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Hi. I'm new here. I opened this thread to share ideas and techniques for survival during times of civil collapse, not for debate about the signs of the Apocalypse, Rapture, etc. ( plenty of room for that in other forums )

Think about your household right now. If you suddenly faced an indefinite period of no work and no travel, for whatever reason, and the power is shut off, how would you survive?

Or, to put it another way, what are the first household necessities that would cause you to risk sniper-fire to get to the supermarket and back? Kitty litter? TP? Eggs? Bread? Doritoes?
 

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Hi. I'm new here. I opened this thread to share ideas and techniques for survival during times of civil collapse, not for debate about the signs of the Apocalypse, Rapture, etc. ( plenty of room for that in other forums )

Think about your household right now. If you suddenly faced an indefinite period of no work and no travel, for whatever reason, and the power is shut off, how would you survive?

Or, to put it another way, what are the first household necessities that would cause you to risk sniper-fire to get to the supermarket and back? Kitty litter? TP? Eggs? Bread? Doritoes?

If it has gotten to the point of sniper fire outside, the supermarket has already been looted and they are probably not going to be getting anything more shipped in.
 
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If it has gotten to the point of sniper fire outside, the supermarket has already been looted and they are probably not going to be getting anything more shipped in.

Thank You!
 
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Hi. I'm new here. I opened this thread to share ideas and techniques for survival during times of civil collapse, not for debate about the signs of the Apocalypse, Rapture, etc. ( plenty of room for that in other forums )

Think about your household right now. If you suddenly faced an indefinite period of no work and no travel, for whatever reason, and the power is shut off, how would you survive?

Or, to put it another way, what are the first household necessities that would cause you to risk sniper-fire to get to the supermarket and back? Kitty litter? TP? Eggs? Bread? Doritoes?
You might want to think about posting "end of the world as we know it" stuff here:
Christian Preppers
 
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Your supermarket workers must be more dedicated than mine. My supermarket workers would be more concerned about their immediate families instead of braving sniper fire to provide goods and services to those that were unprepared and receive no compensation due to the collapsed Federal Reserve Note (fake money) monetary system.
 
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Why would the workers and not just random pedestrians or cars on the streets outside be the targets? Anyway my point was not to debate scenarios but to simply accept that a situation exists and then think about how to deal with it. Would you, for example, be able to keep an indoor cat in an urban apartment if you couldn't buy kitty-litter?
 
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Hi. I'm new here. I opened this thread to share ideas and techniques for survival during times of civil collapse, not for debate about the signs of the Apocalypse, Rapture, etc. ( plenty of room for that in other forums )

Think about your household right now. If you suddenly faced an indefinite period of no work and no travel, for whatever reason, and the power is shut off, how would you survive?

Or, to put it another way, what are the first household necessities that would cause you to risk sniper-fire to get to the supermarket and back? Kitty litter? TP? Eggs? Bread? Doritoes?
A good supply of water. Maybe in your scenario the water department might not have power to keep pumping. Even if the pressure only falls from time to time there can be contamination. If it's out you can't even flush the toilet. Surface water might be available, or it might be a long hike. Well water using a hand pump might be available, or not. Catching rainwater or using snow might work. But it would quickly become a big deal to have water to drink, to cook with, to bathe in. I would put a gallon of Chlorox bleach very high on the list of things to have on hand ahead of time. And knowing how many drops per gallon for how long a time to treat water will be critical. A filter would be easy enough to make, and you might already be set up with coffee filters that will do ok.

I learned about clean water when I was in the Peace Corps. I had access to a well where I had to pull rather turbid water up by bucket and rope. I then let it settle for a while, then ran it through a ceramic filter, poured the clear water into a kettle, and boiled it for 20 minutes. Then once it cooled I poured that into jugs. I drank about a gallon a day then as it was very hot, using the straight unboiled well water or rainwater for bathing. I saw lots of water borne disease but only had a few bouts of it myself.

I also learned, while hiding out during a coup, how little water is needed for a bucket bath. You should be able to bathe successfully using a two gallon bucket with enough left at the end to pour over your head at the end. Many people think they need a full bath or a long shower. Doesn't always work when the water is off. But staying clean is very important to prevent rashes and skin infections. We don't think much about that in our society, but we are only a few days away from it if the water goes out.

The prepper subforum is where you want to go for more of these questions. But I probably would never bother to look there as I don't consider myself a prepper.
 
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Why would the workers and not just random pedestrians or cars on the streets outside be the targets? Anyway my point was not to debate scenarios but to simply accept that a situation exists and then think about how to deal with it. Would you, for example, be able to keep an indoor cat in an urban apartment if you couldn't buy kitty-litter?

I remember there was a clumping litter that you would just scoop out the lumps and leave the rest of the litter. That seemed to maximize the length of time you needed between bags as opposed to clay litter. But eventually you will need something. I do know a guy who used dirt from his yard as litter and then threw it in his compost pile.
 
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A good supply of water. Maybe in your scenario the water department might not have power to keep pumping. Even if the pressure only falls from time to time there can be contamination. If it's out you can't even flush the toilet. Surface water might be available, or it might be a long hike. Well water using a hand pump might be available, or not. Catching rainwater or using snow might work. But it would quickly become a big deal to have water to drink, to cook with, to bathe in. I would put a gallon of Chlorox bleach very high on the list of things to have on hand ahead of time. And knowing how many drops per gallon for how long a time to treat water will be critical. A filter would be easy enough to make, and you might already be set up with coffee filters that will do ok.

I learned about clean water when I was in the Peace Corps. I had access to a well where I had to pull rather turbid water up by bucket and rope. I then let it settle for a while, then ran it through a ceramic filter, poured the clear water into a kettle, and boiled it for 20 minutes. Then once it cooled I poured that into jugs. I drank about a gallon a day then as it was very hot, using the straight unboiled well water or rainwater for bathing. I saw lots of water borne disease but only had a few bouts of it myself.

I also learned, while hiding out during a coup, how little water is needed for a bucket bath. You should be able to bathe successfully using a two gallon bucket with enough left at the end to pour over your head at the end. Many people think they need a full bath or a long shower. Doesn't always work when the water is off. But staying clean is very important to prevent rashes and skin infections. We don't think much about that in our society, but we are only a few days away from it if the water goes out.

The prepper subforum is where you want to go for more of these questions. But I probably would never bother to look there as I don't consider myself a prepper.


Good Advice! The preppers I know in Michigan are more concerned with killing the zombies or whatever is going to be trying to take their stuff than hygiene.
 
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Good Advice! The preppers I know in Michigan are more concerned with killing the zombies or whatever is going to be trying to take their stuff than hygiene.
Killing zombies might be more fun. Or more like a video game. But the mundane things are the more important. Water. Calories. Protein. Sanitation. Staying warm. Clean clothes. Good shoes. A working bicycle. A safe candle. Taking care of neighbors. Staying civilized.
 
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The clumping litter still leaves smell and some cats don't like it.
I have actually designed a completely recirculating kitty litter system and have been in using it successfully for a year.

It involves starting out with a big bucket (5gal) of beach sand. If you're already into re-using grey water, then you probably already use a plastic tub to save shower water.

Here is how my system works:

First, i line the litter-pan with a heavy flexible plastic sheet and dump a scoop of clean sand on it.

Each morning I scoop out the solids and pick up the edges of the sheet and pour the sand into a one-gallon pitcher. Then, still holding the sheet funnel-shaped in the pitcher, I take a smaller pitcher and pour water over it into the sand. Setting the plastic sheet aside, I pour more water into the pitcher from a height (pitcher is on floor near shower-tub) and then pour that water off into a bucket. I do this several times until the sand is rinsed clean. Then I dump the bucket of water into the toilet. Then pour the clean damp sand into a storage bucket that I leave in a sunny spot where it dries out. Replace the plastic sheet in the litter pan and pour in another scoop of sand. By the time the original bucket of clean sand is empty, the other bucket of rinsed sand is dry and can be switched with it.

I have been using this system for over a year and will never buy kitty litter again. It takes longer to read about it than to do it.
 
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