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[Bible2]

zeke37 posted in message #95:

Bible2 had posted:

The coming tribulation of Revelation chapters 6-18
doesn't include the post-mill Gog/Magog event of
Ezekiel chapters 38-39.

that is your opinion

It's not opinion, but fact, that the highly detailed
description of the coming tribulation in Revelation
chapters 6-18 never refers to Gog and Magog. They are
only referred to after the millennium, in Revelation
20:7-9.

zeke37 posted in message #95:

[Re: Ezekiel chapters 40-48]

it is Millennial, but no animal sacrifices will be
made..those animal sacrifices are symoblic...a type...
a learning experience...so that those in all of
history will know what we are talking about...
sacrifice to God...(today we know what God wants in
sacrifice...our love and prayers...not flesh)

as all prophesy is absolutely jam packed and filled
with symbolic metaphores, why should this be any
different...

Ezekiel chapters 40-48 aren't millennial because it
specifically states that multiple animal sacrifices
will be made for sin (Ezekiel 43:19-25), and this
can never happen now that Jesus' sacrifice for sin
has occurred (Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 10:18, Galatians
2:21).

The multiple animal sacrifices in Ezekiel chapters
40-48 were neither symbolic nor types, but were
literal, actual sacrifices which Israel was to perform
before the sacrifice of Christ. But Ezekiel chapters
40-48 were a conditional prophecy (Ezekiel 43:11), and
Israel never fulfilled it before the sacrifice of
Christ. And now, after the sacrifice of Christ,
Ezekiel chapters 40-48 can never be fulfilled.

zeke37 posted in message #95:

[Re: Ezekiel chapters 40-48]

it is Millennial, built on measurements of 8's not
7's...and it ends with the Father Coming here, just
as we know He will at the end, right?

Both the numbers seven (Ezekiel 40:22,26, 41:3,12,
43:25-26, 44:26, 45:20-25) and eight (Ezekiel
40:9,31-41, 43:27, 48:35) are found in Ezekiel
chapters 40-48. And what do they have to do with the
millennium?

Ezekiel 48:35b isn't referring to after the
millennium, but to how the Father would be in the city
before the sacrifice of Christ (cf. Matthew 23:21).

 

[Bible2]

zeke37 posted in message #95:

[Re: Ezekiel chapters 40-48]

each promise God makes will be fulfilled...maybe not
in a way that we curently can understand...there is
usually a condition applied to that...."if" you do
this or that, then .... but every one will be
completely fulfilled. God's Word is truth.

Ezekiel chapters 40-48 were not a promise God made,
but a conditional vision which it was up to Israel
to fulfill (Ezekiel 43:11) before the sacrifice of
Christ, and which Israel failed to fulfill before
the sacrifice of Christ, just like Israel in the
time of Jeremiah failed to fulfill the conditions
of Jeremiah 17:20-26, but instead fulfilled the
conditions of Jeremiah 17:27.

zeke37 posted in message #95:

IMO, the spiritual army that is raised in Ez37 is
the elect Christians from all 12 tribes...readying
themselves for a spiritual battle, with the armour
of God on, because we do not fight forces of flesh
and blood, but evil spiritual forces...Satan the
fallen angel and all that follow him....this is the
spiritual awakening...the sealing of the elect,
IMO....also forshadowed in Ez9...

Ezekiel 37:11 says what the dry bones of Ezekiel
37:1-10 were: Israel without hope during its
Babylonian Captivity. But Ezekiel 37:12 could have
a dual meaning, first as a figurative picture of
Israel going back to the land of Israel after the
Babylonian Captivity, and second to the actual
bodily resurrection of believers at the second
coming (1 Corinthians 15:22-23).

zeke37 posted in message #95:

Bible2 had posted:

... there could also be an earthly army made up of
those unbelieving elect Israelites saved at the
second coming, who could be allowed by Jesus to fight
their enemies (Zechariah 14:14, 12:5-8).

unbelieving elect Israelites???? I wonder how you
ever came to that comclusion???

Romans 11:25-32 shows that all of the unbelieving
elect Israelites who survive the tribulation will
become believers and get saved at the second coming
(cf. Zechariah 12:10-14).

zeke37 posted in message #95:

the elect follow The Lamb where ever He goes. Rev14...

Revelation 14:1-5 is referring only to the 144,000
male-virgins part of the church in the heavenly
mount Sion (cf. Hebrews 12:22). They will be caught
up to the throne of God as the "man child" right
before the 3.5-year world-reign of the Antichrist
begins (Revelation 12:5-6, 14:5).

 

[locboxx]

Hey! I'm pre-trib. The Bible says God will take His Holy Spirit off the Earth before the Antichrist is revealed. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-6) The Bible also says His Spirit would never leave us. (John 14:16) This leads me to believe that when God takes His Spirit off the Earth, He will also take us I write a blog about Bible prophecy concerning end times. Check it out terminalage.blogspot.com

 

[Bondservant by Grace]

Overview of the timeline:

I believe that the Bible teaches that Christians will be on earth during the seventieth week of Daniel (final 7 years before the return of Christ) but that we will not be on earth during the outpouring of the seven bowls of God's wrath.

Where we Christians sometimes err is in not recognizing that the second half of the seventieth week (the last 3.5 years that follow the desecration of the temple by antichrist) is not God's wrath, but the wrath of Satan and man.

Christ will return at the last trump (either Revelations 7th trumpet or a final trumpet call sounded by God, Himself that follows the 7th trump);

His return will be visible to all on earth; those of them who pierced Him will look upon Him and mourn with a spirit of supplication and grace (the sealed ones of Israel, who will eventually believe that Christ is Messiah and will be greatly blessed);

the dead in Christ will rise then those who are alive will meet Him in the clouds/air;

the seven bowl judgments will be poured out on earth; during this time-frame Armageddon will occur;

the first judgment/reward ceremony of believers will take place in heaven;

then Christ and the redeemed will come to earth; He will come to Olivet and a huge earthquake will occur,

Christ will end the Armageddon war, overthrow Satan, and the millennial reign will begin.

This is a brief and incomplete overview of the timeline, and we will understand more and more about the details as the time grows nearer and more events unfold.
​

Blessings in Christ to all who eagerly await His appearing. May we redeem the time by praying for and witnessing to lost souls with the same Love and that Christ portrayed for us by choosing to suffer on the Cross for our redemption.
​

Note: I do not believe that I or any other one individual can discern every moment of the endtime timing (we have part of it veiled by the sealing up of things spoken by the seven thunders of Rev 10:4, for one reason). I am always open to listening to others' opinions and insight. This is what the Lord showed me in the early 1980s, and everything I have read in scripture since that time confirms it.
​

Blessings in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ,

BBG

​

 

[walt2000]

Bible2
You are violating Rev.22/18
but you type a storm.walt2000

 

[walt2000]

Overview of the timeline:

I believe that the Bible teaches that Christians will be on earth during the seventieth week of Daniel (final 7 years before the return of Christ) but that we will not be on earth during the outpouring of the seven bowls of God's wrath.

Where we Christians sometimes err is in not recognizing that the second half of the seventieth week (the last 3.5 years that follow the desecration of the temple by antichrist) is not God's wrath, but the wrath of Satan and man.

Christ will return at the last trump (either Revelations 7th trumpet or a final trumpet call sounded by God, Himself that follows the 7th trump);

His return will be visible to all on earth; those of them who pierced Him will look upon Him and mourn with a spirit of supplication and grace (the sealed ones of Israel, who will eventually believe that Christ is Messiah and will be greatly blessed);

the dead in Christ will rise then those who are alive will meet Him in the clouds/air;

the seven bowl judgments will be poured out on earth; during this time-frame Armageddon will occur;

the first judgment/reward ceremony of believers will take place in heaven;

then Christ and the redeemed will come to earth; He will come to Olivet and a huge earthquake will occur,

Christ will end the Armageddon war, overthrow Satan, and the millennial reign will begin.

This is a brief and incomplete overview of the timeline, and we will understand more and more about the details as the time grows nearer and more events unfold.
​

Blessings in Christ to all who eagerly await His appearing. May we redeem the time by praying for and witnessing to lost souls with the same Love and that Christ portrayed for us by choosing to suffer on the Cross for our redemption.
​

Note: I do not believe that I or any other one individual can discern every moment of the endtime timing (we have part of it veiled by the sealing up of things spoken by the seven thunders of Rev 10:4, for one reason). I am always open to listening to others' opinions and insight. This is what the Lord showed me in the early 1980s, and everything I have read in scripture since that time confirms it.
​

Blessings in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ,

BBG

​

I like some of this ,look to those seven thunders, of coarse my chart.The Seven Thunders are now open.I opened them ,with the holy spirits help of coarse.walt2000

 

[Caitlin.ann]

I'm post-it-will-never-happen-anyways.

 

[walt2000]

(Acts 2:16-17) “But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:”

 

[walt2000]

Jack has not a clue what he is talking about in Revelation in scripture.Reads neat paper ,that is all,but doe's not know how to inter pt. Revelations.If you think this is spam .Sorry I, in my opinion know he is wrong.I put the time in ,He is spouting an opinion.violates Rev.22/18,and that is it.look at your reward if your wrong.
The guy just is as wrong ,as wrong can get ,Give him my chart and explanation see what his reaction will be.He will probably say Nice work, I'll shelf it for now and get at it when I have time ,The typical co-pout.walt2000



The true interp.of Revelations is out there ,I have opened the little scroll.There is really not much more I can do .The ones that will see it,will ,it will be opened up,the ones that refuse to see it ,it will remain closed.
It is up to the holy spirit to take the next step.walt2000

 

[Bible2]

The Bible isn't pre-trib, but post-trib (Matthew
24:29-31, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7).

The Bible doesn't say that God will take the Holy
Spirit off of the earth before the Antichrist is
revealed; the restrainer in 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7
could be a powerful angel, like the one who will
restrain Satan at the second coming (Revelation 20:1-3).

2 Thessalonians 2:1-8 says that Jesus' coming to
gather together the church (Matthew 24:30-31) can't
happen until sometime after the Antichrist is
revealed (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4). For when Jesus comes
to gather together the church he will destroy the
Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:1,8, Revelation 19:7,20).

The fact that the Bible says that the Spirit will
never leave Christians (John 14:16), and that no one
can be a Christian without the Spirit (Romans 8:9),
proves that the Spirit isn't going to be taken off of
the earth before the Antichrist is revealed, for there
will be Christians still alive on the earth after he's
revealed (Revelation 13:7-10, 14:12-13, 20:4).

 

[walt2000]

I have opened the little scroll
and you
Bible2 You are braking the rule in Rev.22/18​

 

[onwingsaseagles]

Hey! I'm pre-trib. The Bible says God will take His Holy Spirit off the Earth before the Antichrist is revealed. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-6) The Bible also says His Spirit would never leave us. (John 14:16) This leads me to believe that when God takes His Spirit off the Earth, He will also take us I write a blog about Bible prophecy concerning end times. Check it out terminalage.blogspot.com

First pretrib is a myth not biblical truth, secondly the Bible does not say who he who lets is, you can only assume it is the Holy Spirit, more than likely it is referring to Micheal the Arc angel. Either way no one can say for sure. You should not be teaching these fallacies on a blog, God will judge you for those you may deceive.

 

[Super Kal]

personally, I'm probably more along the lines of a progressive post-trib Historical Premillennialist...

the only reason I'm progressive in believing Historicism is because of what Daniel 12:3-4 says, how God told Daniel to close the book until people are going to and fro, and knowledge will be increased... we see that actually happen with all the technological advances in today's society with the internet, ipod, airplane travel, and everything else, and that was something we did not see during the Protestant Reformation

 

[zeke37]

personally, I'm probably more along the lines of a progressive post-trib Historical Premillennialist...

the only reason I'm progressive in believing Historicism is because of what Daniel 12:3-4 says, how God told Daniel to close the book until people are going to and fro, and knowledge will be increased... we see that actually happen with all the technological advances in today's society with the internet, ipod, airplane travel, and everything else, and that was something we did not see during the Protestant Reformation

hi....I have not been here in a while, but when I studied that passage, I understand it as thus: the knowledge that shall be increased is EVIL....the thing that is increased is evil knowledge....not just knowledge....but evil knowledge...

(post trib, premil too!)

 

[zeke37]

Hey! I'm pre-trib. The Bible says God will take His Holy Spirit off the Earth before the Antichrist is revealed. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-6) The Bible also says His Spirit would never leave us. (John 14:16) This leads me to believe that when God takes His Spirit off the Earth, He will also take us I write a blog about Bible prophecy concerning end times. Check it out terminalage.blogspot.com

first, 2Thes2 starts off by telling us that the gathering to Christ is AFTER the man of sin/son of perdition does his thing/....not before...

how some think that they are gone anyway...off of the earth during that time of testing, goes beyond biblical accuracy, and IMO God must be blinding you to the truth for your own good. Just as it is after in 2Thes2, it is also after in Mat24, Mar13, Luke21....

after, when the Lord sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and from earth....just as in 1Thes4, when Christ brings with Him all the dead believers......not before that time








ps...the antiChrist is not any man of flesh possessed, but an angelic man, SATAN himself, in his very own physical supernatural angelic body...


the son of Perdition...


Satan, come here to playact Jesus' return, fooling the world...pretending to be the returning Messiah....the INSTEAD of Jesus...

how many pre tribbers shall fall for that deception and actually think it is Jesus come to rapture them away early....instead of heading to the warnings about the false onje coming first to deceive...so do not look for Christ here on earth at all, ever....why, because it will not be Him until after the course of events run their path....

when Messiah does come, all flesh is changed into the angelic spiritual (but physical) body....for the entire 1000 years...


and that happens when Christ gets here...


this is an event that no other entity could do...

this is the proof so to speak....in the blink of an eye, we are all changed. (1Cor15)

and that is when Christ comes......not before to rapture you away early, but after the final hour of temptation.....after we are tested...after our patience is seen, after the bad seed comes to deceive you.


so, don't think that you are raptured away early...or at all, not until you either die in the flesh and go to heaven...or if you are alive at the time of Christ's Coming... Christ comes here and ends this age, beginning the next one...the 1000 years.

that is when we are Gathered, that is when we are changed.




pre trib....that is the deception.

 

[Super Kal]

hi....I have not been here in a while, but when I studied that passage, I understand it as thus: the knowledge that shall be increased is EVIL....the thing that is increased is evil knowledge....not just knowledge....but evil knowledge...

(post trib, premil too!)

never thought of it that way...

excellent point

 

[walt2000]

never thought of it that way...

excellent point

That is not right at all there was increases in knowledge on all fronts .medic, science, bio ,astronomy. whats this evil.walt2000

 

[walt2000]

That is not right at all there was increases in knowledge on all fronts .medic, science, bio ,astronomy. what part of this is evil.walt2000

http://www.bible-history.com/tabernacle/TAB4Numbers_and_Scripture.htmhttp://www.bible-history.com/tabernacle/TAB4Numbers_and_Scripture.htm

 

[garry2]

First pretrib is a myth not biblical truth, secondly the Bible does not say who he who lets is, you can only assume it is the Holy Spirit, more than likely it is referring to Micheal the Arc angel. Either way no one can say for sure. You should not be teaching these fallacies on a blog, God will judge you for those you may deceive.

Rubbish, is he out to deceive or saying it as he sees it?

 

[garry2]

hi....I have not been here in a while, but when I studied that passage, I understand it as thus: the knowledge that shall be increased is EVIL....the thing that is increased is evil knowledge....not just knowledge....but evil knowledge...

(post trib, premil too!)

What you say is true for those who reject truth.

there knowledge that shall be increased is EVIL....the thing that is increased for them is evil knowledge....not just knowledge....but evil knowledge...