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Foundthelight said:....These minor points of theology don't have anything to do with salvation. Thus I ignore them.
5solas said:Well, I am not so sure about that - there is a whole theological system behind the Dispensational view. The Jews will get saved by returning to that Old Testament sacrifice system - they say.
Cajun Huguenot said:Sorry my friend, but the term Reformed Dispy is an oxymoron. (As I am sure you well know.)
There are Calvinistic Dispies But Reformed is one theology and Dispensational is whole other theology and never can they meet. Of course the Progressive Dispies are moving our way. They have had to jetison some old Dispy ideas but (IMHO) they are moving in the right direction.
Kenith
Imblessed said:that's what I was thinking. Aren't the reformed strictly Covenental? That would mean they can't be dispy too right? Ahhh the confusion.....
ksen said:Dispensationalist Pre-Mill...........
Yes, we Reformed Dispy's do exist.
ksen said:I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure there are Reformed Baptists who hold to different forms of Dispensationalism.
Mayflower Pilgrim said:I am close to being a "reformed baptist" (no capitals) but we tend to be historic premill although we agree with dispensations we do not teach multiple ways of salvation. See: http://www.mbrem.com/covenant/covchod7.htm
This is a good website. It's the one that Calvinowen sent me to to read about Postmillenialism. I notice that all the different end-time views are explained there, from the reformed perspective, which is good.Mayflower Pilgrim said:I am close to being a "reformed baptist" (no capitals) but we tend to be historic premill although we agree with dispensations we do not teach multiple ways of salvation. See: http://www.mbrem.com/covenant/covchod7.htm
this doesn't sound pre-mill at all to me......."Afterwards comes the end; the final judgement and the ressurection. In the old testament there are frequent intimations of another and better economy, to which the Mosiac institutions were merely preparatory. But we have no intimation in scripture that the dispensation of the Spirit is to give way for a new and better dispensation for the conversion of the nations. When the gospel is fully preached, then comes the end"
ksen said:I don't think so. Maybe when you are talking about Presbyterians. But like I said above in another post I believe there are Reformed Baptists who teach some form of Dispensationalism.
CoffeeSwirls said:I think it best that we realize that reformed, covenential and Calvinist are not synonyms. I am reformed and a Calvinist, and am only now learning about covenential theology. As a way of learning about this interpretation, I have on order I Will Be Your God:
How Gods Covenant Enriches Our Lives byT. M. Moore.
It is apparent to me, though, that the three words do not all mean the same thing. I don't believe you can be Arminian and also be reformed or covenential, but you can follow one degree of theology. As I see it, the list goes as such:
Calvinist
Reformed
Covenential
You must be Calvinist to go to the next step, but you don't have to take that next step. You have to be reformed to be Covenential, but you don't have to take that step, either. If you are Covenential, you must have taken the previous steps already.
This comes from one who is rather unlearned about the finer points, so I welcome any correction from those more knowledgeable than I.
Imblessed said:This is a good website. It's the one that Calvinowen sent me to to read about Postmillenialism. I notice that all the different end-time views are explained there, from the reformed perspective, which is good.
One thing I noticed, this particular page you sent me(and everyone else) too, it only talks of 4 dispensations. That's different from the (LeHaye, Darby) dispensationalists--they claim 7 I think, and that the Jews as a nation will be re-instated, along with the sacrifices and such. This makes NO sense to me at all.
So maybe everyone here is misunderstanding you and Ksen when you say that you are dispensationalists....
Oh, and at the end of the page, it says this doesn't sound pre-mill at all to me.......
CoffeeSwirls said:I think it best that we realize that reformed, covenential and Calvinist are not synonyms. I am reformed and a Calvinist, and am only now learning about covenential theology. As a way of learning about this interpretation, I have on order I Will Be Your God:
How Gods Covenant Enriches Our Lives byT. M. Moore.
It is apparent to me, though, that the three words do not all mean the same thing. I don't believe you can be Arminian and also be reformed or covenential, but you can follow one degree of theology. As I see it, the list goes as such:
Calvinist
Reformed
Covenential
You must be Calvinist to go to the next step, but you don't have to take that next step. You have to be reformed to be Covenential, but you don't have to take that step, either. If you are Covenential, you must have taken the previous steps already.
This comes from one who is rather unlearned about the finer points, so I welcome any correction from those more knowledgeable than I.
Mayflower Pilgrim said:The number of dispensations is not the issue, some hold to as few as three others as many as...well it depends if they are ultradispensationalists.
Note I did not say that I was a dispensationalist, rather that I hold to different dispensations of the Covenant of Grace.
Regarding the end-times no the site is amillenial which I disagree with.
Mayflower Pilgrim said:Well I am Calvinist and Covenental but not reformed
BTW: have a gander at this: http://www.spurgeongems.org/vols7-9/chs391.pdf
So sis what would i be. What ever it is I'm right.Imblessed said:That was pretty powerful! I would love to actually have been there!
thanks for the link, It has given me something to think about, for sure.....
W Jay Schroeder said:So sis what would i be. What ever it is I'm right.
From what I saw on the site, almost every view was defended by a reformed preacher. So, I don't think the whole site is amillenial. As I mentioned, I read a great summary of Postmillenialism on there. But the particular page you sent me to, after discussing the dispensations, did sound a bit amil....Mayflower Pilgrim said:Regarding the end-times no the site is amillenial which I disagree with.
it was needed to be downloaded and never came up of course i probaly did something wrong or it is somewhere on the computer. Well half way up into the clouds i will be sure to say i told you so. And as Mike Wornkie says, i'll grab up a sinner and say "do you repent or should i let go."Imblessed said:bro, you are most definately a dispensational pre-millenial pre-tribulation rapturist!!!
And right? Well, I don't know about that!
Did you read that link from Spurgeon? It was pretty good!
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