End Time in Daniel

The Righterzpen said:

Curious - how'd you come to those years?

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We know from Scripture that sacrifice and oblation cease in the 70th "week". That happened in the 1st century.

Brian Mcnamee said:

who is the pompous one in Daniel 7 : who is the prince to come who puts and end to the daily sacrifice after Messiah has been cut off and the temple destroyed? this would require s 3rd temple for him to commit the abomination of desolation.

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Sacrifice and oblation have ceased. The Temple was desecrated by worship done to Caesar, in the Temple. Caesar had proclaimed himself a god, if you'll recall. That it was also destroyed is obvious. C'mon, can we at least acknowledge history?

mkgal1 said:

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That's it in a nutshell.

The Righterzpen said:

Now in relation to coins - ya wanna see something scary? !!!!!! From what I hear; some version of this coin is slated to be the "temple tax".
Israeli group mints Trump's face on coin following US Embassy move to Jerusalem

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"Israeli group". Right. I remember an American group a few years ago that claimed to be the legitimate government of the Republic of Texas. Uh huh, sure. We need to keep at least a light grasp on reality.

The Righterzpen said:

Now interestingly, on the front of this coin has Tiberius "in eclipse" but on the back of this coin has the Jewish temple!

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Or the Parthenon in Nashville.

Brian Mcnamee said:

who is the pompous one in Daniel 7 : who is the prince to come who puts and end to the daily sacrifice after Messiah has been cut off and the temple destroyed? this would require s 3rd temple for him to commit the abomination of desolation. We are watching these events come to pass in real time.

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The Anti-Christ/Little Horn on the first two.

The False Prophet stops Jesus Worship on the 3rd question.

You see, Israel REPENTS BEFORE the Day of The Lord so says Malachi 4:5-6, that is why they know to Flee Judea, they are heeding Jesus' Matt. 24:15-17 warning, because they have REPENTED just like Zechariah 13:8-9 says, 1/3 will repent and 2/3 will perish, then...THEN the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem {Mediterranean Sea Region/Many} in Zechariah 14:1-2 and afterwards Jesus delivers the world and Jerusalem from his tyrannical leader in Zechariah 14:3-4.

So the False Prophet at the 1290, 30 days before the 1260, takes away the sacrifice, he refuses to allow the new converts to worship Jesus in the Temple of God. Why would God honor a people sacrificing to a false god ? He wouldn't, He rejected them because they rejected Jesus !!

Zechariah 12:10 says they UNDERSTAND that Jesus, whom they pierced is their true Messiah !! Amen.

Jane Chai said:

There will be 7 weeks and after a 'big thing's happen, the Messiah will come to Jerusalem.

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There will be: seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.' 69 x 7 = 483 years. This is exactly what happened. seven 'sevens' is the length of a jubilee.

klutedavid said:

The temple will no be rebuilt and animal sacrifices will not ever return.

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They are ready to go. All they need is control over the temple mount and they can begin the sacrifices within 24 hours. So the very day they take control the sacrifices can begin. The Levi are trained and they have the vessels and the animals to sacrifice.

The Temple Vessels Are Ready for the Rebuilding of Jerusalem's Third Temple | Messianic Bible

jgr said:

What would be the BC/AD start/end year dates?

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Did you.... not read it? 70 literal weeks is 32 to 33 AD.

Jipsah said:

Or the Parthenon in Nashville.

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Do you need documentation that there was an eclipse that marked the commencement of Tiberius's 15 year?

The Righterzpen said:

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Did you.... not read it? 70 literal weeks is 32 to 33 AD.

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What "commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem" was issued in 32 AD?

joshua 1 9 said:

They are ready to go. All they need is control over the temple mount and they can begin the sacrifices within 24 hours. So the very day they take control the sacrifices can begin. The Levi are trained and they have the vessels and the animals to sacrifice.

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They expect to rebuild a third temple thereon.

But something entirely predictable happened the last time that was attempted.

I'm stocked up on popcorn for the next attempt.

Sozomen (ca. A.D.375-447)
"Ecclesiastical History"
Book V, Chapter XXII

Though the emperor [Julian the Apostate] hated and opressed the Christians, he manifested benevolence and humanity towards the Jews. He wrote to the Jewish patriarchs and leaders, as well as to the people, requesting them to pray for him, and for the prosperity of the empire. In taking this step he was not actuated, I am convinced, by any respect for their religion; for he was aware that it is, so to speak, the mother of the Christian religion, and he knew that both religions rest upon the authority of the patriarchs and the prophets; but he thought to grieve the Christians by favoring the Jews, who are their most inveterate enemies. But perhaps he also calculated upon persuading the Jews to embrace paganism and sacrifices; for they were only acquainted with the mere letter of Scripture, and could not, like the Christians and a few of the wisest among the Hebrews, discern the hidden meaning.

Events proved that this was his real motive; for he sent for some of the chiefs of the race and exhorted them to return to the observance of the laws of Moses and the customs of their fathers. On their replying that because the temple in Jerusalem was overturned, it was neither lawful nor ancestral to do this in another place than the metropolis out of which they had been cast, he gave them public money, commanded them to rebuild the temple, and to practice the cult similar to that of their ancestors, by sacrificing after the ancient way. The Jews entered upon the undertaking, without reflecting that, according to the prediction of the holy prophets, it could not be accomplished. They sought for the most skillful artisans, collected materials, cleared the ground, and entered so earnestly upon the task, that even the women carried heaps of earth, and brought their necklaces and other female ornaments towards defraying the expense. The emperor, the other pagans, and all the Jews, regarded every other undertaking as secondary in importance to this. Although the pagans were not well-disposed towards the Jews, yet they assisted them in this enterprise, because they reckoned upon its ultimate success, and hoped by this means to falsify the prophecies of Christ. Besides this motive, the Jews themselves were impelled by the consideration that the time had arrived for rebuilding their temple. When they had removed the ruins of the former building, they dug up the ground and cleared away its foundation; it is said that on the following day when they were about to lay the first foundation, a great earthquake occurred, and by the violent agitation of the earth, stones were thrown up from the depths, by which those of the Jews who were engaged in the work were wounded, as likewise those who were merely looking on. The houses and public porticos, near the site of the temple, in which they had diverted themselves, were suddenly thrown down; many were caught thereby, some perished immediately, others were found half dead and mutilated of hands or legs, others were injured in other parts of the body. When God caused the earthquake to cease, the workmen who survived again returned to their task, partly because such was the edict of the emperor, and partly because they were themselves interested in the undertaking. Men often, in endeavoring to gratify their own passions, seek what is injurious to them, reject what would be truly advantageous, and are deluded-by the idea that nothing is really useful except what is agreeable to them. When once led astray by this error, they are no longer able to act in a manner conducive to their own interests, or to take warning by the calamities which are visited upon them.

The Jews, I believe, were just in this state; for, instead of regarding this unexpected earthquake as a manifest indication that God was opposed to the re-erection of their temple, they proceeded to recommence the work. But all parties relate, that they had scarcely returned to the undertaking, when fire burst suddenly from the foundations of the temple, and consumed several of the workmen.

This fact is fearlessly stated, and believed by all; the only discrepancy in the narrative is that some maintain that flame burst from the interior of the temple, as the workmen were striving to force an entrance, while others say that the fire proceeded directly from the earth. In whichever way the phenomenon might have occurred, it is equally wonderful. A more tangible and still more extraordinary prodigy ensued; suddenly the sign of the cross appeared spontaneously on the garments of the persons engaged in the undertaking. These crosses were disposed like stars, and appeared the work of art. Many were hence led to confess that Christ is God, and that the rebuilding of the temple was not pleasing to Him; others presented themselves in the church, were initiated, and besought Christ, with hymns and supplications, to pardon their transgression. If any one does not feel disposed to believe my narrative, let him go and be convinced by those who heard the facts I have related from the eyewitnesses of them, for they are still alive. Let him inquire, also, of the Jews and pagans who left the work in an incomplete state, or who, to speak more accurately, were able to commence it.

jgr said:

They expect to rebuild a third temple thereon.

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They are ready to build a temple, at first they will set up a tent as they did in the wilderness.

joshua 1 9 said:

They are ready to build a temple, at first they will set up a tent as they did in the wilderness.

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Should be some great entertainment.

mkgal1 said:

It's the accepted teaching of the Orthodox church (for one). Here's an image for those that are more visual:

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In the middle of the week the messiah will be cutoff?

joshua 1 9 said:

They are ready to go. All they need is control over the temple mount and they can begin the sacrifices within 24 hours. So the very day they take control the sacrifices can begin. The Levi are trained and they have the vessels and the animals to sacrifice.

The Temple Vessels Are Ready for the Rebuilding of Jerusalem's Third Temple | Messianic Bible

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Your trying to tell me that a democratic western society is going to rebuild a two thousand year old religious temple. So that it can sacrifice hundreds of bulls a day to atone for their sin?

How will they get a majority in Parliament in order to authorize the rebuilding of the temple?
When 70% of the Jewish population are not even under the law of Moses. They probably don't even read the Old Testament.

I seem to have trouble seeing how a twenty first century society, want's to sacrifice an oxen for their sin?

joshua 1 9 said:

There will be: seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.' 69 x 7 = 483 years. This is exactly what happened. seven 'sevens' is the length of a jubilee.

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You left out a week.

The number of weeks is seventy weeks.

Douggg said:

In the middle of the week the messiah will be cutoff?

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Why's that a question?

jgr said:

What "commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem" was issued in 32 AD?

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Have knowledge and be prudent, that from the point of exit of the command to turn back and build Jerusalem, until the Messiah be declared Commander, shall be seven weeks and sixty and two; turned back and built the plaza square and the sharp threshing tool even in tribulation appointed time.

The "exit of the command to turn back and build Jerusalem" was John's death. John preached repentance. His was "the baptism of repentance".

This is 69 weeks. There's 69 weeks from the death of John the Baptist to Jesus's ascension into heaven. (Which was one week before Pentecost.) Upon ascending into heaven He is declared the commander and chief of the armies of God. All dominion was given unto Him upon the resurrection. (Ephesians 1)

The Righterzpen said:

Have knowledge and be prudent, that from the point of exit of the command to turn back and build Jerusalem, until the Messiah be declared Commander, shall be seven weeks and sixty and two; turned back and built the plaza square and the sharp threshing tool even in tribulation appointed time.

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Dunno what Bible you're quoting from.

What version is that?