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Featured End Time in Daniel

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Jane Chai, Sep 11, 2019.

  1. Douggg

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    Because I am not reading in the text of the KJV that the messiah is cut off in the midst of the week. I am reading about the sacrifice stopped in the midst of the week. But nothing about the messiah being cutoff in the midst of the week.

    27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
     
  2. joshua 1 9

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    The theory is that is the week of the 7 year tribulation. Between the Kingdom Age and the Church Age that we are currently in.
     
  3. joshua 1 9

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    They read the Old Testament a lot more then most people do. I study a lot of Kabbalah under Hasidim. They take this very serious. To sacrifice animals is just to have kosher food to eat. To make sure the food is good and healthy and prepared under the right conditions. The "Jewish" people, like the Amish have huge amounts of bad health from inbreeding. That is why we know so much about their DNA because of all the research they do on Genetic Diseases.

    The Belief is that the church will be raptured out of here and the "Jewish" nation will become a witness and testimony for God during the tribulation period. They are preparing for that now. They are writting books and getting all of their teaching in print so people can read and study. This was a secret teaching at one time, now what they believe is out there for everyone to study and learn.

    They are looking for the coming of the Messiah based on when He steps foot on the Mount of Olives to for-fill the Old Testaments prophecy. They look forward to the 1,000 year reign of the Messiah. "The Messianic era is seen as a time of dramatically heightened human consciousness when Divine inspiration and prophecy will become innately "natural" and the relationship between God and humanity will be intimate and ever-present".
     
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    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    They will know, just like they knew when to flee Germany before the Holocaust. All they have to do was read the newspaper. I was taught to always keep up with current events and know what is going on in the world because your life may depend on you being able to read the signs. Then people can live to a ripe old age of 100. When we learn how to dodge the bullets. Two of my teachers now have lived to be 100.
     
  5. The Righterzpen

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    I translated that out of the Hebrew by comparing what else the Hebrew words are translated as in different parts of the Bible.

    The Scripture tells us to interpret it by using itself. So that's why I did that.
     
  6. Revealing Times

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    And that has nothing to do with what I stated. They Flee Judea because of Jesus' warning, BECAUSE the Jews repent BEFORE the DOTL {the bible says so}

    Malachii 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet BEFORE the coming of the great and dreadful DAY of the Lord: {which starts at the First Seal} 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

    If it was because the were freading current events then why do 2/3 not flee and Perish ? Because the 1/3 who flee have REPENTED !!

    Zechariahh 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

    9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall CALL ON MY NAME, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

    Why would Gabriel, the Angel of God, speak about ILLEGAL & PROFANE sacrifices ? He wouldn't. hes informing Daniel about THE SACRIFICE Jesus not being allowed in the Temple {cut off} and that's the Abomination of Desolation wrought by this False Prophet {Jewish High Priest} like unto Jason under Antiochus who tried to Hellenize the Jews !!

    Gabriel would not be telling Daniel about a profane Sacrifice, hes speaking about Jesus the Sacrifice. The Sacrifice is not allowed in the Temple. This is AFTER the 1/3 have repented. Why would cutting of what God sees as profane NOW {Animal Sacrifice} be a defilement ? You can't defile what is already defiled !!

    Israel repents, then the False Prophet defiles the Temple {after its been cleansed by their acceptance of Jesus} at the 1290, then 30 days later the Beast Conquers Jerusalem and the Mediterranean Sea Region.

    The 2/3 who do not flee perish like the 80,000 killed by Antiochus, the 1/3 who flee are like unto the Maccabeans who Revolted. God Bless.

    We have a precursor to this event with Antiochus {Beast likeness} Jason {False Prophet likeness} the Hellenized Jews { 2/3 who accept these events} and the Maccabeans {the 1/3 who follow God}.
     
  7. LittleLambofJesus

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    Any significance of the Roman denarius being mentioned in Revelation 6?

    Matthew 22
    18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, "why make ye trial of Me, ye hypocrites?
    19 Show me the tribute money". And they brought unto Him a denarius.
    20 And He saith unto them, "whose is this image<1504> and superscription?"
    21They say unto Him, "Caesar's".............

    Revelation 6:6
    And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "a measure of grain/wheat a denarius and three measures of barleys a denarius, and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring"."
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    REVELATION 9:6 "MEN WILL BE SEEKING THE DEATH, DEATH IS FLEEING FROM THEM" 70AD SIEGE FAMINE?
     
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  8. joshua 1 9

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    What verse are you talking about? Everything in the Bible points to Jesus. All the letters that make up the law teach us about Jesus. Everything in the law is a lesson for us to learn about Jesus and the sacrifice He made for us.
     
  9. Revealing Times

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    Dan. 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    Who is the SACRIFICE & OBLATION Gabriel is speaking about ? It's not a profane burnt offering, it's Jesus Christ, that is the point, most everyone assumes he is speaking about Burnt Offerings !! Hes not, the Sacrifice by that time will be Jesus {has been for 2000 years of course}. The difference is Israel as a nation finally accepts Jesus during the 70th week, BEFORE the Day of the Lord {God's Wrath falls at the midweek point}.

    Thus the Sacrifice that is ceased is the worshipping of Jesus in the Temple of God. The False Prophet {High Priest} will be so angry that 1/3 of the Jews have turned to Jesus and started worshipping him in the Temple that he will cease this worshipping and then place an IMAGE {Rev. 13} of the E.U. President in the Temple at the 1290, which is 30 days before the 1260 happens. Thus when the Jews who repented see the AoD they know to Flee Judea.
     
  10. mkgal1

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    That's what I've always heard.....but where is that written in the Bible (I'm sincerely asking - I don't mean for that to sound as if I'm challenging you)?
     
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    Well said............
     
  12. LittleLambofJesus

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    That would make for a good thread.........

    Palm Sunday or Palm Saturday?
    Was Jesus crucified on a Saturday as Justin martyr suggests?
    Resurrection of Jesus Christ - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

    WHEN WAS CHRIST RESURRECTED?
    Yeshua gave only ONE sign to prove that he was the Messiah prophesied in the Tanakh:

    MATTHEW 12:39 But he answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was THREE DAYS and THREE NIGHTS in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be THREE DAYS and THREE NIGHTS in the heart of the earth. (NKJV)

    For numerous centuries, most Christians have held a belief that directly contradicts this unique sign that Messiah said would identify him. Untold generations of Christians have been taught that Jesus died on Good Friday and was resurrected on Easter Sunday. So prevalent is this satanic deception that most never even stop to consider that such a scenario denies that Yeshua is the prophesied Messiah. In this article, we're going to see what God's Word really has to say about the death and resurrection of the Messiah, Jesus Christ.

    First, let's examine the position of those who claim Yeshua was crucified on Good Friday and raised very early on Easter Sunday morning. Below is a graphic representation of these claims:

    CONCLUSION
    Almost the entire Christian world celebrates Sunday as their day of worship in place of the 7th-day Sabbath God instituted at creation (Gen. 2:2-3). They justify doing this because they believe that Jesus Christ was raised from the dead on this day. However, as our study of the burial and resurrection has shown, the Greek text overwhelmingly supports another set of facts.

    Yeshua was buried late on a Wednesday afternoon, just before the Passover high Sabbath, and he was resurrected very early on the morning of the weekly Sabbath. This particular weekly Sabbath was one of the seven Sabbaths counted to Pentecost.
    It was known to the Jews as the "First Sabbath" because it was the first weekly Sabbath between Passover and Pentecost. Furthermore, it's likely that the "first day of the week," Sunday, is NEVER even mentioned in the Greek New Testament. May God help us to put away the traditions of men and obey His Torah!
     
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  13. mkgal1

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    What may be even worse than Caesar himself proclaiming to be a god, but the apostate religious leaders proclaimed they had no other god but Caesar (making Jerusalem a "city of man" and stronghold of satan - recorded in John 19:15). A prophecy of Isaiah was fulfilled:

    Isaiah 1:21 ~ “How has the faithful city become a harlot! It was full of justice, righteousness lodged in it, but now murderers”

    This spiral all began when, under Saul, the Israelites had sought a king to rule them "like all the other nations". They were reaping the consequences of rejecting God's Kingship and choosing, instead, "gods of this world". It seems as if God allowed their desire to run its full course (but....even in the end.....there was still mercy and a "way out" through Jesus' instruction to "flee to the mountains" that many faithful followed). ​
     
  14. mkgal1

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    Edited: It's in v 26....

    Daniel 9:26 ~ And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. (KJV)
     
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  15. LittleLambofJesus

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    Hello mkgal.
    I never use the KJperVersion, but it does read quite beautifully.

    That aside, do you and or other remember this thread? It is super hot LOL........

    Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?

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    Daniel 9:
    24 ‘Sevens, seventy are determined for thy people, and for thy holy city, to shut up the transgression, and to seal up sins, and to cover iniquity, and to bring in righteousness age-during, and to seal up vision and prophet, and to anoint the holy of holies.
    25 And thou dost know, and dost consider wisely, from the going forth of the word to restore and to build Jerusalem till Messiah the Leader [is] seven weeks, and sixty and two weeks: the broad place hath been built again, and the rampart, even in the distress of the times.
    26 And after the sixty and two weeks, cut off is Messiah, and the city and the holy place are not his, the Leader who hath come doth destroy the people; and its end [is] with a flood, and till the end [is] war, determined [are] desolations.
    27 And he hath strengthened a covenant with many — one week, and [in] the midst of the week he causeth sacrifice and present to cease, and by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, even till the consummation, and that which is determined is poured on the desolate one.’

    Daniel 9:24
    ‘Seventy<7657> sevens <7620>
    7657 shib`iym. shib-eem' multiple of 7651; seventy:--seventy, threescore and ten (+ -teen).
    7620 shabuwa` shaw-boo'-ah or shabuan {shaw-boo'-ah}; also (feminine) shbu.ah {sheb-oo-aw'}; properly, passive participle of 7650 as a denominative of 7651; literal, sevened, i.e. a week (specifically, of years):--seven, week.

    are decreed<2852> upon thy people<5971>,
    Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?

    2852 chathak khaw-thak' a primitive root; properly, to cut off, i.e. (figuratively) to decree:--determine.
    5971 `am am from 6004; a people (as a congregated unit); specifically, a tribe (as those of Israel); hence (collectively) troops or attendants; figuratively, a flock:--folk, men, nation, people.

    and upon city-of<5892> holiness<6944> of thee
    Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?

    5892 `iyr eer or (in the plural) par {awr}; or ayar (Judges 10:4) {aw-yar'}; from 5782 a city (a place guarded by waking or a watch) in the widest sense (even of a mere encampment or post):--Ai (from margin), city, court (from margin), town.
    6944 qodesh ko'-desh from 6942; a sacred place or thing; rarely abstract, sanctity:--consecrated (thing), dedicated (thing), hallowed (thing), holiness, (X most) holy (X day, portion, thing), saint, sanctuary.

    to shut up/refrain<3607> the transgression<6588>,
    Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?
    Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?

    3607 kala' kaw-law' a primitive root; to restrict, by act (hold back or in) or word (prohibit):--finish, forbid, keep (back), refrain, restrain, retain, shut up, be stayed, withhold.
    6588 pesha` peh'-shah from 6586; a revolt (national, moral or religious):--rebellion, sin, transgression, trespass.

    and to seal-up <2856>[finish<8552>] of sins<2403>,
    Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?

    2856 chatham khaw-tham' a primitive root; to close up; especially to seal:--make an end, mark, seal (up), stop.
    2403 chatta'ah khat-taw-aw' or chattacth {khat-tawth'}; from 2398; an offence (sometimes habitual sinfulness), and its penalty, occasion, sacrifice, or expiation; also (concretely) an offender:--punishment (of sin), purifying(-fication for sin), sin(-ner, offering).

    and to cover/make-atonement <3722> iniquity<5771>,
    Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?

    3722 kaphar kaw-far' a primitive root; to cover (specifically with bitumen); figuratively, to expiate or condone, to placate or cancel:-- appease, make (an atonement, cleanse, disannul, forgive, be merciful, pacify, pardon, purge (away), put off, (make) reconcile(-liation).
    5771 `avon aw-vone' or oavown (2 Kings 7:9; Psalm 51:5 (7)) {aw-vone'}; from 5753; perversity, i.e. (moral) evil:--fault, iniquity, mischeif, punishment (of iniquity), sin.

    and to bring in<935> righteousness<6664> age-during<5769>,
    Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?
    Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?
    Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?

    935 bow' bo a primitive root; to go or come (in a wide variety of applications):--abide, apply, attain, X be, befall, + besiege, bring (forth, in, into, to pass)...........
    6664 tsedeq tseh'-dek from 6663; the right (natural, moral or legal); also (abstractly) equity or (figuratively) prosperity:--X even, (X that which is altogether) just(-ice), ((un-))right(-eous) (cause, -ly, - ness).
    5769 `owlam o-lawm' or lolam {o-lawm'}; from 5956; properly, concealed, i.e. the vanishing point; generally, time out of mind (past or future), i.e. (practically) eternity; frequentatively, adverbial (especially with prepositional prefix) always:--alway(-s), ancient (time), any more, continuance, eternal,..........

    and to seal up<2856> vision and prophet<5030>,
    Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?
    Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?

    2856 chatham khaw-tham' a primitive root; to close up; especially to seal:--make an end, mark, seal (up), stop.
    5030 nabiy' naw-bee' from 5012; a prophet or (generally) inspired man:--prophecy, that prophesy, prophet.

    and to anoint<4886> holy<6944> of holies<6944>.
    Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?
    4886 mashach maw-shakh' a primitive root; to rub with oil, i.e. to anoint; by implication, to consecrate; also to paint:--anoint, paint.
    6944 qodesh ko'-desh from 6942; a sacred place or thing; rarely abstract, sanctity:--consecrated (thing), dedicated (thing), hallowed (thing), holiness, (X most) holy (X day, portion, thing), saint, sanctuary.

    Here is the greek LLX of that verse

    https://studybible.info/LXX_WH/Daniel 9:24


    Daniel 9:24
    ἑβδομήκοντα ἑβδομάδες συνετμήθησαν ἐπὶ τὸν λαόν σου
    καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν πόλιν τὴν ἁγίαν σου τοῦ συντελεσθῆναι ἁμαρτίαν
    καὶ τοῦ σφραγίσαι ἁμαρτίας
    καὶ ἀπαλεῖψαι τὰς ἀνομίας
    καὶ τοῦ ἐξιλάσασθαι ἀδικίας
    καὶ τοῦ ἀγαγεῖν δικαιοσύνην αἰώνιον
    καὶ τοῦ σφραγίσαι ὅρασιν
    καὶ προφήτην καὶ τοῦ χρῖσαι ἅγιον ἁγίων
    [/QUOTE]

    Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?
    Daniel 9:25

    Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?
    Daniel 9:26


    Is there a "gap" in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9"


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    2. Yes
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    3. I don't know
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    4. Other
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  16. The Righterzpen

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    Scripture says He rose on the 1st day of the week. (Matthew 28:1)

    John 19:31 states the Jews wanted the bodies off the crosses that day because the sabbath was the next day.

    1 Corinthians 15:4 said Jesus rose the third day. Scripture never says He was dead for three whole days.

    Put all these Scriptures together, the only conclusion we can come to is that He died on Friday.
     
  17. The Righterzpen

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    Good question. Never thought about it in regards to that passage.

    Scripture doesn't give us any historical clues about this eclipse and John the Baptist; or about the coin; but that could have been the historic allegory they would have seen played out in real time.

    Kind of reminds me of this: (The highlighted section particularly.) This is an example where something people in the 1st century saw regularly would have sparked more recognition for them, then it does for us 2000 years later.

    END TIMES?

    Chapter 3

    What the mark, the man and the number is NOT:

    Now the most popular "historical" interpretation is that the beast is the Roman Catholic Church. This interpretation primarily comes out of the Protestant Reformation; which started with Martin Luther when he nailed his 95 thesis to the door of his own perish.

    The next "historical" interpretation to come to us, surfaced around the same time and basically was a response from the Roman Catholic Church to the reformers who were saying Roman Catholicism was the beast of Revelation 13. This eschatological schema is called Preterism; which (with the rightful recognition that Christ has not returned yet) has various tenants of its own. (Partial and Full)

    Preterists basically say that the beast, the mark, the man and his number are referring to the Roman Empire / Emperor Nero. Ironically though, to my knowledge early church writings are "silent" on their interpretation of Revelation 13. Are there records that exist somewhere that are not available to the public? That may be the case, but as far as any Internet research I've been able to do on early Christian interpretations of Revelation 13, I've come up with nothing.

    Interestingly though, this Preterist interpretation that points the finger at Nero, uses a numeric system to translate Greek letters that represent numbers, into Hebrew letters that represent numbers, into Hebrew spellings of (in this case Greek) names. (Pretty confusing huh?) This system is called "Gematria". Gematria though is not a Biblical system of interpretation. No-where does God instruct people to derive interpretations this way. Gematria comes from the Kabbalah. Kabbalahic writings first began to appear about the 12th Century AD and have many similarities to astrology and the occult.

    So again, taking our clues from the Scripture itself, is there anything else in the Bible that tells us anything about a name, mark, or the number 666?

    Literal meaning of "mark":

    So, I thought that maybe part of the answer might come from looking at the word itself. The Greek word "mark" used in "mark of the beast" means "gouge". It is a derivative of a military term meaning "siege trench". In ancient days, cities were built on top of hills because that made them easier to defend. Soldiers on city walls could shoot arrows at those laying siege, who were on the ground under them. So to offer themselves some protection as a counter measure to the soldiers on the walls, those laying siege would dig trenches (usually in a zig zag pattern). Siege trenches were used for centuries and even to the point where we get up to WWI, we see the defensive/protective purposes of digging trenches.

    So, why would the "mark of the beast" be a "siege trench" in the realm of economic "buying and selling"? I'm not sure, but it could be that those who are passively imparted with it, are being economically sieged upon for the benefit of those who actively receive the mark and worship the beast.

    The Number 666:

    First off, to be dually noted; there are two different variants of texts used for this number. In some of the Greek texts, "six hundred three score and six" is written out in word form just as you see it here. In other texts though, the abbreviated form that uses the letters of the Greek alphabet as "short hand" for actually writing out the numbers is used instead. (chi=600, xi=60, sigma=6)

    In the "short hand" version, "sigma" in Greek has come to be an obsolete character by this time of the first century writing of Revelation. The "Sigma" character has come to mean "a mark of ownership" upon the person who bears the number or character (what ever that be) noted in what ever Greek lettering context it is being used in. It was a mark used in tattoo form on soldiers and slaves to denote what master or commander they belonged to.

    To fully grasp the concept of this though, one has to understand a bit about soldiers, slaves and military life. In ancient Rome, the only way a slave could become a citizen was to join the army. He had to do so with permission of the master though. If a commander took slaves in battle, often times those slaves would become incorporated into the legion that captured them. If they proved their mettle as good servants, they could become free men through joining the army. So often times they would be tattooed with the number of their legion / army commander, in order that no one could take them from their potential access to freedom and citizenship. This was true also for free born soldiers who came into the army, yet who weren't citizens either. They could not be mistaken for and taken as slaves, if they bore the mark of their Roman legion and it's commander.

    Interestingly, at this point "sigma" was represented as a cross.

    Notice that this use of a "mark" is of a different origin and meaning than the "siege trench" word used for the "mark of the beast".

    Now keeping this in mind, let's look at the only other place in Scripture where the number 666 is used.


    Ezra 2:13:

    Here is the only other place in the Bible that uses the number 666. This chapter of Ezra is a record of the families that are returning from Babylonian captivity. Upon return from the Babylonian captivity to Jerusalem, the people were numbered. This goes back to Exodus when God commanded Moses to count the people for census reasons. (Numbers 1:2) Interestingly, verse 3 tells the reason the census was taken after leaving Egypt. They were counted in preparation for war.

    So thus we see the people are counted on both occasions coming out of captivity. In Ezra though, the text doesn't tell us that they were counted in preparation for war. Having been appointed by King Cyrus, Zerubbabel's task was to rebuild the temple. (Nehemiah's was to rebuild the wall.)

    Of note: compare this to the 144,000 also "counted" (although being so great in number that no man can count them) coming out of the tribulation.

    So, these 666 are the descendants of a man named Adonikam. He is a descendant of king David and he has returned from Babylon with 666 descendants; three of which are named as Eliphelet, Jeiel and Shemaiah.

    Interestingly Adonikam's name means "The Lord is raised".

    Eliphelet means "God is deliverance".

    Jeiel means "God lives".

    Shemaiah means "Yahweh hears".

    So if 666 is a number from a census, what exactly does this mean?

    The text of Revelation itself may actually give us the answer. The Greek in Revelation tells the wise to "calculate the (subtracted) number of the beast; the number of the man and that number is 666". The phrase "number of the man" is a definitive article. It is "the man" not "a man". So actually what the wise are instructed to do here is to calculate the number that is subtracted from the number of the beast. That number is the number of "the man" and his number is 666. Interesting huh!

    Ezekiel 9:

    Here is the next Scripture passage that talks about marks on foreheads. The first chapter of the book of Ezekiel starts out while the people of Israel are still in captivity. "In the 5th day of the 5th year of King Jehoiachin's captivity…." God comes to Ezekiel and all through these following chapters God speaks of judgement that will befall Israel.

    Chapter 8 starts out: "In the 6th year of the 6th month of the 5th day…" (Interesting - the day before 666?)

    When we get to chapter 9; God tells Ezekiel to call the men who have charge over Jerusalem to come to him. One of these men has a writing utensil and ink and God tells this man to walk through all the city and mark the foreheads of all those who are walking about bewailing the loss of their idols. (They've just come back to Jerusalem from captivity in Babylon.) Than after all these are marked, God commands the other men who have charge of the city to walk through and slay all those with this mark on their foreheads.

    So interestingly, in all three passages here we have people being counted and marked. The circumstance of the events revolve around the Babylonian captivity and preparing for war. Of note too; those who are doing the marking and slaying in Ezekiel are the servants of God. Those of Avonikam (The Lord is raised) are the 666.

    So, what does all this tell us?

    666 is apparently a census number of those separated out from the beast who belong to "the man". They don't have the mark of destruction on their foreheads because they have the name of their Father on their foreheads. They are the ones in the end, who slay those with the mark of the beast on their foreheads. "The man" who's number is 666, can only be Christ!

    Chapter 3 sum up:

    So, returning to our hypothetical 1st century Christian; it's easy to see how there is some continuity in this interpretation. It isn't divorced from history and is something a reader in the 1st century could certainly understand; since it is based in Scripture from the past.

    I find it fascinating how historical context (the slaves, soldiers and the mark) fits in with the context of the book of Revelation; and also would have been something 1st century Christians would have been familiar with. Thus is just the testimony of the genius of God in the penning of the Scripture I suppose; that even the shorthand form of the numeric system used is Divinely inspired.

    I think its also cool that the "sigma" was actually a cross.
     
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  18. mkgal1

    mkgal1 His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33 Supporter

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    Matthew 28:1 ~ And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre...

    It's not that clear to me. From what I understand, there were two Sabbaths that year (and the reference to "the first sabbath" seems to support that).

    Quoting from linked article: The first Sabbath occurred on the evening of the crucifixion (Mark 15:42 and Luke 23:52-54). Following this Sabbath, the women purchased spices (Mark 16:1). The Wednesday point of view holds that the "Sabbath" mentioned here was the Passover (see Leviticus 16:29-31; 23:24-32, 39 for examples of high holy days (Sabbaths) that are not necessarily the seventh day of the week). ~ Friday Crucifixion



    This is the verse that has me leaning towards believing it was a Wednesday crucifixion, because that allows for the fulfillment of Matthew 12:40 (three days and three nights as Jonah was in the belly of the whale).

    Matthew 12:40 ~ for, as Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights, so shall the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.

    Also......I have read that there was a belief in ancient Judaism that a soul sort of "stayed around" for three days - and that was the reason for Jesus to have waited to raise Lazarus from the dead (otherwise - the ancient Jews wouldn't have seen His raising of Lazarus as any big deal).

    I am not intending to be argumentative. I'm just sort of brainstorming on the possibilities. I am interested in your perspective and respect your ideas.
     
  19. The Righterzpen

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    Or this is an indication to us from the Scripture that the "sabbath" is now Sunday.

    "day of preparation" was the term they used for the day before the sabbath. It would be akin to us saying "Christmas eve".

    "Preparation of the passover" was not the day they were preparing for the passover; it was the "day of preparation" that fell within the passover week for the Saturday that followed the passover. Passover never fell on the same day of the week every year. When it says the chief priests wouldn't go into the judgment hall of Pilate because of the passover. They had untill dawn to eat the passover and the sun hadn't come up yet.

    The problem here is He can't rise on the 3rd day if He's three literal days and three literal nights "in the heart of the earth".

    For arguments sake; let's assume Wednesay

    He died at the end of the day.
    So that night = night one of being dead. (Wednesday into Thursday)
    next day = day one of being dead. (Thursday)
    next night = night two of being dead. (Thursday night)
    next day = day two of being dead. (Friday)
    next night = night three of being dead. (Friday night)
    next day = day three of being dead.

    You have him resurrecting at dusk; which would be the 4th night, not the 3rd day. In order for Jesus to rise on the 3rd day, if He'd been crucified on Wednesday; that means He would have risen on Saturday and being a day of rest where one is not suppose to labor would not make any sense either.

    I've heard that too. As far as the belief relating to Lazarus; if it was actually a contemporary belief of that day, that may have been the "cultural reason" to wait.

    As far as Scripture goes though. Obviously it's not Scriptural. Jesus's soul and human spirit ascended to heaven upon death.

    One of the difficulties in determining whether or not something was actually a belief of the time; unless we have a contemporary written document that states that was the belief, it can't be proven. A lot of these alleged ancient Jewish beliefs come out of the Talmud. The Talmud was basically written as a counter argument to Christianity and was completed in the 4th century. So, I would not trust that just because Rabbinic Judaism today say they believed "X" in the 1st century; that this was actually true. Most of the records were destroyed and so today we only have the most radical pharisees' side of the story.
     
  20. Maria Billingsley

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    There are other views on the subject of eschatology other than Dispensational Futurism. Here is a concise teaching on one of the other views. This view was held for centuries until the mid 19th century when John Nelson Darby made Dispensational Futurism popular.
    https://www.thenarrowpath.com/audio/verse-by-verse/daniel/07_2012_Daniel_9.24-9.27.mp3
     
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