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:idea: Any helpful suggestions on what else I could have said?

On their first visit Elder Fred and Elder Art, asked me to describe my concept of God.
"My focus is on God’s greatest attribute." I asked them, "Do you know what that attribute is?"

"That would have to be His love", Elder Fred replied.

"That is a good guess, but you are wrong!", I said. "If you turn to Revelation 4:8 you will find the answer."

They read, "They rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty."

"You see, the four beasts do not proclaim God’s love, but His holiness!", I told them. "Since God’s holiness is His most important attribute, it is important that we understand what holiness means. Could you define holiness?"

Elders Fred and Art did not understand what the word holy meant. To help them out I got out my Young’s Analytical Concordance to the Bible and they discovered that holy means to be separate or set apart.

"My God is separate, distinct, set apart from His creation", I told them. "If holiness means to be different, then the opposite of holiness must mean to be common. Man is common, separated from God, Who alone is holy. Do you know what the Biblical word for common is?", I asked them.

They did not, so I turned them to Ezekiel 22:26. They read, "Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: They have put no difference between the holy and the profane."

"Did you know that the NIV Version of the Bible translates this verse, ‘They do not distinguish between the holy and the common’? The words common and profane can be used interchangeably.", I explained.

"Did you know that the greatest sin one can commit is to profane God, to make Him common?" I asked them. "To profane God is a far more serious sin than even murder or adultery!"

The two elders had a problem with that concept, so I went to the Bible to prove my point. "What was the original sin?", I asked.

"Adam and Eve partaking of the fruit," they told me.

"No, the original sin was committed by Satan," I countered. "It is recorded in Isaiah 14:12-14, ‘How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.’

"Lucifer’s sin was to profane the holiness of God. He then tempted Adam and Eve to partake of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, saying, ‘Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil’ (Genesis 3:4-5). Lest we also be deceived by this statement given by Satan, Jesus warns, ‘that there is no truth in him, he is a liar and the father of lies’ (John 8:44)."

I continued, "One of the reasons why I could never join the Mormon church is that the your religion profaned God by saying, "As man is God once was, and as God is, man can become."

I was surprised when Elders Fred and Art returned for a second meeting. This time they wanted to prove that Joseph Smith was a prophet, and that the Book of Mormon was inspired by God.

I asked them, "How do you know that Joseph Smith is a prophet, and that the Book of Mormon comes from God?"

They said that they had prayed before reading the Book of Mormon and God confirmed the truth of the Book of Mormon by the burning in their hearts - comparing their experience with the two men on the Emmaus Road.

"It is dangerous to trust in your own hearts, for the Bible says, ‘The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked’ (Jeremiah 17:9). And while it is true that the two men’s hearts burned while they were on the road (Luke 24:32), Christ rebuked them saying, ‘O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken’ (Luke 24:25). They did not even recognize who the Lord was, even though they had a burning in their hearts!", I told them.

"Furthermore, the test of the prophet was never made by a burning in the heart; the test of a prophet was 100% accuracy in what he spoke. (See Deuteronomy 13:1-10, and 18:20-22) The question is not whether my heart burns when I hear Joseph Smith’s prophesies, but the accuracy of the Book of Mormon. I have a letter from the National Museum of Natural History which says, "Smithsonian archeologists see no direct connection between the archeology of the New World and the subject matter of the book."

" Would you like to see a copy of that letter?", I asked them.

They both replied, "No, we know this book is true, because of the burning in our hearts."

When I pressed them, both told me that they placed more weight on their feelings than any archeological evidence that would seem to contradict their beliefs."

The two elders came one last time, bringing a video entitled, How Rare a Possession. It told the story of how a pastor found a copy of the Book of Mormon and became convinced that it was the word of God. Much to the discomfort of Elders Fred and Art, I took notes while the video was being shown.

When the pastor was brought before a council, for teaching apostasy, he told this committee that he could not abandon the new doctrine he found in the book of Mormon.

After the video was over, I asked the two elders about the statement the former pastor made about ‘the new doctrine’. They denied that it had been made.

"I took notes. Let us watch the video once more, and see if that statement really was made." I was told that I could not see the video again.

I asked the elders if they could explain what Romans 2:16 meant: "In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel."

" Does this verse not mean that we all will be judged according to the gospel that is written by the apostle Paul? Does your church teach that same gospel?", I questioned.

They refused to answer my question, and Elder Fred told me, "It is fruitless for us to talk to you any more. You have a contentious spirit and are not interested in the truth!"

"If I appear to be contentious to you, it is only because I am obeying the commandments of the New Testament. For in the Book of Jude, it is written, ‘that ye should earnestly contend for the faith...’ "

"But we are preaching the same gospel as you are!" Elder Fred protested.

I said, "Let me finish the verse! That ye should earnestly content for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. (Jude 1:3). I am contending for the faith that was delivered once. Your faith was partially delivered in the New Testament, then Joseph Smith delivered another testament of Jesus Christ. You are contenting for the faith that was delivered twice. According to the Holy Scriptures who is obeying the command of God?

They stormed out, promising never to return to my home again.

 
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I think I saw things that weren't very nice at all..... They are there to gather the Elect of God, not to engage in wars of who is wrong or right or who knows MORE than the other, clearly they were ONLY let in to teach THEM how they are wrong.
There was no interest in the invitation for Humbly learning of the Faith, so they were let in by false pretences.

I would have left as well.... Nothing but a waste of time.

Their sincerity was taken advantage of.
 
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By the way.... Who takes "notes" during a Spiritually uplifting video?
Clearly, they aren't interested in feeling the Spirit of God which teaches and reveals ALL TRUTH....

Mathew 16:
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar•-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

It's the ONLY WAY to learn the truths of God in Spirit AND in Truth.
I saw only an attempt to judge "details" in the above story, nothing about the Spirit.
And a man without the Spirit of God but how leans upon his own intellect CANNOT righteously judge, nor come to HIS Truths, that man only comes to HIS OWN truths, instead of "the Truth".

John 16:
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

A born again christian who is independent of relgion, I tried to share the Gospel with once for he went to one session of General Conference.
He simply took notes the whole time, and simply didn't get a thing from it but a bunch of his own comments and looking up scripture, he missed the entire message.
Suffice it to say, he had NOT enough Faith and Humility to KEEP learning in meekness to understand if our message is the Truth, His Pride instead took over, and wished only to serve God how He "felt" like.

He did not follow through on John 7:17....

17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

No man can know if we are the Lords True Church without first faithfully "doing" it.... the doctrines that are taught, in order to know wether they are of God, or if they are of ourselves.
 
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you cant just go on feelings...they won't get you very far. they don't stand up to truth. I think he was trying to have a discussion with the elders, but they didn't seem interested. When I lived with a Mormon roommate she had two missionaries from her ward come to our room ..well stand at the door because they are not allowed to go in a female's room, which is good. anyway, they wanted to discuss their beliefs and I did not wish to discuss with them because I knew they'd get upset with me for disagreeing with your religion. I thought Christians weren't supposed to let false teachers into their homes if they are there to preach another gosple? Am I wrong?
 
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leeuniverse said:
By the way.... Who takes "notes" during a Spiritually uplifting video?
Clearly, they aren't interested in feeling the Spirit of God which teaches and reveals ALL TRUTH....

Mathew 16:
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar•-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Hi there!

:wave:

"Who takes "notes" during a Spiritually uplifting video?"

I do. That same gospel of Jesus Christ tells me to

1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.That same book of God tells me....

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.



leeuniverse said:
No man can know if we are the Lords True Church without first faithfully "doing" it.... the doctrines that are taught, in order to know wether they are of God, or if they are of ourselves.

God shows the "light" to each person in a different manner throught the Holy Spirit. Every one has the responsibility to insure that all of the Scriptures are sure, steadfast, and secure on Jesus Christ. If a person feels led to study and prove all things, rather than to rely on the emotional attachments, it isn't wrong according to Scriptures.

"doing it" most certainly can mean "to study" and "to prove".


As to the original posting, and what more could have been done....


:prayer: :pray:


~malaka~
 
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Hey, you come into my home with a phony gospel and I'm gonna teach you what the Word of God says, not what some kooky man in the 1800's supposedly "prophesied". I have debated with Mormon Elders before when they were doing community service at the library I worked at. They were nice guys but resorted to the 'ol "we know the truth, we will be with God...you can't say the same can you?" I smiled and said "well, I don't proclaim my beliefs to be asbolute truth. I do believe what the Bible says that I am saved through grace and not of myself, that it is the gift of God. I believe I will be with God in Heaven". They scoffed and told me I was wrong, that I would never see God in the eternal realms because I was not a chosen Mormon. They decided not to perform their community service tasks at the library anymore after that. I thought it was funny that I never came out and told them they belonged to a cult, that they were wrong, I simply showed Scriptures from the Bible to point out my beliefs and they would whip out the BOM to show me how "wrong" I was.
 
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Hey, you come into my home with a phony gospel and I'm gonna teach you what the Word of God says, not what some kooky man in the 1800's supposedly "prophesied". I have debated with Mormon Elders before when they were doing community service at the library I worked at. They were nice guys but resorted to the 'ol "we know the truth, we will be with God...you can't say the same can you?" I smiled and said "well, I don't proclaim my beliefs to be asbolute truth. I do believe what the Bible says that I am saved through grace and not of myself, that it is the gift of God. I believe I will be with God in Heaven". They scoffed and told me I was wrong, that I would never see God in the eternal realms because I was not a chosen Mormon. They decided not to perform their community service tasks at the library anymore after that. I thought it was funny that I never came out and told them they belonged to a cult, that they were wrong, I simply showed Scriptures from the Bible to point out my beliefs and they would whip out the BOM to show me how "wrong" I was.
Msjones21,



If you did not radically (twilight zone radically) misunderstand those missionaries, I wish to apologize for them and their conduct. I have never heard of missionaries saying such things. In fact the term “chosen Mormon” is actually contrary to LDS theology (we believe that all men will have a chance to hear and accept the gospel). Also, I have never heard Missionaries tell anyone they will not be with God in heaven. Again this would be improper conduct, and in my opinion also contrary to LDS theology. And, I hope they were merely done with their library service and didn’t choose to abandon a commitment made, regardless of how the interaction with you went. This would also be contrary to the proper way a missionary should carry themselves.

Anyway, I am sorry if they did not properly represent the CoJCoLDS.



Charity, TOm
 
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leeuniverse said:
A born again christian who is independent of relgion, I tried to share the Gospel with once for he went to one session of General Conference.
He simply took notes the whole time, and simply didn't get a thing from it but a bunch of his own comments and looking up scripture, he missed the entire message.


Good for him, he should be applauded for trying to match up what he was hearing with what the Bible tells him.

These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. - Acts 17:11
 
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I agree with little_tigress, if someone is going to come to my home and suggest another gospel, I'm not going to just stand back and say "oh ok you are right" when I really don't believe that. I am going to test what they say with scripture, the Holy Bible. That is what this man did. The Bible tells us (Christians) not to even let someone into our home if their purpose is to come and preach a different gospel (other than the one found within the Bible)...we are not to let them come into our homes and preach their false teachings. We can, however, witness to them and compare their scripture with the bible to see how it stands up. Truth is not about what you "feel". Just because something makes you "feel" good does not mean it is right.

"10: If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. "

2 John 1:10-11, KJV
 
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leeuniverse said:
By the way.... Who takes "notes" during a Spiritually uplifting video?
Clearly, they aren't interested in feeling the Spirit of God which teaches and reveals ALL TRUTH....
Do you find your truth in the word of God or by depending on feelings that you believe that the Spirit gives to you? What standard do you use for knowing if something is true? Do you compare it to the Bible to help you know if it is true?

Where is your plumb line?
 
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I hope you don't mind me answering these questions as well...

skylark1 said:
Do you find your truth in the word of God or by depending on feelings that you believe that the Spirit gives to you?

Yes!!! Either one by itself is not enough, though. All members are strongly encouraged to study out questions before seeking Spiritual confirmation. One of the most helpful scriptures to me regarding this is...

7 Behold, you have not understood; you have supposed that I would give it unto you, when you took no thought save it was to ask me.

8 But, behold, I say unto you, that you must study it out in your mind; then you must ask me if it be right, and if it is right I will cause that your bosom shall burn within you; therefore, you shall feel that it is right.

9 But if it be not right you shall have no such feelings, but you shall have a stupor of thought that shall cause you to forget the thing which is wrong; therefore, you cannot write that which is sacred save it be given you from me.

...part of a revelation given concerning Oliver Cowdery's desire to translate the BoM, found at http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/9



skylark1 said:
What standard do you use for knowing if something is true? Do you compare it to the Bible to help you know if it is true?

The standard I use is prayerfully studied scripture, which includes the Bible. I read other works, by ECF, Apocrapha, LDS authors, non-LDS authors, but I'm grounded in the scriptures.
Could you gaze into heaven five minutes, you would know more than you would by reading all that ever was written on the subject - Joseph Smith
Until I get that gaze, I'll keep reading.

Where is your plumb line?

Christ's words, His grace, His attributes. Where he calls, I will follow...
 
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Folks.... Please don't misunderstand. There is a "time" for study and "analysing" every little thing, and a time for Simply receiving the message and ALLOWING the Spirit of God to work in you.

For example, the fellow I spoke of, he had NEVER even been in an LDS related meeting at all.

Now, anyone that knows anything about "communication" and "comprehension" skills, knows that to trully get something from someone else you need to be ACTIVELY LISTENING and WATCHING what is being said and done.
That doesn't mean your thinking of last nights dinner, looking up scripture, scribbling, etc., otherwise your missing at LEAST half of what's being said, and there's another half your missing in the form of "comprehension" on your part.

There's a time and a place for writing and looking up scripture.
Many LDS do it all the time especially when listening to the Prophets.
HOWEVER, they have the necessary experience and awareness of what is being taught, and so they aren't missing anything when they do such, because they are already very familiar with it.

People who are WISE, listen, watch, and experience in order to absorb all the necessary information BEFORE they start turning it into a "school project", especially when they aren't familar with the subject matter, OR they want to make sure they GET IT ALL.

Believe me, ALL of anti-mormonism is based on "NOT getting it all", so they make FALSE judgements and conclusions from "incomplete" information.

It's just like the person who started this post, instead of TRULLY trying to understand the Church, they instead MUST get "their" opinion across, and understanding anothers opinion simply isn't important to them, because they are SO CONSUMBED with what "they" believe is truth and telling people about it, that they have no real interest in the discovery of the Ultimate Truths by sincerely exploring other beliefs.
 
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Tom, as to the missionary's from both peoples story's, I would take it with a grain of salt.
Many christians are so consumbed with passion in telling others what they believe, and how another beliefs are wrong, that they have no clue that they are being offensive, just like the majority of those here who have been vitriol in attacking the Church.

So when people are turned off by it, they think it's their faults like THEY have the problem instead of looking into their own characters and seeing that it is their OWN attitutes and behaviors which cause such negative responces by others.
 
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But isn't being consumed with a passion to tell others about Mormon beliefs and how others are incorrect also something Mormons seem to be doing quite a bit of? You are accusing Christians of doing the same thing members of your church, especially missionaries, do.

If you want to tell others how you enjoy being a Mormon and how that has helped you, fine. You have been given free will. However, in my home false teachings will not be preached, and no I don't believe that makes me close minded.

I have never "attacked" the Mormon church and I don't believe the guy in the scenario in the first post was doing so either. He was obviously happy with being a Christian and he believes Christianity is the truth. So since he was not interested in coversion to the slightest bit you don't want to talk to him? Isn't that kind of rude? Shouldn't the missionaries have at least also been "open minded" enough to sit and listen and let God work on THEIR hearts about what was being said? But they didn't do that. They were close minded.

What is it you believe one must do to "get it all"? Agree with your church? Become interested in conversion? It seems as though, since the man did not wish to convert and wanted to share what he believes with the Mormons visiting his home, they did not wish to speak with him any longer. If we are to be open to learning about your religion, shouldn't you be open to learning about what we believe and why we disagree? Don't you think we might have some legitimate reasons why we disagree? If a person is really a Christian they are not going to point out the differences in beliefs out of hatred, but rather out of love and concern for your eternal welfare, and even what your life is like here on earth!

As a Mormon, if someone comes at you with a hostile point of view or begins insulting your beliefs (as in saying "oh you are stupid to believe that"), or outright makes fun of you and your beliefs, then you should probably question whether or not they are really a Christian. If they are, they will not meet you with hostility but with care and concern and kindness. Wanting to share our beliefs as Christians with Mormons is not a form of hatred. Do I think you are hateful if you want me to be open to learning about your beliefs or open to conversion? No, I don't think you are being hateful, but if I don't wish to convert to your religion, you should not become upset with me. Even if you don't believe I know all about it, etc. Also, if I (or anyone) have a valid point about an inconsistency within the Mormon church or something I believe to be a false teaching, if you really want people to believe your church is "true" then you need to handle any challenges to your beliefs without getting offended or accusing.
 
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So since he was not interested in coversion to the slightest bit you don't want to talk to him? Isn't that kind of rude? Shouldn't the missionaries have at least also been "open minded" enough to sit and listen and let God work on THEIR hearts about what was being said? But they didn't do that. They were close minded.

What is it you believe one must do to "get it all"? Agree with your church? Become interested in conversion? It seems as though, since the man did not wish to convert and wanted to share what he believes with the Mormons visiting his home, they did not wish to speak with him any longer. If we are to be open to learning about your religion, shouldn't you be open to learning about what we believe and why we disagree? Don't you think we might have some legitimate reasons why we disagree?

Perhaps I can help with an explanation of my own missionary experience. As missionaries, we were asked to find those who were ready to hear the gospel and embrace it. We belive there is urgency in that work, and that people have been prepared to hear our message. The job of a missionary is to teach. Oftentimes listening is one of the most important parts of teaching. Sure they do lots of other things while they're missionaries, but teaching is what they are called to do.

While a missionary, I spoke with many people who didn't want to hear our message. Some wanted to argue, some talk, some debate, some just wanted to be our friends. And while I spent time doing all of those things (definitely didn't want to argue, but I was immature sometimes), I moved on to find those who were prepared. I could have, if I wanted to, spent two years debating people who were just as convinced of the truth as I was, but that wasn't my job.

Now that I'm home, I'm more that willing to entertain discussions like these we have in the CF. I don't appreciate mockery of things (not an accusation, just a statement) which I hold to be sacred, and I will afford the same consideration to others.

I agree that there are legitimate reasons why we disagree, and that they can be discussed in the right place/time/spirit. It's for this reason, and to learn about my own and other religions, that I joined CF. Most people, of whatever faith, can discern if they should teach, listen, or get out of Dodge. Whatever the reasons or motivations of the original poster or the missionaries were, I'll leave it up to them to decide.

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leeuniverse said:
I think I saw things that weren't very nice at all..... They are there to gather the Elect of God, not to engage in wars of who is wrong or right or who knows MORE than the other, clearly they were ONLY let in to teach THEM how they are wrong.
There was no interest in the invitation for Humbly learning of the Faith, so they were let in by false pretences.

I would have left as well.... Nothing but a waste of time.

Their sincerity was taken advantage of.
Oh, my my my. They were there to gather the elect of God? Man, that is hilarious. You need to read the Bible. Jesus will gather His elect. Not some mormon missionaries. I personally invite them in any time I get the chance so I can point out the flaws in your church. Planting seeds.
 
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Some have been espousing asking God for a "feeling" if it is true or not.

Here is a part of your faith.

In the temple ceremony, adam, after being expelled from the garden, builds an alter and prays to God by saying "Oh God, hear the words of my mouth", three times (changed from Pay Lay ALe)

Do any of you think this was a SINCERE prayer from his heart? Yes, I think it is at least according to the way it is shown in the film.

Who answered that prayer? answer: Satan

So, if someone who has seen God can utter a sincere prayer and not know who will be answering their prayer, how do you know yours was answered by God? If satan can masquerade as an angel of light, can he not also give a simple "feeling?"
 
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Some have been espousing asking God for a "feeling" if it is true or not.

Here is a part of your faith.

In the temple ceremony,

Speaking for myself, I think you've gone into things that LDS posters in these forums will not discuss. I will not, because the teachings of the temple are sacred to me. However, I will answer to say that the Holy Spirit cannot be counterfeited by Satan. Christ sent the Comforter for this very purpose...

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bruiser said:
Speaking for myself, I think you've gone into things that LDS posters in these forums will not discuss. I will not, because the teachings of the temple are sacred to me. However, I will answer to say that the Holy Spirit cannot be counterfeited by Satan. Christ sent the Comforter for this very purpose...

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Yeah, thats right. The old secret rituals thing. Seems I remember somewher in the the book of mormon saying to have secret rituals is a sin. But then again, your church really has never followed the rules set forth in there.This is just a nice way of being able to pass over the topic because it presents a real problem. Tell me, did you go through the temple before 1990 when it was drastically changed to be more P.C.?
 
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