hey all, i know from experience when i was suffering bad from the thoughts how down on yourself you can be because you are being accused of many things. all you want to do is return to God with your whole heart and not only are the thoughts trying to make you see Him in a bad light, they also try to make yourself feel down about who you are. sometimes i would question if i was good or evil, if i really believed these things, and it was so hard to love yourself. i encourage you all to believe the Word of God, over your feelings no matter how bad it seems. because we know that God is truth and greater is He that is in us than he that is in the world. the Bible said many are the afflictions of the righteous and while we may view ourselves far from righteous, the Bible says that the "just" shall walk by faith and not by sight. God loves us and we are precious in His eyes, and we continue to walk toward Him despite the obstacles thrown in our way, how we struggle to do right even when evil is all around us, and how we believe Him despite almost everything in the world trying to convice us that He never existed. i want you all to look how Jesus responded to the accusations in Mark 15:1-5. they accused Him of many things but He didn't feed into that. He only responded to the truth. some days we are called everything, whether internal or external, than a child of God and i know how hard it is not to put energy into these accusations but we mustnt. we have to believe that God knows our heart and while we're being targetted and hit with many things, we must trust God. as i was praying before i wrote this post, the Holy Spirit reminded me of John 13:3. Jesus didn't let His cirumstance get to Him because He knew that despite how it looked, 1. God had given Him what He had given and nothing (persecution, the devil, ect) could take that away. God has given us love, the power of the Holy Spirit, and many other promises that no sickness can take away. He also knew that 2. whose He was. when we are born again, we become children of God. believing on the name of Jesus, restores our fellowship with the Father. nobody, not these thoughts, the devil, the world should be able to convince us otherwise because we know that God would never lie. and being His comes with a lot of benefits =) Jesus also knew that 3. where He was going. its common that doing this trial, we doubt our salvation. we wonder how could we go to Heaven when things like this run in our head. but we must again turn to the Word of God, Jesus said that whoever believeth and is baptized shall br saved. we must believe that, walk that, and breathe that. God doesn't want us to question our salvation, but He gives us the right to know how it all ends -- we will win! i just wanted to encourage you all to press forward and believe God and not your feelings. just a year ago i was on the brink of destruction with us and now i have days where i don't even remember if i had a bad thought about Him. it is nothing i did, but God heals us all according to the season that He has designed. sometimes they come, but God has taught me through this experience that i must walk by faith and not by sight. when we begin to trust Him, despite what's pounding our heads, we will experience joy. there were some days i had set backs but even on the days where i was weak, God was still strong. i pray for you all my brothers and sisters, the children of the light, beloved of the most High God, and remember God is with us ! pray despite it all, praise despite it all, read the Word despite it all, fast despite it all, fellowship with the saints despite it all and continue to go to God despite it all. He is faithful and able, when has He ever failed ?
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All I have to say is...dont people want to be set free from this? live a life with joy and peace..you know saying trust in God...one day things will be better. doesnt it seem much hope.. you know only in this faith do we get the "hope" of waiting for "one" day things will get better..what does it teach anyone to be sick their entire life hoping "one" day things will be better..when their life passes them by? are they to learn to "enjoy" life even with their disabilties? its ok to accept and be happy being sick? like some greater listen learning to enjoy life no matter what?
its all nice sounding. filled with the Spirit..oh trust in God..his goodness etc...telling people to accept medicority..hope in God..their life passes them by..like you think its some great thing watching someone with no limb preach about God and how happy they are!?
its funny..it sounds good.but!....what do people get when they trust..some type of hope that will not come? words sound good..but words without works is dead....aka faith without action is dead
what do people get watching their life pass them by..hoping one day their life will be better..dont they deserve some goodness? sickness illness circumstances etc...what good does it do anyone being told to wait...one day things will get better??
does anyone benefit being told some type of higher purpose in their suffering? some type of learning experience in patience
you are christian..you should be able to answer this..you are called too
its all nice sounding. filled with the Spirit..oh trust in God..his goodness etc...telling people to accept medicority..hope in God..their life passes them by..like you think its some great thing watching someone with no limb preach about God and how happy they are!?
its funny..it sounds good.but!....what do people get when they trust..some type of hope that will not come? words sound good..but words without works is dead....aka faith without action is dead
what do people get watching their life pass them by..hoping one day their life will be better..dont they deserve some goodness? sickness illness circumstances etc...what good does it do anyone being told to wait...one day things will get better??
does anyone benefit being told some type of higher purpose in their suffering? some type of learning experience in patience
you are christian..you should be able to answer this..you are called too
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im not sure what you are quite getting at in your response to my post. and im trying to say this out of love the best way that i can. the reason i posted this message was because i saw a similarity in our suffering and Jesus. Jesus prayed to the Father to let a horrible hour pass Him, and it didnt. We too have prayed for God for such hour to pass over us, and it didnt. if God doesnt move the mountain, as my pastor says, He gives us the strength to endure it. and that's my testimony! sometimes we have to go through great sufferings, to reach our grand testimonies. i cannot question why God does what He does, but i know that He is the source of good, and in that is where my trust lies. In ROmans 8:28 the Bible says that "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose." so according to His word, and not my feelings, even this will be turned around for my own good and day by day im seeing how it is.
at first i didnt see the victory in all of this. the fact that we're still alive is a victory. the fact that we still press on, even in days of confusion in fear is a victory. some have given up on God because of this. some have hated Him because of this. some have died because of this and while i dont know all the answers, i know that giving up on God is not the right one.
you asked me why do i encourage the saints of God to wait. well because the Bibles says in Isaih 40:31 that "But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint."
i remember our earlier posts and how you felt like i was throwing Bible verses at you, and that's not what i am trying to do, but the only thing we have to stand on is God's word. that's what we must stand on. if not, we will stand on our feeble feelings and find ourselves falling to the ground every single time. God left His word for us, on record, that we may read and learn of Him, and learn of His will for our lives. we must stand on God's word period. Jeremiah 29: 11 tells me that "For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end." so this is what we have to remind ourselves, no matter what deception is portraying GOd as the bad guy and no matter how we feel, GOd, who is good, did not create us just to suffer in a life that was unbearable and impossible. with GOd all things are possible, and no matter what tries to come our way, i know our Father will turn it around in our favor.
and you are right, faith without works is dead. in my original post i encouraged the saints to hold on and reminded them of the practice of their faith, and we continue to walk toward Him despite the obstacles thrown in our way, how we struggle to do right even when evil is all around us, and how we believe Him despite almost everything in the world trying to convice us that He never existed.
hope this helped some. i can, and only i can, testify on what GOd has done for me. and i used to suffer bad from teh thoughts, almost everythign that everyone is goign through has been the case for me too, i speak as one who knows what its like to cry at night and think that death is better than life, goign out and feeling numb in the world because you cannot feel an ounce of joy inside, how nobody understands you and you feel alone and like the most evil and worst person. but all the while, i refused to give up on God. even though i may have given up on myself, and because of His goodness, He has given me relief. i barely have teh thoughts, the constant cycles, the fear, the anxiety. as Jesus, i too know what God has given me, i too know that i am His, and i do know that i am going with Him when this is all over and it is because of these same facts that i feel so much better inside. and i thought that if i shared it with others, they will too.
praying for you my brother
at first i didnt see the victory in all of this. the fact that we're still alive is a victory. the fact that we still press on, even in days of confusion in fear is a victory. some have given up on God because of this. some have hated Him because of this. some have died because of this and while i dont know all the answers, i know that giving up on God is not the right one.
you asked me why do i encourage the saints of God to wait. well because the Bibles says in Isaih 40:31 that "But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint."
i remember our earlier posts and how you felt like i was throwing Bible verses at you, and that's not what i am trying to do, but the only thing we have to stand on is God's word. that's what we must stand on. if not, we will stand on our feeble feelings and find ourselves falling to the ground every single time. God left His word for us, on record, that we may read and learn of Him, and learn of His will for our lives. we must stand on God's word period. Jeremiah 29: 11 tells me that "For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end." so this is what we have to remind ourselves, no matter what deception is portraying GOd as the bad guy and no matter how we feel, GOd, who is good, did not create us just to suffer in a life that was unbearable and impossible. with GOd all things are possible, and no matter what tries to come our way, i know our Father will turn it around in our favor.
and you are right, faith without works is dead. in my original post i encouraged the saints to hold on and reminded them of the practice of their faith, and we continue to walk toward Him despite the obstacles thrown in our way, how we struggle to do right even when evil is all around us, and how we believe Him despite almost everything in the world trying to convice us that He never existed.
hope this helped some. i can, and only i can, testify on what GOd has done for me. and i used to suffer bad from teh thoughts, almost everythign that everyone is goign through has been the case for me too, i speak as one who knows what its like to cry at night and think that death is better than life, goign out and feeling numb in the world because you cannot feel an ounce of joy inside, how nobody understands you and you feel alone and like the most evil and worst person. but all the while, i refused to give up on God. even though i may have given up on myself, and because of His goodness, He has given me relief. i barely have teh thoughts, the constant cycles, the fear, the anxiety. as Jesus, i too know what God has given me, i too know that i am His, and i do know that i am going with Him when this is all over and it is because of these same facts that i feel so much better inside. and i thought that if i shared it with others, they will too.
praying for you my brother
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the point stands...what is good to you? you say God is good..He is your hope..is their any reality of that hope and goodness..or are you just believing blindly..so you can and others feel better?
like are you and others believing just making yourselves feel better in something that otherwise most people would become bitter and angry at..
the point of replying was to question and get an answer...because alot of people want to know..who are they trusting in..and is it worth it..or is just feeling of believing in something "good" and "hopeful" which just makes them feel better in the current situation..is there any reality to it..or just some type of belief that sustains people..a false hope..
we all suffer in this life..its granted..but how can anyone get comfort telling them to hope in God he will deliver you..he will sustain..when all it is some type of crutch to lean on when nothing is done to ease or deliver that person..
like you can say..you dont know Gods ways..but people ask.and ask..why why..you say good is good...but you cant truly share it for yourself..broadly yes..yes you can..but its all vague
..but thats about it
like are you and others believing just making yourselves feel better in something that otherwise most people would become bitter and angry at..
the point of replying was to question and get an answer...because alot of people want to know..who are they trusting in..and is it worth it..or is just feeling of believing in something "good" and "hopeful" which just makes them feel better in the current situation..is there any reality to it..or just some type of belief that sustains people..a false hope..
we all suffer in this life..its granted..but how can anyone get comfort telling them to hope in God he will deliver you..he will sustain..when all it is some type of crutch to lean on when nothing is done to ease or deliver that person..
like you can say..you dont know Gods ways..but people ask.and ask..why why..you say good is good...but you cant truly share it for yourself..broadly yes..yes you can..but its all vague
..but thats about it
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anyone can smile.and say I love you..and do nothing to ease that persons pain....what are you and we doing to people..because its this what you are saying to people about God...
wait.hope in God...is their any reality to people being set free or delivered? or does that matter?
wait.hope in God...is their any reality to people being set free or delivered? or does that matter?
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if i try something and it doesn't work, im not going to lie to make myself feel better or others and says that it works. and if God tells me something, and it doesn't SEEM like it works, then i will see the error in my misinterpretation of something because i believe God over my feelings any day. because i trust that He wouldn't lie to me, and i know that when you wait on Him it will come to pass. we are on Gods time, after all, and not our own. just because we don't see something happneing in the natural, doesn't mean God hasn't spoke it in our lives. He doesn't cause the rose to bloom before its time. now if we stay and wait, I know that it will come to pass because I know my Father. if we don't however, thats our loss. the old testimant testifies of Jesus coming in the flesh, it took years before it came to pass. some loss faith in God and some didn't. are we, who views the world through five senses, to question God, who knows all things, why He does what He does when He does how He does? thats what faith is about, believing when you don't have all the answers. you want to know is there any reality to his goodness and hope. i gave you the reality of His goodness using us as an example, if you feel it is no sufficient enough for you i am sorry. but any person who is forced 24 hours a day to believe God is evil and nothing but that and that we are alone and there is no hope and comes out of the situation with trust in God, and faith, well man, the goodness of God! for sustaining His servants, using every negative situation to turn it around for their good. as said in His word. as it says in His word, God has thoughts of peace toward us, not evil. so just because bad things happen don't mean He did them to us, but if wants to let these bad circumstances pass in our life to let our faith grow in Him, then if its the Lords will, so be it. He tells us all the time that there will be trials, "and they shall fight against thee but they shall not prevail against thee for i am with thee, said the Lord, to deliver thee"He didn't say they wouldn't fight He said they wouldn't prevail. i have spoke of the reality of the goodness of the Lord, and that indeed should give us hope in the Lord. for all the goodness He's done for me, so much can't even know where to begin, gives me hope. not only is my hope built from these situations, but my hope also comes from His word where it says we win at the end. if it is not enough for you, i don't know what to say. it used to seem like nothing God was speaking was evident in my life, but i didn't give up on Him. thats why i love going to church because even on my bad days, i get reminded of even the small good things God does for me. just the fact that He gives sunshine to unbelivers, people who deny Him, shows He is good and merciful. the fact that He makes the rain to fall on uninhabbited fields shows He's good. the fact that He created us and gives us provisions shows that He is good. the fact that He came down in flesh to redeem me shows He's good, is that not reality? even when i couldn't feel His goodness in my life, all i had was His word. stay in the word of God. it is your hope, it is reality.
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when it all gets too much, when it all gets too blurry, too confusing, go back to the cross. always go back the cross, the ultimate love lies there. there is His goodness, there is hope in salvation hope it helped a little more
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ok..you say God doesnt have evil towards us..thoughts of peace..yet you say he allows bad things to happen in order for our faith to grow in him..how can you explain that as good?
it comes down again..its like a double standard...again why do you believe? isnt it a crutch? a hope so you can make it through? is that why?
the cross doesnt mean much..anyone could of been there done that for any reason..anyone could of choosen to have died on that for any reason..its not much love glory..selfishness..family..etc
point stands..not trying to belittle..simply asking relative questions
whenever I go to church or here.I have to ask..is there a double standard..we preach goodness and love but theres always a hint of somethign else..another standard in order to justify bad into good.or good into bad
how do you view that
it comes down again..its like a double standard...again why do you believe? isnt it a crutch? a hope so you can make it through? is that why?
the cross doesnt mean much..anyone could of been there done that for any reason..anyone could of choosen to have died on that for any reason..its not much love glory..selfishness..family..etc
point stands..not trying to belittle..simply asking relative questions
whenever I go to church or here.I have to ask..is there a double standard..we preach goodness and love but theres always a hint of somethign else..another standard in order to justify bad into good.or good into bad
how do you view that
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you don't see the good in that? turning every bad situation around in our favor? we never lose ! it really bothers me that you don't see the good in that. what if we never went through anything? what if everytime something were to start to go bad God took it away ? how would we learn to trust in Him, how would we learn faith and patience, how would we grow? God didn't intend for the world to be this way, that is the cause of sin, and that is where our anger should be directed at. but He uses the moments that should kill us, that should harm us, that should make us use our faith and make us stronger. is there no good in that? when i first had the thoughts, all i wanted was for them to be over. i prayed over and over again and still they were there. i didn't understand, i knew God had the power to take them away and i didn't understand why He didn't. but i couldn't believe the lies of the enemy telling me that God hated me because there was calvary, and it wouldn't make sense for someone to die for me then abandon me. i didn't know all the answers, but thats where faith comes in. as much as i hate to say this, im glad it happened to me. even though it was painful, i didn't know God until i knew what it was like to be without God ( i got saved in the process of this trial) i didn't know true faith until I experienced fear, i didn't grasp patience until i had no other choice. these thoughts have taught me true faith, not off of my feelings, but off of the word of God. this is a war. what general do you know that sends his soldiers on dangerous grounds, knowing the strength of the enemy without training? we'd get eaten alive on the battlefield. there are evils unleased in this world, beyond our comprehension, and we have to be prepared for that. you many not see the purpose of your trial, but i have shared with you what i have learned from it. and now, when things that could have tore me up and just took me out come in my face, i laugh. i laugh because I've seen worse and I know better. i mean really, what is worse than this, what we have went through ? are going through? what could be worse than having evil thoughts inflicted upon you on your own will about the One who means the most? but even in this there is victory. im a living testimony. God loves you more than you will ever or no, and whether you accept it or not, it won't change how He feels about you. sometimes we have to go back, regroup, in times of uncertainty, those are oppertunities for faith. i used to feel like you felt. it felt like a was supposed to be a, but then it became a and b, and c wasn't just c anymore but now c and d. but as a pastor once said, even if its hard to grasp, even if its confusing and unclear, if God said it believe it anyway. and in due season. there are a lot of things that i read in the Bible that i don't understand and is waiting for God to reveal to me. thats every Christian. i don't have all the answers. but just because i don't understand something doesn't mean it isn't valid anymore. not trying say this for this particular situation, but there are some things we just can't handle now. would i teach my child to cast her net out on the line before i taught her how to hook the worm? and would i tell her that a blood sucking monster that lives in the swamp wants to eat her alive. if she was three? if she was ten? if she was twenty? what if she yelled at me for keeping her in the safety zone? what is she got mad that i let her pole sink to the ground. but she couldn't see that i knew that five years from now she would need a bigger one to catch a bigger fish. would she in that moment accept that she had to let go of the first fishing pole. God is our Father, He knows what He's doing. just through those in to get you thinking along those lines, i don't have all the answers as I've said before but i hoped this helped.
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I agree with ShelovesChrist! God is good in every thing that happens and does turn our bad experiences into something better. To make us stronger and happier!Thank you ShelovesChrist! You really have helped ME through my ocd and i actually feel like my ocd is finally going away. I dont believe the ocd thoughts i have anymore!
It's like the anxiety has went away. You are a true warrior of our Lord Jesus Christ and I mean that with all of my heart.
It's like the anxiety has went away. You are a true warrior of our Lord Jesus Christ and I mean that with all of my heart.
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thank you Jesusisgood, im glad that God has blessed us with a way to talk to each other. im grateful for you and others, because had not i found Christian forums and read similar struggles, id believe that i was on my own and that i was pure evil. but i see that there are others who pressing toward God despite what's thrown at them, and in the moments that i was forced to believe that it was me and that i was a horrible person, i remembered you all (= i pray for you all , and others who are suffering who are afraid to come out. God is with us. and im so happy the thoughts have no power over you. you know, sometimes i actually forget the pain when it had really hit me, like God has restored me and brought me out, and im grateful to hear that He's doing it for others. it shows those that are still suffering that there is real hope and deliverance, just keep with the Lord. im happy that you kept on keeping on with God (= to God be the glory. and to suffers, don't lose hope, we coming out !
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