You should be careful because what it sounds like you are suggesting is that the account in the bible is not divinely inspired, but I may have misunderstood you.
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Epic of Gilgamesh?
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You should be careful because what it sounds like you are suggesting is that the account in the bible is not divinely inspired, but I may have misunderstood you.
Work on the use of proper English Sodoq. It's "there" not "their".
"Their" is a personal pronoun that is possessive. "There" is an adverb, it points to something. Try using those words properly.
Lastly hold to the Epic of Gilgamesh if you wish...but God's word will stand.
Wait and watch!
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Work on the use of proper English Sodoq. It's "there" not "their".
"Their" is a personal pronoun that is possessive. "There" is an adverb, it points to something. Try using those words properly.
Lastly hold to the Epic of Gilgamesh if you wish...but God's word will stand.
Wait and watch!
God didn't speak english he spoke Aramic , only people who speak english is the U.K / England americans speak a very bad doalect of broken english
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Wow...that makes a great point...
Did you know that God is omniscient Sodoq? He can speak any earthy language He desires.
Why do you think people from ALL NATIONS KINDREDS AND TONGUES are getting saved?
God understands every language! Stop being trivial! Language is HARDLY an issue. You may think there's some benefit to speaking Aramaic...there isn't.
How do you think God hears the prayers of the Chinese, American, African, Latin, Greek...etc.
Let me put it this way...there are no translators in heaven...
What do you think the gift of tongues was about? God miraculously gave the apostles the ability to spek languages unknown to them!!!
Have you red that? it's in Acts 2:5:10
5 Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven.
6 And when this sound occurred, the crowd came together, and were bewildered because each one of them was hearing them speak in his own language.
7 They were amazed and astonished, saying, Why, are not all these who are speaking Galileans?
8And how is it that we each hear them in our own language to which we were born?
9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,
10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the districts of Libya around Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretans and Arabswe hear them in our own tongues speaking of the mighty deeds of God.
Your point is not a point Sodoq! Sorry for the sarcasm, but your sceptical nature and trivial points deserve such a response.
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Wow...that makes a great point...
Did you know that God is omniscient Sodoq? He can speak any earthy language He desires.
Why do you think people from ALL NATIONS KINDREDS AND TONGUES are getting saved?
God understands every language! Stop being trivial! Language is HARDLY an issue. You may think there's some benefit to speaking Aramaic...there isn't.
How do you think God hears the prayers of the Chinese, American, African, Latin, Greek...etc.
Let me put it this way...there are no translators in heaven...
What do you think the gift of tongues was about? God miraculously gave the apostles the ability to spek languages unknown to them!!!
Have you red that? it's in Acts 2:5:10
5 Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven.
6 And when this sound occurred, the crowd came together, and were bewildered because each one of them was hearing them speak in his own language.
7 They were amazed and astonished, saying, Why, are not all these who are speaking Galileans?
8And how is it that we each hear them in our own language to which we were born?
9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,
10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the districts of Libya around Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretans and Arabswe hear them in our own tongues speaking of the mighty deeds of God.
Your point is not a point Sodoq! Sorry for the sarcasm, but your sceptical nature and trivial points deserve such a response.
Did the Christian God of the Bible ever come down to earth himself , Some Christian will say yes knowing I'm not talking about Yashu'a . Yahuwa son . However in Genesis 18 ; 21 , Where It States ; I will go down now , And see whether they have done altogether according to the Cry of it . Which is come unto me , And if not , I will know . < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible >
Why would The Almighty God have to come down to earth to see something Physically , Because the word used for '' See '' In Genesis 18 ; 21 , Is Ra'Ah - aramic - meaning '' To See , Look At , Inspect , Perceive , To Have Vision '' Which is the same word word used in Genesis 2 ; 19 , For Adam seeing - A physical Man , With physical eyes . Does this mean he had physical eyes ?
Genesis 2 ; 19 , Where It States ; And out of the Ground the LORD God formed every Beast of the field , and every fowl of the Air and brought them unto Adam to see what he Would Call them ; and whatsoever Adam called every living Creature that was the name thereof . < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible >
Why does he have to come down before he Knows Something ? Isn't he the All Knowing ? Shouldn't He Already Know ? And what place on Earth could '' God '' Who you Christians say created the whole world and has it in His Hands , Be coming from ? Then in ( Number 11 ; 16 - 17 ) , The God of the Bible tells Moses to hather Seeventy Elder of Israel together and to bring them to the Tabernacle of the congregation with him so that they can be with him , And he , The God of the bible , Would come down and talk with them .
Numbers 11 ; 16 - 17 , Where It States ; And the Lord said unto Moses , Gather unto me Seventy Men of the Elder of Israel , Whom thou knowest to be the Elders of the people , And ifficers over them ; And bring them unto the Tabernacle of the congregation , That they may stand there with thee . And I will come down and talk with thee there ; And I will take of the spirit which is upon thee , And put it upon them ; And they shall bear the burden of the people with thee , That thou bear it not thyself alone . < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible >
Why couldn't the God of the Bible make his Voice heard , The way Christians cliam his voiced came out of A Burning Bush in Exodus 3 ; 2 - 4 , Where It States ; And the Angel of the Lord appeared unto him in A Flame of Fire out of the Midst of a Bush ; And he looked , And , Behold , The Bush Burned with Fire , And the Bush was not consumed . And Moses said , I will not turn aside , And see this great sight why the Bush is not burnt . And then the Lord saw that he turned aside to see , God Called Unto Him Out Of The Midst Of The Bush , And Said , Moses , Moses , And He Said , Here Am I . < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible >
Why would God have to come down to earth to talk to man ? Why Couldn't he just put the ( Though Into His Head ) ? Is the God of the Christian Bible Omnipresent , Meaning everywhere at the same time , Most Christian will say yes . However , According to ( John 14 ; 2 ) the God of the Bible has A House with Mansions in it .
John 14 ; 2 , Where It States ; In My Father's House Are Many Mansion ; If It Were Not So , I Would Have Told You , I Go To Prepare A Place For You . < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible >
The Greek word used for '' House '' Is - Oikia - greek - Meaning '' Residence '' , But usually an Abode , Home Household . The Greek word used for '' Mansions '' Is - Mone - greek - meaning ''A Staying , Residence , Abode , Mansion '' . So if the God of the Christian Bible has a House , Or a residence then he can't be everywhere at the same tiome .
If God of the Christians Bible is in Heaven according to ( Luke 11 ; 2 , Matthew 5 ; 45 , Matthew 6 ; 9 , Mark 11 ; 25 ) And Heaven is inside some place , Then the God of the Christians Bible is within something that is inside something making the God of the Christians Bible ( Quite Small and Definitely not Omnipresent .
Luke 11 ; 2 , Where It States ; And he said unto them , When ye pray , say Our Father which art in Heaven Hallowed be thy name . Thy Kingdom come . Thy will be done , as in Heaven so in Earth . < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible >
Matthew 5 ; 45 , Where It States ; That ye May Be the Children of your Father which is in Heaven for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the Good and sendeth rain on the just and on the Unjust . < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible >
Matthew 6 ; 9 , Where It States ; After this manner therefore Pray ye ; Our Father which art in heaven , Hallowed Be thy Name . < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible >
Mark 11 ; 25 , Where It States ; And when ye stand praying , Forgive if have aught against any ; that your Father also which is in Heaven may forgive you your Trespasses . < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible >
According to Revelation 14 ; 17 Heaven has a temple in it . And the Greek word for '' Heaven '' is Ouranos - greek - which means '' Heaven '' , Air , Sky , The vaulted expanse of the sky with all things visible in it '' And the greek word used for '' Temple '' , Is Naos - greek - Meaning '' Temples , A Shrine , Used of the Temple at Jeruselum , But only of the sacred edifice ( Or Sanctuary ) Itself , Consisting of the holy place and the holy of the holies ( In Classical Greek It Is Used Of Sanctuary Of Cell Of The Temple , Where The Image Of God Was Placed Which Is Distinguished From The Whole Enclosure ) .
Revelation 14 ; 17 , Where It States ; And another angel came out of the temple which is in Heaven , he also having a sharp sickle . < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible >
And if Heaven has a Temple , And Heaven has Windows ( Genesis 7 ; 11 ) , And Doors as found in ( Revelation 4 ; 1 ) .
Genesis 7 ; 11 , Where It States ; In the six hundredth year of Noah Life in the second moth , the seventeenth day of the month , the same day Were all the fountains of the great Deep Broken Up and the Windows of Heavens were opened . < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible >
Revelation 4 ; 1 , Where It States ; After this I looked , and behold , a Door was opened in Heaven and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me ; which said , Come up hither , and I will show thee things which must be hereafter . < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible >
The Greek word used for '' Door '' Is '' Thura - greek - meaning '' Door , Gate , The Vestibule,
Used Of Any Opening Like A Door , An Entrance , Way Or Passage Into , '' Again , I repeat , If Heaven has Doors ,Then it has a Ceiling and Floors . And according to ( Psalm 11 ; 4 ) The God of the Bible in his Holy Temple , Where it says and I quote in part '' The Lord Is In His Holy Temple ... God can not be less than himself and if the God of the Bible Dwells in Temples , Then doesn't that mean that The Temple Is Bigger Than Him ?
Psalm 11 ; 4 , Where It States ; The LORD Is In His Holy Temple , The LORD Throne Is In Heaven His Eyes Behold His Eyelids Try The Children Of Men . < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible >
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You have no clue Sodoq. Do yourself a favor and read the bible....don't just cherry pick something you think makes your point.
You may be offended but this is the truth...you're quite cluless.
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The Sodoq Zacharias said:
I'm am confused what your motivation is here. Do you know this is a Christian forum? And we are here to uphold and teach Christian values and beliefs? I have no problem with challenging rooted systems but what you are doing is trying to discredit the authenticity of the bible and even God himself. What started as a discussion about the biblical account of Noah's ark contrasted with other accounts has now exposed a much greater agenda of what seems to have no end at discrediting the entire system of Christianity and its fundamentals. Whatever points you are trying to make are more broken than your english is. Your style is also curiously familiar like I've seen them before echoed under long banned names.
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The Sodoq Zacharias said:
Again I have no idea what you are saying. You need to either learn to speak english or get someone else who can write your posts.
Even if I try to correct the grammar it still doesn't make sense: "So your Bible was copied from other texts, what's the matter?" I still don't know what you are saying. It would be better for you to write in your own Language then I can use google translate to figure it out rather then deciphering your posts.
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That's what you may elect to call it..."excuses"...but let me clue you in on something...
The bible is God's word to us, and God used His prophets and apostles to write it by inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
Therefore Sodoq, you cannot approach the bible on your terms because you didn't write it.
You allow the bible to dictate it's terms as you would any other book.
So you can keep running with your own notions, or allow the scriptures to give you the terms.
Otherwise, your just another John Dominic Crossan speaking that which you know not!
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The Biblical and Koranic concept of God was created in ( The Hearts and Minds of their Authors and as these ( Authors ) Became ( Authentic ) Their documents became authentic and within the pages of their documents called ( Scriptures , God Was Born ) .
If you try to question a theologian or religion scholar on the subject of (God ) , And ask them not to use their ( Bible or Koran ) , They would not be able to do it . For it ws these ( Authors ) who made the opening statement in ( The Old Testament ) of the Hebrews or the so-called jews also called The Torah '' In The Beginning God ( Elohim ) Created The Heavens And The of '' Genesis 1 ; 1 ,
And In The Beginning Was The Word And The Word Was With God ( Thehos ) And The Word Was God ( Thehos ) , The Same Was In The Beginning With God ( Thehos ) And The Word Was God ( Thehos ) , The Same Was In The Beginning With God ( Thehos ) .All Things Was Made By Him And Without Him Was Not Anything Made That Was Made '' ,
In the New Testament of the Christian's ( John 1 ; 1-3 ) . And in the Koran 6 ; 1 of the Muslims you have '' Praises Be To God ( Allah ) Who Created The Heavens And The Earth ''
It was these Three Texts ( Old Testament , News Testament And The Koran ) Authored by men who say they were ( Inspired From On Hight To Teach Man Of A God ) Yet mediators were necessary as if God could not merely think his being into Everyone's Heart without ( The Stress and Strain of Religious Instruction .
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More nothingness Sodoq? You let each book stand on it's evidence so it comes down to this...
The bible is prophetic and not one prophecy has failed. It takes work to put them to the test.
Put in the work.
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