End Times View

[walt2000]

INTRODUCTION
I like to keep my victory on the top Read from bottom up .​

VISION OF IMAGERY EXPLAINED-------Rev.1/20​

CONQUERER OF DEATH----------------Rev.1/18​

VISION OF CHRIST--------------------Rev.1/13
VISION OF SEVEN CHURCHES----------Rev.1/11
VISION ON PATMOS-------------------Rev.1/9
VISION OF SECOND COMING-----------Rev.1/7
MESSAGE TO THE CHURCHES----------Rev.1/4​

THE SEVEN THUNDERS----------plus a hidden Eighth Thunder Rev.14/2
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In the SEVEN SEALS,1 st.THUNDER . we start with WHITE HORSE WINNER are Show en where the seals are .The horses are the four spirits that roam the earth.Then a Great Earth Quake (war).Look to Thunder No.7 same place same war.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In the THE SEVEN TRUMPETS 2 nd. THUNDER, just AFTER the great war ,the witnesses happen , in brackets ,to emphasize that area, the scenario of events.The last great effort of Gods people (the sealed) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The WITNESSES no.3 d. THUNDER ,TRINITY,are the sealed amplified.To show Gods people from the WHITE HORSE ( the First advent )to the(Second advent) SECOND WHITE HORSE
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The EARTH 4 th. THUNDER are the events that happen on this earth .In relation with the THREE BEASTS THAT ROAM the Earth.
1.THE EARTH .The Beast that we made of the holy spirit.
2.THE SEA .Beast that comes out of the countries. nations,and tongues
3 THE THREE ANGEL MESSENGER.----------------------------------------------------------
( The WORD 5 THUNDER)
The WORD 5 th. THUNDER is an amplification of Preaching to the world, and the Babylon that incurred.Then the winepress ,to separate the true Christians and Jews from the pulp. To get into Heaven.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The MAN 6th. THUNDER THUNDER No.6 The seven vials that is poured on mankind ,The blessed, are spared ,and then Heaven.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The DIVINE 7 th.THUNDER. The confusion that starts off with,with the harlot ,that makes war on his Church,The separation of His people ,(that winepress that is the same winepress that is in the Word thunder) Then the WHITE HORSE WINNER ,in heaven.
Then things which John seen in Heaven
Unless you are compelled to study this ,leave it alone .Read Rev.22/18 and underline Rev.22/19
At the out set you have to understand a little germ atria.
When ever you see a number the number means a word.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Horizontally = The elements
1 = life
2 = No second death
3 = Forgiveness.
4 = Power.
5 = White clothed.
6 =Protection.
7 = Throne.​

Vertically = Thunders
1 st. Thunder = Life,Thunder.
2 nd. Thunder = no second death,Thunder.
3 rd. Thunder = Forgiveness,Thunder.
4 th. Thunder = Power,Thunder.
5 th. Thunder = White ,Word,Thunder.
6 th. Thunder = Man,Protection,Thunder.
7 th. Thunder = Divine,Thunder.​

There are two White Horses.First Seal Re.6/1 and ending with the second White Horse winner.Re.19/11
If you draw a line across and join them ,You get a Eight Thunder.Re.14/2 The Great Thunder
REVELATIONS OF CHRIST TO JOHN-Rev.1/1
FIRST PAGE OF ELEVEN ELEMENTS-Rev.1/1-20
Revelation reveled,revelations proved ,Seven thunders to seven church's, It is that simple.
See chart below.
ANY BODY HAVE ANY GOOD REASON WHY EVERY THING LINES UP IN THE CHART ? all scripture is in order, and not me placing them in order ,to make my point.
Find your question vertically, in the Seven Thunders,and then find your answer horizontally .​

Next a little In gemartria ----------------------------------------------------------------​

Now back to the number that I could not get out of my head.
no.27027​

0 = a space no. that can be discarded
Remember the 0 is a spacer,and can be discarded,so what I get is as fallows
27072--------- 27 books in the bible come to revelations,
2+7- 0- 7+2
9- 0- 9 the spacer in gemartria can be removed so we get
9+9 then
18 then
9
In gemartria the number nine is,the number of Finality,,judgment,Fruit of the spirit, Divine completeness from the father
The two no.are basic to light and creation put the no.s together you get a palindrome-27072
and we have the lowest number evenly divisible by each other. Well in gemartria of the old test the number 27 is the number of light.
The Hebrew word for light adds up to 207 and multiplies to 12 since zeros are merely place holders it can be written in gemartria as 27.The same Hebrew word is sometimes translated Sun.The same Hebrew meaning to illuminate ,
now 72 =
New test word for seeds from Greek meaning ,that from life springs ,its bas the no.720 ,The title ,Lord God in Heaven also adds up to 72
he is from that life springs.
So Christ is the -- 27=light of the world
and.----------------72= lord god in heaven
light = lord god in heaven prophesy, also= revelations.
The making of the chart you may just as well just print them as given. It is a sequential use, of scripture.
As for its use .The vertical lines tell the events ,the horizontal lines explain the event.
If you have a particular question ? Find out where it is vertically on the chart then read the answer horizontally.Thunders 1,2,3,4,5,6,7
There are seven stories told from seven vantage points .it is a seven dimensional look in to the future of one event ,the church on earth.and it's redemption in heaven,The more you look at it the more you will see.Look at it All Then read my posts it explains each of the vertical lines.
More to come ​

 

[walt2000]

 

[get it right]

w2, don't you realise by now that no one seems to be interisted in the seemingly confusion that you post.
Yes I know you think Jesus gives me the plagues of revelation and takes me from the book of life for posting to you that you that I believe you are wrong, but that dosn't bother me in the least.

 

[walt2000]

SEVEN TIMES A WINNER
THUNDER No.1 Re.6-8/3
EVERLASTING LIFE​

The LAMB is able to open the SEALS, WHITE HORSE.
SEAL No. 7---------------------------------------------- silence in heaven.Christ wins
The sealed Re.7/17- the sealed ones, in their for heads.
SEAL No.6 -----------------------------------------------------------The no. of MAN
EARTH QUAKE look at the 6 th. trumpet,6 th.Promise
Re.6/12 look at the 6 th.Vial
SEAL No.5----------------------------------------------------- The no. of the WORD
SOULS ARE GIVEN look at the 5 th.trumpet
WHITE ROBES look at the 5 th. Promises
Re.6/9 look at the 5 th.Vial
SEAL No.4----------------------------------------------------- The no. of the EARTH
PALE look at the 4 th. trumpet
HORSE look at the 4 th. Promise
Re.6/7 look at the 4 th.Vial
SEAL No.3 -------------------------------------------------The no. of the WITNESSES
BLACK Look at the 3 rd.trumpet
HORSE Look at the 3 rd. Promise
Re.6/5 Look at the 3 rd.Vial
SEAL No 2 ----------------------------------------------------The no. of DIFFERENCE
RED look at the 2 nd. trumpet
HORSE look at the 2 nd. Promise
Re.6/3 look at the 2 nd. Vial
SEAL No.1------------------------------------------------- The no. of the LIGHT CHRIST
WHITE look at the 1 st. trumpet WITH A
HORSE look at the 1 st. Promise CROWN
Re.6/1 look at the 1 st. Vial SACRIFICE
WHITE HORSE look at same WHITE HORSE Re. 19/11

--------------SEVEN TIMES A WINNER THE 1st. THUNDER-----------------------
The LAMB is able to open the SEALS, WHITE HORSE, CHRIST
THIS IS A WINNER. NOT A LOSER
-----------------------------------------------------------------------​

THUNDER no.2 Re.8/4-11/19
NO SECOND DEATH
SEVEN TRUMPETS
Remember read this from the bottom up so we can keep the victory at the top.
TRUMPET NO.7 Re.11.15-------------------------------KINGDOOM IS THE LORDS​

THE WITNESSES Re.10/11/13 THIS THUNDER EXPLAINS
THUNDER NO.3-see next thunder
TRUMPET NO.6 Re.9/14--------------------------------------THE GREAT RIVER
TRUMPET NO.5 Re.19/4----------------------------PROTECTION OF THE SEALED
TRUMPET NO.4 Re.8/12------------------------------------SUN,MOON,SMITTEN
TRUMPET NO. 3 Re.8/10--------------------------------WORMWOOD IN WATER
TRUMPET NO.2 Re.8/8------------------------------BURNING MOUNTAIN IS SEA
TRUMPET NO.1 Re.8/7----------------------------HOLY CITY TREAD 1260 DAYS​

I HAVE GIVEN YOU THE SEVEN PROMISES AND TWO OF THE THUNDERS SO FAR ,DON'T YOU SEE A REPETITION OF EVENTS FORMING ,EVERY THING REPEATS IT SELF.OVER AND OVER.AND OVER AGAIN.
.KEEP THESE AND YOU CAN GLUE THESE SIDE BY SIDE. THE NEXT THUNDER WILL BE THUNDER NO.3 THE GREAT WITNESSES , THUNDER NO.3.KEEP A EYE ONE THE EVENTS SIDE BY SIDELIKE PROMISES
NO.5----------------------------------------------------GIVEN WHITE CLOTHING
LIKE SEALS-----NO.5----------------------------------------SOULS GIVEN ROBES
LIKE TRUMPET -----NO.5----------------------------PROTECTION OF THE SEALED
SEALED IN THEIR FOREHEADS ,NOT ON THEM.
THE NEXT WILL BE THUNDER NO.3 THE GREAT WITNESSES COMING OUT OF THE TRUMPETS ,TO BRACKET THAT AREA.,OR TO EMPHASIZE THE WITNESSES. JUST BEFORE THE COMING OF CHRIST.. (Remember read this up to have the victory at the top)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
THUNDER No.3 REV.10-11/13
FORGIVENESS
TRINITY THUNDER 3*3*3=27
WITNESSES Re.10-11/13
7. MAN GAVE GLORY TO GOD--------------------
-----------------------------------------------------
6. EARTH QUAKE -----------------------Re.11/13
-----------------------------------------------------
5. COME UP MY PEOPLE---------------- Re.11/12
-----------------------------------------------------
4.GOD ENTERS WITNESSES------------- Re.11/11
-----------------------------------------------------
3. BEAST WILL MAKE WAR--------------- Re.11/7
-----------------------------------------------------
2. WITNESSES WILL PROPHESY---------- Re.11/3
-----------------------------------------------------
1. HOLY CITY TREAD FOR 1260 DAYS ----Re.11/1​

(Remember this comes out of the thunder no.2 bracketing the witnesses)this has to do with the trinity people. FATHER,SON,AND HOLY SPIRIT HARVEST TIME CHRISTIANS.
Remember read up VICTORY IS TO THE TOP AND KEEP AN EYE ON THE NUMBERS 1 UNITY,2 UNITED,3 TRINITY,4 EARTH,5 WORD,6 NO. OF MAN,7 WHITE HORSE DIVINE,
These are winners with Christ.
Rev. 10:6 And swear by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
THUNDER No.4 REV.12-15
POWER OVER NATIONS
THE EARTH THE GRAPE VINTAGE Re.14/18
7. THE GRAPE VINTAGE Re.14/18-----------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
6. SON OF MAN WITH CLOUD Re.14/14------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
5. THE BLESSED Re.14/13 CHRISTIAN'S------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4. THREE ANGEL MESSENGERS, ARE THUNDER----------------------------
NO.5 (,WAIT) FOR IT, THE NEXT THUNDER THE WORD ON EARTH
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3. BEAST OUT OF THE EARTH Re.13/11-=--4=EARTH----------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2. BEAST OUT OF THE SEA Re.13/1---------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. THE DRAGON,THE WOMAN ,THE CHILD Re.12/1-------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
See how the numbers fit. in the right spot vertically,through out the other thunders . well when you line them up horizontally they also fit.and they start with a WHITE HORSE AND END WITH A WHITE HORSE.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
THUNDER No.5
CLOTHED IN WHITE REV.14/6-15/5​

NO.5 IS THE NUMBER OF CHRISTS WORD
THE EARTH AND IS A ADJUNCT TO
THUNDER No.4 REV.12-15
IT IS A BRACKETED PART OF THUNDER NO.4
SHOWING EMPHASES ON THE WORD
Re.14/6-15/5
NO.7 IN HEAVEN Re.15/1
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
THE WINE PRESS remember ,the grape vintage in ------thunder no.7
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
NO.6 SUN OF MAN AND SICKLE ------NO.OF MAN
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
NO.5 -3rd ANGEL DO NOT WORSHIP THE BEAST
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
NO.4 -2nd ANGEL BABYLON
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
NO.3 -HAS FALLEN Re.14/8
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
NO.2 -1st. ANGEL PREACHING TO
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
NO.1 -THE WORLD Re.14/6
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Can you see the progression from bottom to the top.
with the wine press and then the winner.​

 

[walt2000]

THUNDER No.6 REV.15/6-16 MAN
PROTECTION
Re,15/6-16
VIAL NO.7 IT IS DONE IN HEAVEN---------------------------- Re.15/6-16
THE BLESSED, SAME SPOT AS WINE PRESS,AND SEALED-----------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------
VIAL NO.6 THE GREAT RIVER--------------------------------- Re.16/12
LOOK AT SAME SPOT THUNDER NO.6 GREAT RIVER-------------- Re.9/14
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
VIAL NO.5 DARKNESS ON THE BREAST ----------------NO.5 IS THE WORD
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
VIAL NO.4 SUN,HEAT,BURN MEN ---------------------------------Re.16/8
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
VIAL NO.3 BLOOD ON THE WATER ,Re.16./4,LOOK TO WORMWOOD IN WATER.Re.8/10
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
VIAL NO.2 BLOOD ON THE SEA-.Re.16/3 ,LOOK TO BURNING MOUNTAIN CAST IN TO THE SEA Re.8/8
----------------------------------------------------------------------
VIAL NO.1 BOILS ON THE BEAST-------------------------------- Re.16/2
-----------------------------------------------------------------------


I SUPPOSE YOU HAVE TROUBLE WITH THE UP WARD--------------------- PROGRESSION OF THIS ,TO A VICTORY AT THE TOP.-
THE DIVINE ,THUNDER No.7 REV.17-20
THRONE
VICTORY AT LAST Re.17-20
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------7. THE WHITE HORSE, WINNER,CROWNS RE.19/11 SEVEN---- THUNDERS END WITH A WHITE HORSE ,AS YOU KNOW-------- THEY STARTED WITH A WHITE HORSE-Re.6/1
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WINE PRESS ,REMEMBER WINE PRESS IN THUNDER NO.5
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------6.MAKE WAR Re.19/11 REM BER TWO GREAT RIVERS Re.9/14 AND Re.16/12,AND TWO EARTH QUAKES Re.6/12 AND Re.11/13
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------5.COME UP MY PEOPLE Re.18/4-Re.19/9 LOOK AT COME UP----- MY PEOPLE Re.11/12 THUNDER NO.7 AND THUNDER NO.3-
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4 & 3 BABYLON HAS FALLEN Re.18/1,COM PAIR TO BABYLON HAS FALLEN Re.14/8 HAY THEY ALSO LINE UP
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------2 & 1 MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT harlot Re.17/1 LINE UP TO 1 ST. ANGEL PREACHING TO THE WORLD Re.17/1
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
THE DIVINE, ALL LINE UP AT THE START OF SEVEN THUNDERS​

START WHITE HORSE END Re.6/1,CHRIST IS THE WINNER WHITE HORSE END Re.19/11.-------THERE ARE YOUR SEVEN THUNDERS------ REM BER READ FROM BOTTOM---------------- UP.VICTORY AT THE TOP. THE REST IS EASY IF YOU CAN NOT UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU IN BAD SHAPE.
Can you find all that in revelations with out using another book in the bible or not ,now explain the revelations 10.and use revelations 22/18 as the only rule
Ask any body,(that Say's he is a prophet of Rev.) if they can interpret Rev.10, and tell you what the SEVEN THUNDERS said to the church's, if they can, then they are worth listening to, if they can not, then leave them alone ,they are false prophets.They all commit the same sin ,They have to fallow Revelation 22/18-20 if not ,they are condemned.To the plagues of Rev.
Kings .
You mentioned Kings It reminds me of a Dream I had some forty years or so ago.
That bothered me, for a longest time.
I got out of bed, there was a clatter in the front of our new home we had just built .There were windows right to the peak of the house,a little gray bird was caught in the sharp Peek at the top of the roof. I got up to that area and there was a another bird, but much larger,and purest of white, it had it's wings wrapped around the little bird,protecting it.
I was wondering why this was happening. I ran out side in my shorts, to get a closer look,and try to see what was bothering the birds. Well ,When I got outside there was a large black long cloud, in front and behind the house, from horizon to horizon, east to west. .It was a cigar shaped ,the cloud bothered the little gray bird and it was in a panic.
I yelled at the top of my lunges,ANGELA look at this,, is this something or what ,Well we were in bed and my wife was still asleep,we were both there in shock looking at each other.
Well, that' not the funny part of the story. About two or three years after,a minister ripped a page out of bible,and gave the page to me, and he said that there was some thing on this page ,that will straighten something out, and ,that it has been bothering me.
From the start of the dream to the expiation of the dream took over two years.
So I think God can be in control of a few numbers in the bible. I told that dream to a lot of people and this guy never heard of it ,and he was right on . P.S STRANGE OR WHAT​

 

[walt2000]

Revelations is not for the Jew .It is for the Christian. If it was for the Jew, it would have been given to Moses. It is a summation of the whole bible.The bible explains Revelations,and revelations confirms the whole bible.Given to Christians.
I baptize you with water (living word) of God, but he who comes after me, baptizes you with the holy spirit (the spirit of the living god)and with fire (the sight of his second coming).
The Jew missed the first coming, but they will see, hear,and feel his next coming.

The bible was not written as a single book .Revelations , was, and is to be read as one book, by it self, man placed it at the end of bible, that is why the devil turns the word of god in to a harlot making a lot of harlots. Read thunder no. 4 Rev.12-15
Read the dragon and the water the dragon vomits after the woman with child. polluting the true word of God .
The Seven Thunders
Starts a winner and crown ,White Horse ,Christ.
Ends a winner and man with, White Horse , Christ.

Note the two Babylon's ,in the same order horizontally
The two wine-presses
The divine winner at top
The come up, and the come out my ( Christ's ) people.

All Scripture is consecutive and in order. Not moved or placed to make a story come out.
Note the Seal numbers ,line up with the Trumpets, and vials.

Seven Consecutive Stories to the Seven Churches

In the Book of Revelation there were:
The 7 letters to ,
The 7 Churches.
The 7 Seal Judgments.
The 7 Trumpet Judgments.
The 7 Bowl Judgments.
The 7 Golden Lamp stands.
The 7 Stars.
The 7 Angels.
The 7 Spirits of God .
The 7 Horns and 7 Eyes With the Lamb.
The 7 Lamps of Fire.
The 7 Thunders.
The 7 heads and ,
The 7 Crowns.With the Fiery Red Dragon.
The 7 heads Leopard-Like Beast .
The 7 heads Scarlet-Colored Beast .
The 7 Mountains.
The 7 Kings

P.S. There seems to be a lot of end time talk , coming from certain Christian Religions ,I wouldn't take to much credence in them. As far as I remember I was through a lest five or six extinctions now ,Christ Him self will show you the sign's ,It is not the End time Yet.No end Time yet.
There will not be a end time for us,there will be a New Day,The Eighth Day .After the
The eighth Thunder,Re,14/2.
Eight = a new beginning.
-----------This again, I have to say---------
This proves everybody is wrong ,and misleading ,The Babel which is Babylon.And no other prophesy compares to this.All are fables to mislead.

The left behind books, and movie, are a joke,of jokes, and an insult to man's intelligence.
This will I know make every body a bit mad
.
I ,in thirty five +- 5 years , have not seen anything that compares to this.
A LITTLE GERMATRIA
The rewards are great You will be able to enter the gates in to the holy city The city that is built on the number 12
12 gates
12 foundation'
12x12 or 144 the thickness of the walls,
the length of the walls ,the height of the walls,every thing is based on the No.12
Remember the 144,000 a mult. of 12 with a mega number.narrow is the gate, not every body will be able to enter, this open gate.There will be people with out ,trying to get in
The apostles asked we follow you ,what in it for us.The answer was.Don't you know that during the regeneration you will judge the 12 tribes of Israel.
That's why you have to watch what you do to Revelations It's in the number 12,000 stadia .The 12,000 has to stay 12,000 It an allegory,meant to put emphases on the no.12.Not 15.And I myself don't think I would like to be an immortal in all that gold.
Personally I like where I am. In the hills, a stream nearby, green trees of all sorts, rose's ,natural flowers, animals, deer, bison and clear air to breath.

Write to the angel of the church in Philadelphia and say, "Here is the message of the holy and true one who has the key of David, so that when he opens, no one will close, and when he closes, no one will open: I know about your activities. Look, I have opened in front of you a door that no one will be able to close-
Now go through this, open door ,and where doe's john end up?
Yes he passes over the things which are(the seven thunders) and he go's to the things which shall be here after.Here after what? Hereafter The seven thunders .
john is in spirit ,in the things which shall be here after
End of story, for now he was in the prologue,went through the open door and over the duologue in spirit into the hereafter the epilogue
Then, and only then does he start the SEVEN THUNDERS
THAT'S NOT SO HARD IS IT?
REMEMBER KEEP THE NUMBERS OF THE PROMISES IN MINED The 1 ,2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 they all mean something in gemartria.​

 

[walt2000]

Jesus was a Jew, The early Christians where Jews, if not predominantly. It would make sense that they would keep this system of numerical science. Unless they kept it a secret, why is it not talked about? I'm not refuting it, but i don't know if I'm allowed, your going to half to give me a couple of days to read in to it more thoroughly so i can get to grips with what your trying to explain. Its still not clear to me what your trying to express
But i agree that John may have used a numerical system to keep things secret from the oppressors of his time. It would make sense that he would keep certain information under a veil so that the enemy could not understand. But those select few, who are trained in the crafts of Johns numerical system would understand.
It would be hard for people to believe this, but i see it as a strong possibility.
Well, I can show you that man, never put the code into revelations ,It came right out of the mouth of God.
Before john even heard it, to WRITE any thing down.Yes standing in front of Christ,to john , the code came out of the mouth of Christ, One word at a time, mankind didn't try to hide anything because they did' even know that they EVEN had anything to hid. ???
But you have to have patience,I have to work it back words to show you the start. AND THAT MAKES CHRIST RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NUMBERS NOT THE JEW.
I think every thing is truth, in the bible, and he makes it known to us When the time is right.
In Dan.he is told to seal up the words of the scroll the time is not yet.and in Rev. he is told to open the scroll the time is near. Is that a contradiction.

If I gave you a key to your house, and it opened it,, would you tell me that that was the wrong key.
OK, let me hand you a key, and we will see if it opens the door.but you have to trust that I'm led by the holy spirit.Would you like to receive this key?
In my years of study I threw what I was getting in the dump at least three times, I had to rewrite it over and over again, I could not get it out of my head,If that's not harassment I don't know what is .If you were here my wife would tell you what I went through.
Would You let me Prove my self.?
0N THE NUMBER 27072
27 IS THE NUMBER OF LIGHT
Light in Hebrew adds to 207 the 0 can be eliminated leaving 27
in Hebrew, to illuminate
270 our god also adds up to72 there for it means to ILLUMINATE OUR GOD SIMPLE WRIGHT
o.k.Here goes' You will have you participate a bit.It will sound strange .But you are a hard nut.
Make a ribbon one inch wide, and enough length to handle 72 one inch squares, can you do that, I want you to make 72 one inch squares on it .doe's that sound anti Christ to you?
72 is the number of enlightenment.
IGNORANCE breeds ignorance, I don't under stand, there for it doe,s not exist.Wow, now that was a reaction, It'll take me a few day's to read up on this stuff It It ,is all is quite interested ,and thanks for the support , I was getting to think that (catholicity) was at a stand down.or is that a word?
Remember that bad word 27072 stuff, well I just heard that the brain wave activity is set at 72 MHz
That 72 seems to pop up every where.
Another thing the three score and ten is 70, that is one degree of the solar equinox which is 70x365=25,550 thousand years in gemartria it work's to 2555 or 20555
2=witnessing
0 a space that can be put in,or taken
5=grace,-god's goodness the first 5 book's of the Pentateuch
and when you see a number cubed polyhedral like 777 or 666 or 555or333 it means with emphasis on the number.
9
999 is the same thing 27=9+9+9

The seals,trumpets,witnesses.earth,word,man ,harlot all line up.
The thunders start with a white horse. and they end with a white horse.
You' the one, of the few, that seen this, in just less then 2000 years.can you See how one explains the other.
The one's that tried to stop me, were other Christians. I had a lot things, happen, that made me through this in the garbage many times, they would say why bother, that 's not going to get you in heaven it's that kind of discouragement .They don't know how to understand their Rev.So they tried to discourage what I was doing.


6= man ,under the curse of sin
666 is a reproduction of Man the father man the son and man the holy ghost
777 = God the father,and god the son god the holy ghost
7= the number of Christ
5=grace
6= number of man
7= Christ
8=new birth
Well, this may or may not have been the intention of the writer. However, in Arabic, numbers translated into letters, and the number 666 that was on the beast's head translates literally into "Nero Caesar". As you probably know, Nero was a Caesar who was insane. His remains were exhumed and studied and we can now attribute this to mental illness, I believe caused by mercury consumption. At any rate, he persecuted and killed Christians, and it is thought as a result of his number being present that Revelations may have actually been a political commentary
.Miss intrepid.They also added it up to be the, Vikings,the pope..Hitler,and so on, and so on.
Nero Caesar"
was put in there to blame, the burning of Rome , on a new religion
that was gaining ground. the new religion was preaching of the destruction of Rome.​

 

[walt2000]

Thunder no.4 no,of EARTH
POWER
read Re.12-15
beast come,s out of the earth.just before the 3 angel messengers
PREACHING TO THE WORLD ,BABYLON HAS FALLEN,DO NOT WORSHIP THE BEAST
it lines up with
thunder no.7 Re.17-20
THE MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT harlot ,BABYLON HAS FALLEN ,Any body, see the similarities, between the two stories ?
like the 2 nd.angel DO NOT WORSHIP THE BEAST
And the Re.18/4-19/9 COME OUT MY PEOPLE just before the sun of man and SICKLE & MAKE WAR Re.19/11
and the winepresses .Then the in heaven, in Re15/1 and the white horse winner in Re.19/11
BY THE WAY, DO YOU SEE ,THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME WINEPRESS
How about the two Babylons has fallen Re.14/8 and the one in Re.18/1.
YOU GUYS ARE MAKEING DAY EASY TODAY
Re.16/13.....mouth of the dragon......................(earth).........6
...................beast mouth of the......................(sea)............6
..................beast.mouth of the ..........…….........(harlot)........6
There is a lot of dog doe in the field, watch where you put your feet.
read Re12-15 THE THUNDER NO.4
WOMAN BEAST, PEOPLE SEEM TO MISS THIS ONE,harlot.
BEAST OUT OF THE SEA
BEAST OUT OF THR EARTH
Yes there is the woman beast, that turns in to a harlot, the false prophet.RELIGION GONE BAD .BABYLON THE GREAT harlot
That is the same cop-out the prods. use when you ask them to
explain rev. 10 and Dan. little scroll ,they know not of what they talk.There for it not for you to know.God tells you something and then tells you it is not for you to know.Did you hear of any thing more ridiculous?
And there is a special blessing for those who figure it out.
in the old test read the eating of the scroll and com pair it to revelation #10/ then go to , Eat scroll in eze.3/ on, then to Dan.12/-----all
the same scroll you think that he mentions it in over three places ? and then Say's it's not for you to know. Explain Rev.10 and you have the seven thunders.
explain Rev.10 ,and compare it to the little scroll in the end of Dan.
Some people on this thread do not seem to do their home work a little help with a few good books would help. as a suggestion only ,extra reading . books like
1. Germ atria------------words,numbers of God.
2. Numbers and their meanings. and their use and meanings of
1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 10,12.12x12.trinity of 333,666,777,888,
3. Germ atria and how it works.
4. God as a mathematician
5.bible , basic on numbers
6. Dr. Ivan Pain's bible numeric's.
7.number in scripture by. E.W.Bullinger.
8. And that is just a few Prod. books ,There are catholic seminarian material
9. Bonnie Gaunt has a few books to read ,a bit far out but interesting
This list go's on and on. There is a lot of reading out there.some good, and some,fair,and some not so good reading
Dr. Scott,------- Newton,--------Einstein,------------ Hawkins, and others.had good points
This has nothing to do with numerology .Just numbers and their different uses in the bible.Walt2000 Galileo and others were rejected should we Catholics reject all ?Let us give it a chance,before writing all off as garbage.
Or will this thread be drop ed.Through ignorance,because it do's not agree with our ignorance.
Prostitute Church's are having a field day .they think they have god in their hip pocket.Well they are in for a surprise.The great day is not doom and gloom In my interpretation.It'll be a day of JOY,
SEAL NO. 7 Re .8/1 SILENCE IN HEAVEN
TRUMPET NO.7 Re.11/15 KINGDOM IS THE LORDS
MAN GIVES GLORY TO GOD Re.11/13
THE GRAPE VINTAGE Re.14/18
IN HEAVEN Re.15/1
VIAL NO.7 Re.16/17 IT IS DONE
THE WHITE HORSE WINNER Re.19/19
THAT IS THE END OF THE SEVEN THUNDERS
God clapped his hands and every atom was made, that was to be made, and the universe is still making ,and remaking it self. The universe is expanding and expanding it self. with out end .God is alpha and omega.and infinity.
revelation = 72
3x3x3 cubed= 27 trinity
6,6,6 = trinity of man
7,7,7 = trinity of Christ
8,8,8 = trinity of god
27 = prophecy = 0 = space 72 = revelation

THINGS THU SEEN

THINGS WHICH ARE
SEVEN THUNDERS
1 =seals ...................……………………...….....….......……......thunder 1
2 =trumpets............................………………..………..……......thunder 2
3 =trinity............................…………………………...…….........thunder 3
Four Spirits-] Four=spirits
[- That Roam--] no. of Earth
4 =earth.................................……………………………............thunder 4

5 =word...............................................……............................thunder 5 five =prophesy
6 =man...................................…….........................................thunder 6 man confusion
7 =Christ..............................................................................thunder 7 the Divine
---------------------THINGS WHICH SHALL BE HEREAFTER---------------------
--------------------------------Re.10 ANY BIBLE---------------------------------
Seven thunders of re.10 the little scroll eat, sweet to the mouth ,sourer to the stomach.
2 = unity
7 =Christ
27=unity with Christ = revelation72
THUNDER no.2 Re.8/4-11/19
NO SECOND DEATH
SEVEN TRUMPETS

Remember read this from the bottom up so we can keep the victory at the top.
​

 

[walt2000]

TRUMPET NO.7 Re.11.15-------------------------KINGDOOM IS THE LORDS
THE WITNESSES Re.10/11/13 THIS THUNDER EXPLAINS
THUNDER NO.3-----see next thunder-------------------------------------------
IT SHOWS YOUR THINKING.----------------------------2 =-UNION ( EXAMPLE JEW'S & CHRISTIANS)
UNION OF OIL AND WINE , in the mass.grafting of the olive and grape tree to make one
1,000=----------------------------------------------------- A MEGA NUMBER an mult.10000 x10000 and thousands of thousands a mult. mega number.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------TRUMPET NO.6 Re.9/14------------------------------THE GREAT RIVER
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------TRUMPET NO.5 Re.19/4------------------PROTECTION OF THE SEALED
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TRUMPET NO.4 Re.8/12---------------------------SUN,MOON,SMITTEN
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TRUMPET NO. 3 Re.8/10-----------------------WORMWOOD IN WATER
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TRUMPET NO.2 Re.8/8---------------------BURNING MOUNTAIN IS SEA
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TRUMPET NO.1 Re.8/7-------------------HOLY CITY TREAD 1260 DAYS
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------​

THE SEVEN PROMISES AND TWO OF THE THUNDERS SO FAR ,DON'T YOU SEE A REPETITION OF EVENTS FORMING ,EVERY THING REPEATS IT SELF.OVER AND OVER.AND OVER AGAIN.​

KEEP THESE AND YOU CAN GLUE THESE SIDE BY SIDE. THE NEXT THUNDER WILL BE THUNDER NO.3 THE GREAT WITNESSES , THUNDER NO.3.
KEEP A EYE ONE THE EVENTS SIDE BY SIDELIKE PROM. ...............NO.5-----------------------------GIVEN WHITE CLOTHS
LIKE SEALS..……………………………………………………………………………….…..….NO.5----------------SOULS GIVEN ROBES
LIKE TRUMPET…………………………………………………………………………….….. NO.5----------------------------------------PROTECTION OF THE SEALED,SEALED IN THEIR FOREHEADS ,NOT ON THEM.​

THE NEXT WILL BE THUNDER NO.3 THE GREAT WITNESSES COMING OUT OF THE TRUMPETS ,TO BRACKET THAT AREA.,OR TO EMPHASIZE THE WITNESSES. JUST BEFORE THE COMING OF CHRIST.. (Remember read this up to have the victory at the top)​

The rewards are great You will be able to enter the gates in to the holy city The city that is built on the number 12 .
12 gates
12 foundation'
12x12 or 144 the thickness of the walls,
the length of the walls ,the height of the walls,every thing is based on the No.12
Remember the 144,000 a mult. of 12 with a mega number.narrow is the gate, not every body will be able to enter, this open gate.There will be people with out ,trying to get in
The apostles asked we follow you ,what in it for us.The answer was.Don't you know that during the regeneration you will judge the 12 tribes of Israel.
Write to the angel of the church in Philadelphia and say, "Here is the message of the holy and true one who has the key of David, so that when he opens, no one will close, and when he closes, no one will open: I know about your activities. Look, I have opened in front of you a door that no one will be able to close-
Now go through this, open door ,and where doe's john end up?
Yes he passes over Th's things which are(the seven thunders) and he go's to the things which shall be here after.Here after what? Hereafter The seven thunders .
john is in spirit ,in the things which shall be here after
REMEMBER KEEP THE NUMBERS OF THE PROMISES IN MINED The 1 ,2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 they all mean something in gemartria. ON THE NUMBER 27072
27 IS THE NUMBER OF LIGHT
Light in Hebrew adds to 207 the 0 can be eliminated leaving 27
in Hebrew, to illuminate
270 our god also adds up to there for it means to ILLUMINATE OUR GOD SIMPLE WRIGHT
That's why you have to watch what you do to Revelations It's in the number 12,000 stadia .The 12,000 has to stay 12,000 It an allegory,meant to put emphases on the no.12.Not 15.And I myself don't think I would like to be an immortal in all that gold.
Personally I like where I am. In the hills, a stream nearby, green trees of all sorts, rose's ,natural flowers, animals, deer, bison and clear air to breath.
Yes
You,r right God in his wisdom, will only give you what you can handle,The devil on the other hand will try to steal that what is truth away, and confuse you until you go mad. The devil will work on you're weakness's and indecision .He will take any basis of life you have, and When you have no worth you're at his level.
.When he takes your self worth away you're, worthless, and that makes him a winner.​

Jesus was a Jew, The early Christians where Jews, if not predominantly. It would make sense that they would keep this system of numerical science. But i agree that John may have used a numerical system to keep things secret from the oppressors of his time. It would make sense that he would keep certain information under a veil so that the enemy could not understand. But those select few, who are trained in the crafts of Johns numerical system would understand.
It would be hard for people to believe this, but I see it as a strong possibility.
Well, I can show you that man, never put the code into revelations ,It came right out of the mouth of God.
Before john even heard it, to WRITE any thing down.Yes standing in front of Christ,to john , the code came out of the mouth of Christ, One word at a time, mankind didn't try to hide anything because they didn't, even know that they EVEN had anything to hid.
But you have to have patience,I have to work it back words to show you the start. AND THAT MAKES CHRIST RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NUMBERS NOT THE JEW.
Christ made a Miracle. that all the ,theological big boy's had never even thought of.No not in around 2000 years,Now that we are about halfway, I can show you some thing completely different in revelations.
2 = union + with 7 = Christ
2 +7 = Germ atria = union with Christ
20 +7 = 27​

72
9 = No. RELATED TO No. 6
8 = NEW BEGINNING
7 = No. OF CHRIST
6 = No. OF MAN
72 = REVELATION
9 X8 = 72
9 VERTICAL STRIPS OF 8 ELEMENTS =72

I gave you this before , This gives it a diffrent spin.​

 

[walt2000]

7 X 8 = 56 = GRACE IN MAN
7 VERTICAL STRIPS = No. of CHRIST
8 HORIZONTAL STRIPS = 8 GERMATRIA FOR A NEW DAY
7 = CHRIST X 8 EVERYTHING NEW = 56
50 = GRACE = MAN 6 No.
56 = GRACE IN GOD
5 + 6 = 11 DISORGANIZATION, IMPERFECTION.
1+1 = 2 UNION No. GOD
1 = GOD'S No.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Note.: Both St. Jerome and Pope St.Gregory the Great wrote extensively about Germ atria and it's significance in Scripture.
Sir Isaac Newton wrote more about germ atria and numbers in scripture then he did about the theory of Gravity.( Significance of numbers in scripture )QUOTE
You know what people are doing,Their turning Revelations in to a big laugh.
Their taking Christ's word and making it into a point of ridicule.​

THUNDER no.2 Re.8/4-11/19
NO SECOND DEATH
The rewards are great You will be able to enter the gates in to the holy city The city that is built on the number 12 .
12 gates
12 foundation'
12x12 or 144 the thickness of the walls,
the length of the walls ,the height of the walls,every thing is based on the No.12
Remember the 144,000 a mult. of 12 with a mega number.narrow is the gate, not every body will be able to enter, this open gate.There will be people with out ,trying to get in
The apostles asked we follow you ,what in it for us.The answer was.Don't you know that during the regeneration you will judge the 12 tribes of Israel.
Write to the angel of the church in Philadelphia and say, "Here is the message of the holy and true one who has the key of David, so that when he opens, no one will close, and when he closes, no one will open: I know about your activities. Look, I have opened in front of you a door that no one will be able to close-
Now go through this, open door ,and where doe's john end up?
Yes he passes over Th's things which are(the seven thunders) and he go's to the things which shall be here after.Here after what? Hereafter The seven thunders .
john is in spirit ,in the things which shall be here after​

If I gave you a key to your house, and it opened it, would you tell me that, that was the wrong key.
By seeing all these keys,and not opening Revelations, you are telling me ,Yes and Christ ,that you are indeed blind ,and doing Christ and yourself a disservice.
We have the interpretation, staying in Revelation. Re.22/18 Now for the proof in the Jewish Germ atria walt2000
THE RIBBON CODE
When I say that you can't add ,or take away From this book it is because the book is in a code.Yes it is in a code.A string, or a ribbon ,of sorts of 72 elements .Look at the gemartria for the number 72 or 27.or 27072.
The right Elements, everything has it's place on this ribbon ,coming out of the mouth of GOD, it is a continuous ribbon .If you add a space or take an element out, or put an element in, you brake the code .Yes. you have to take the italics out,the parts ,that man inserted.The space's,yes ,even the bible references.It has to be a continuous string of words out of the mouth of GOD..Then and only, then ,the work starts.
When you have the right elements,and in the same order,,the ribbon wraps around and around it self to make a roll .Like a empty cardboard roll of paper, A cylinder.A scroll .
Now, Doe's that sound fantastic, in the shape of a scroll , Not unlike the scroll that Dan.in his visions ate ,And not unlike the scroll that John ate.When you have this scroll you have to cut it in the right place and every thing lines up seven times.Seven thunders .Sound like a mad man ,ask CHRIST .I did not make this I only found it.
And as for the first question ,yes the bible is relevant ,I must have read it over and over ,and then over again.I Wore It out and wore out three more.
You have to know the old ,and the new ,to know the last.But you can not try to shape it ,it will shape it self.Your scroll has to agree with old and new testaments.Or your work is for not.
I'm not sure you will not want to speak to me again. [Mod Edit: deleted personal e-mail address]
If you find this deep, then you should see the seventy pages I have to prove what I just said .​

2 = union + with 7 = Christ
2 +7 = Germ atria = union with Christ
20 +7 = 27
72
9 = No. RELATED TO No. 6
8 = NEW BEGINNING
7 = No. OF CHRIST
6 = No. OF MAN
72 = REVELATION
9 X8 = 72
9 VERTICAL STRIPS OF 8 ELEMENTS =72
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------9X8 = 72 Germ atria no. of Revelation.

7 VERTICAL STRIPS X 8 HORIZONTAL STRIPS
7 X 8 = 56 = GRACE IN MAN
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------7 VERTICAL STRIPS = No. of CHRIST
8 HORIZONTAL STRIPS = 8 GERMATRIA FOR A NEW DAY
7 = CHRIST X 8 EVERYTHING NEW = 56
50 = GRACE = MAN 6 No.
56 = GRACE IN GOD
5 + 6 = 11 DISORGANIZATION, IMPERFECTION.
1+1 = 2 UNION No. GOD
1 = GOD'S No.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Note.: Both St. Jerome and Pope St.Gregory the Great wrote extensively about Germ atria and it's significance in Scripture.
Sir Isaac Newton wrote more about germ atria and numbers in scripture then he did about the theory of Gravity.( Significance of numbers in scripture )QUOTE
You know what people are doing,Their turning Revelations in to a big laugh.
Their taking Christ's word and making it into a point of ridicule.

(quote)I admire your quest to discern, research, and reason on the scripture's of Revelation.
I have read your posts and see the hard work.
I have one question that concerns me. You said Revelation was for Christians and not the Jewish. What about the prophesies in the Old Testament?
Isaiah 44-66
All of Ezekiel
Daniel 12
Rev.22/18 kicks in here.but your right on o/t for the Jew.
Do not add or take away ,comes in the focus here.
when you're finished here, and to save confusion, Christ Say's keep it out of this discussion,But you are perfectly right .Some one should start a thread for the Jew and keep it in the o/t It seems there is no restrictions on keeping out and staying in the o/t .Like Christ has for the Christians.in Rev.22/18
Germ atria
For 44
44 president of the U.S.A in Germ atria = 4 + 4 = 8 = Germ atria number for a new beginning
4 + 4 = 8 or 4 x 4 = 16
8 + 8 = 16 a new beginning with emphasis
1 + 6 = 7 Christ's perfect no.
8 = A New Beginning.
4 = Earth + 4 + Earth = 8 = a new beginning .
Let's watch This Guy
40 = test no.Period, number of Trial. On Earth
4 = on Earth
2 x Earth = 8 = 4 with emphasis
Interesting ?
I think you in the U.S.A.will like the no.7
4 x 4 = 16 = 1 no. of God --- 6 = Man
6 + 1 = 7 no. of Christ perfect no.
1 = God , 2 = union , 4 = earth ,6 = man ,7 = Christ , 8 = a new beginning.
God union Earth man Christ new beginning = 28
28
2 + 8 = 10 = 1 God ,toss the 0
10 = Perfection of divine order.
2 x 8 = 16 = 1 God and x 6 = man
I just can not get a bad number.
Heaven forbid I should be a prophet
(Just kidding)
This has nothing to do, ( At least that I know of ) any latter day predictions.
Just an interesting no.For the U.S.A. Perez.​

 

[walt2000]

John = is a prophet.
You = are a sealed Christian.
Meet one,That doe's not understand .Spent forty years on a book that nobody is interested in. lost my Friends ,lost my religion,(I guess I was to hard on them) I made them get a education .
For what, a 2000 year old book .
I Had to be put on pills to turn off my head. So I could get some sleep .
Iet him that has understanding ,understand .I sure don't. I feel like a job ,in the bible ,so tell me who understands.You gain one, and lose every thing .And then who knows if you gained it.in the first place.
St. Jerome and Pope St.Gregory the Great wrote extensively about Germ atria and it's significance in Scripture.
Sir Isaac Newton wrote more about germ atria and numbers in scripture then he did about the theory of Gravity.( Significance of numbers in scripture )QUOTE
Yes. Rev.22/18​

Originally Posted by stone

How can a prophet know what was spoken by these 7 voices if what was spoken has been sealed? St. John was the only prophet there, which is clear according to scripture.
What do you say the voices spoke?
​

The Seven Thunders.

Originally Posted by stone ​

Are you trying to figure out what the beast is? Would you like for me to tell you already?
​

Look at the 6 horizontal line , man ,and then look at the 6 vertical line, man Thunder ,and draw a line diagonally from one White Horse to the other White Horse .Rev.14/2 The Great Thunder The Eighth Thunder

You will get Rev.16/12.Three evil spirits ,like frogs
The Great River 6= Dragon.1 frog devil
6= beast out of Sea,------2 frog beast out of Sea ,,people.
6= False prophet.---------3 frog false prophet ,the vomit that the dragon vomited ,at the child ,and woman. False Word.
666 The Beast
Rev. 13/18 This calls for wisdom.If anyone has insight , let him calculate the number of the beast .for it is man's number .His number is 666
(Acts 2:16-17) “But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:”
I really hope this is not the end ,of the last days.He gave me ,a nobody sinner the intrepid. of revelations .He can't be that desperate.
Originally Posted by stone ​

How can a prophet know what was spoken by these 7 voices if what was spoken has been sealed? St. John was the only prophet there, which is clear according to scripture.
What do you say the voices spoke?
​

What do you say the voices spoke?

Seven Thunders!
Read Thunder no. 1 Seals----------------------Re.6-8/3
Read Thunder no. 2 Trumpets------------ Re.8/4-11/19
Read Thunder no. 3 witnesses------------- Re.10-11/13
Read Thunder no. 4 Earth----------------------Re.12-15
Read Thunder no. 5 Word-----------------Re.14/6-15/5
Read Thunder no. 6 Man-----------------Re.15/6-16/17
Read Thunder no. 7 The great harlot Babylon --Re.17-20
Read each one separately, as a separate story, to the Seven Church's, the Seven Candle Sticks.
Look at the Chart above.Will give you a clue.​

I can't believe that not a soul has been able to see this.
How come I am the only one that has been enlightened,2000 years is a long time for something this easy.
The Eighth Thunder
Thunder no.1 Seals 6/1
.6/1 I Watched as the lamb opened the first seal.2.I looked and there before me was a White Horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.
Move over to thunder 2
.8/8 The second angel sounded his trumpet,and something like a huge mountain,all ablaze, was thrown into the Sea ( Christians) a third of the Sea turned into blood.
Move over to Trumpets no. 3.Witnesses
11/7 now when they finished (referring to the witnesses) their testimony the Beast that comes up from the abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them.8.Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt,where also their lord was crucified.9.for three and a half days men from every people,tribe,language and nation will gaze on their body's and refuse them burial.
Move over to thunder no.4 The Earth 14/6 the
Read ,three angel messengers.only then go to ,
Thunder no.5 of The Word.move over to
Read all of the three messengers Three angels.
14/6 Then I saw another angel flying in midair,and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth-to every nation,tribe,language and people . 7.He said in a loud voice,"Fear God and give him glory,because the hour of his judgment has come,Worship him who made the heavens,the earth, the sea and the springs of water."8.A second angel followed and said "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great,which made all nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries."9.A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice:"If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand,10.he ,too,will drink of the wine of god's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath.he will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and the lamb.11.And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever.There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name."12. This calls for the patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.
Move over to Thunder no.6 the man Thunder
16/12.The sixth angel poured his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its waters was dried up to prepare the way for the Kings from the East.
Move over to 7 Thunder,The harlot thunder- Divine
19/11. I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a White Horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war.12.His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns, He has a name written on him that no one knows but himself.13.He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.
All the above ,this is, the Eighth Thunder .It is called THE GREAT THUNDER Re.14/2
Eight is the number of a new beginning.
Now we Take each letter individually and interpret them. Seven letters = Seven thunders to the Seven candle sticks = Seven church's.
What do you say the voices spoke?​

​

 

[walt2000]

Read Thunder no. 1 Seals-------------------
letter 1 =Re.6-8/3
Read Thunder no. 2 Trumpets , letter 2------------ Re.8/4-11/19
Read Thunder no. 3 witnesses , letter 3------------- Re.10-11/13
Read Thunder no. 4 Earth , letter 4----------------------Re.12-15
Read Thunder no. 5 Word , letter 5-----------------Re.14/6-15/5
Read Thunder no. 6 Man , letter 6-----------------Re.15/6-16/17
Read Thunder no. 7 The great harlot Babylon , letter 7- Re.17-20
Read each one separately, as separate stories, the Seven letters to the Seven Church's, the Seven Candle Sticks.
Look at the Chart above.Will give you a clue.
I went by Rev.22/18 and took for granted that the RC bible and KJV bible had the for sight to have that done .and it works fine.​

It's solved now ,The scroll is open.
Read This, Below And Tell Me If There Is Babel On This Earth.​

http://www.satansrapture.com/obama.htm​

FALSE PROPHETS? WE WILL SEE? I THINK SO ,IN MY OPINION , The web sight ABOVE THIS is an example of pure GARBAGE
Thomas Jefferson, Revelation should never been included in the canon.
I never read this gentleman's viewpoint, so I can not tell you if I like or dislike it.Ill look it up .I must say that I have never seen a inspired work yet, that com-pairs with mine.
I might sound bold but ,they are all wrong,They don't explain the Seven Thunders .They are all over the books ,and a mix of opinions.They don't fallow Rev.22/18 .And You are right it is a stand alone book.
I think it was put there for a reason.It is a I told you so book,and a revelation of proof ,that proves the Prophets, And incentive to the Christian That proves the word of Christ.But their is a Babel out there.The vomit of the dragon In Thunder no. 4, Placed on the Earth ,After the word, in Thunder No.5
Rev.10/4
And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.​

In summing up ,who is right ,Darwin, or the Bible ?
Who ever wrote, The Revelation of Christ to John, in my opinion , was one smart person.
To write a seven dimensional book of ( Seven Thunders ) Rev.10/a book,a scroll of Mankind ,looking at one event in seven different ways.
And tieing it all together with a string , the Eighth Thunder . The Great Thunder of Rev.14/2.​

SEE TIMOTHY 3/1-7
IT SHALL COME TO PASS IN THE LAST DAYS-
MATT.24
SIGNS OF THE END OF THE AGE.​

22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if anyone adds to them, may God add to him the plagues which are written in this book. 22:19 If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, may God take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book. 22:20 He who testifies these things says, “Yes, I come quickly.” ​

It is a End of time Scripture ,To be opened up at a future time .
Well ,I opened it up,I hope it's not the end of time, I like the time I'm in..​

1 Corinthians 2 (New King James Version)​

1 Corinthians 2​

Christ Crucified​

1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, did not come with excellence of speech or of wisdom declaring to you the testimony[a] of God. 2 For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. 3 I was with you in weakness, in fear, and in much trembling. 4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human[b] wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
Spiritual Wisdom​

6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, 8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written: ​

“ Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”[c]​

10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy[d] Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?”[e] But we have the mind of Christ.​

Numerology is part of the vomit that the Dragon put out after the woman with child in Thunder Four . The Earth Thunder.
Rev.12-15.
Germatria is that which used here Biblical​

This is not a End of Time Prediction. It is a true interp. of Revelation no time is Known​

Germatria is not numerology.​

This begins you , from now to Christ .
There is from Christ to Moses.​

P.S. pardon the spelling ,and bad grammar,but the charts will show you what I mean.walt2000​

 

[Bible2]

Biblewriter posted in message #127 of this thread:

There is no condition whatsoever attached to the fulfillment of even
one of the promises in the last third of Ezekiel.

Greetings.

Note that Ezekiel chapters 40-48 were not a promise, but only a
vision-blueprint of what was possible for the Israelites to fulfill
themselves if they so chose (Ezekiel 43:11). But now they can never
fulfill the vision-blueprint, because it was only meant to be fulfilled by
the Israelites back in the days of the Old Covenant, when there were
still animal sacrifices for sins (Ezekiel 43:19). Now, since the New
Covenant sacrifice of Christ (Matthew 26:28), there can no longer
be any more animal sacrifices for sin (Hebrews 10:18).

Biblewriter posted in message #127 of this thread:

Jeremiah 17 was talking about the impending judgment of Jerusalem,
which indeed took place exactly as prophesied.

Note that just as with Ezekiel chapters 40-48, Jeremiah 17:20-26
was offered only as something good which it was possible for the
ancient Israelites to have fulfilled if they had so chosen. But they
failed to fulfill Jeremiah 17:20-26, and so did not receive its blessings.
Instead, they fulfilled Jeremiah 17:27, and that was why the
judgment of God came upon them.

Biblewriter posted in message #127 of this thread:

But in the entire Bible, not even the promises of a future millennial
blessing has any condition whatsoever attached to it.

That's right. But Ezekiel chapters 40-48 and Jeremiah 17:20-26
weren't talking about the millennium. Instead, they were talking
about ancient possible blessings which ancient Israel failed to fulfill.

Biblewriter posted in message #127 of this thread:

Your conclusion that the 144,000 are part of the church is based on
your interpretation that the church is still here at that time.

Actually, no, the 144,000 are part of the church simply because they
are Christians (Revelation 14:4), and there are no Christians outside
of the church (Ephesians 4:4-5). But the 144,000 will be just one part
of the church to enter into the tribulation. They will be caught up into
heaven mid-tribulation as the "man child" (Revelation 12:5-6, 14:5),
while other parts of the church will remain on the earth to go through
the reign of the Antichrist (Revelation 12:6,17, 13:7-10, 14:12-13, 20:4).

Biblewriter posted in message #127 of this thread:

The man-child in the vision is the son of the woman. No scripture
anywhere speaks of individual Christians as being sons of the church.
So it is unreasonable to assume that the woman is the church.

The vision of the man child is not literal, but merely a symbolic picture
of one part of the church being set apart from the rest of the church
mid-tribulation and caught up into heaven (Revelation 12:5-6). The
woman has to be the church because she is clothed with the sun
(Revelation 12:1) of righteousness (cf. Malachi 4:2). Righteousness
comes only through faith in Jesus (Romans 3:22). And everyone who
has faith in Jesus is part of the church (Ephesians 4:4-5).

 

[Bible2]

walt2000 posted in message #161 of this thread:

Christ Gave Revelation to John, to give it to me

Greetings.

Actually, Christ gave Revelation to John to give it to everyone in
the church (Revelation 1:1, 22:16).

walt2000 posted in message #161 of this thread:

The Chart is self explanatory.

Note that Revelation itself is self-explanatory, just as it is written;
it is not a sealed book (Revelation 22:10).

 

[Bible2]

JuJube posted in message #171 of this thread:

Would someone please tell what the difference is between post-trib
and pre-wrath are.

Greetings.

True post-trib means that Jesus won't come and gather together
and marry the church until Matthew 24:29-31/Revelation 19:7, after
the entire tribulation of Revelation chapters 6-18.

There are different variations of pre-wrath, depending on what parts
of the tribulation are considered to be God's wrath. Some pre-wrathers
include the trumpets of the tribulation (Revelation chapters 8-9) in
God's wrath, while others only include the vials of the tribulation
(Revelation 16). Either way, some pre-wrathers say they are also
post-tribbers, because they say that the God's-wrath part of the
tribulation isn't tribulation, but wrath.

Because pre-tribbers say that the entire tribulation is God's wrath,
some of them could say that they are also pre-wrathers.

 

[Bible2]

walt2000 posted in message #179 of this thread:

Revelation of Christ to John is a Stand alone book

Actually, no book of the Bible is a stand-alone book, in the sense
that each book in the Bible must be understood within the context
of all the rest of the Bible. We arrive at correct doctrine by
comparing what different books of the Bible say about things (Isaiah
28:9-10, 1 Corinthians 2:13).

walt2000 posted in message #179 of this thread:

they go against Rev.22/18

Revelation 22:18 means that we cannot insert any words into the
actual text of the book of Revelation, and try to pass them off as if
they were there in the original text penned by John. Similarly,
Revelation 22:19 means that we cannot delete any words from the
actual text of the book of Revelation, and then try to pass off the
altered text as if were the original text penned by John.

 

[walt2000]

Bible2
You are not going to get it ,so give it up

walt2000 posted in message #179 of this thread:

Revelation of Christ to John is a Stand alone book

Now even you have it Bibe2.
walt2000
posted in message #161 of this thread:

The Chart is self explanatory.

walt2000 posted in message #161 of this thread:

Christ Gave Revelation to John, to give it to me
​

Greetings.walt2000

Actually,You are right, Christ gave Revelation to John to give it to everyone in
the church (Revelation 1:1, 22:16).
You seem to miss it.walt2000

 

[walt2000]

Originally Posted by stone

This is the only error i see. This does not line up with scripture pertaining to prophets. There is another test for prophets in the tanach, rather, Torah.

*Goes to take a look at this 22*
​

I think you are confusing two types of people here.
The sealed ones ,sealed in their foreheads,Rev.6-8/3,
Thunder 1,


And the Prophets, that are given the power to reveal Revelations , two different people here.
The sealed that you see in the 7 seals ,Thunder 1.


Are the witnesses in Thunder 2,
Thunder 2,the witnesses explained in in detail in Thunder 3 .
The general Christians.are one .
And the Prophets, are the two different people.


Because you are Sealed in the holy spirit,doe's not make you a Prophet of God.
You are a Christian.
Not every Christian will see ,or understand.Revelations.
( that doe's not make them a lesser person)they just have different talents
walt2000​

 

[Bible2]

walt2000 posted in message #197 of this thread:

You are not going to get it ,so give it up

Greetings.

No Christian should give up on understanding the book of Revelation,
for it is not a sealed book (Revelation 22:10); it can be understood
simply by reading it. Most Christians just don't read it enough times
to get to know it and see how it flows chronologically.

walt2000 posted in message #197 of this thread:

Revelation of Christ to John is a Stand alone book

Actually, no book of the Bible is a stand-alone book. That's why the
book of Revelation is part of the Bible and not on its own.

walt2000 posted in message #197 of this thread:

The Chart is self explanatory.

The book of Revelation is self-explanatory. If God had wanted a
chart he would have had John add a chart to Revelation. The chart
adds to Revelation in the sense of Revelation 22:18, for the chart
title claims that the chart is the actual "Revelations of Christ to John",
instead of being merely one interpretation of that Revelation.

---

walt2000 posted in message #198 of this thread:

Thunder 1

What the seven thunders spoke is not part of Revelation (Revelation
10:4). For anyone to say what the seven thunders are in a chart
titled "Revelations of Christ to John" is adding to Revelation in the
sense of Revelation 22:18, which means that we cannot add
anything to Revelation which was not originally revealed in it and
then claim that what we have added is what was originally revealed.

 

[walt2000]

Greetings.

No Christian should give up on understanding the book of Revelation,
for it is not a sealed book (Revelation 22:10); it can be understood
simply by reading it. Most Christians just don't read it enough times
to get to know it and see how it flows chronologically.



Actually, no book of the Bible is a stand-alone book. That's why the
book of Revelation is part of the Bible and not on its own.



The book of Revelation is self-explanatory. If God had wanted a
chart he would have had John add a chart to Revelation. The chart
adds to Revelation in the sense of Revelation 22:18, for the chart
title claims that the chart is the actual "Revelations of Christ to John",
instead of being merely one interpretation of that Revelation.

---



What the seven thunders spoke is not part of Revelation (Revelation
10:4). For anyone to say what the seven thunders are in a chart
titled "Revelations of Christ to John" is adding to Revelation in the
sense of Revelation 22:18, which means that we cannot add
anything to Revelation which was not originally revealed in it and
then claim that what we have added is what was originally revealed.

The book of Revelation is self-explanatory. If God had wanted a
chart he would have had John add a chart to Revelation. The chart
adds to Revelation in the sense of Revelation 22:18, for the chart
title claims that the chart is the actual "Revelations of Christ to John",
instead of being merely one interpretation of that Revelation.

walt2000
​