interesting idea. Good on you.
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