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Employers Are About to Take Back Control

Nithavela

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Let's all get to work and do our best and treat each other as well as we can. Don't screw anyone over, and be understanding.
I'm sure those words are a balm on the ears of US americans working three jobs without being able to make ends meet.

Think tanks and financial experts in their opinion pieces can shuffle numbers around until it looks like the greedy workers are to blame for the inflation. The main argument seems to be "well, corporations were always greedy, so why would their greed be to blame now". Meanwhile corporations are raking in record profits hand over fist, with energy providers leading the charge.
 
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I have to say you are terrible at mind reading.
You know who came up with quiet quitting? It wasn't employers.

It seems to be a linked "influncer" who came up with the term.
But given the excuses below for not even giving cost of living raises, one can see why employees might feel less than motivated to put in extra effort above and beyond their conditions of employment.
I also can't help but notice how these unwritten conditions are fine when it means employees putting in extra work, but when it comes to them simply doing their job to their understanding of these unwritten expectations that it suddenly warrants a catch-phrase. Seems like a bit of marketing at work.

Are you aware at all on how hard it is to find enough people? I'm sure companies would love to have more people. Have you even been on the help wanted stuff? Where I work we are constantly hiring. We haven't been full up for years now.

Perhaps it has to do with the expectations that people work longer than 40 hour weeks?

But there is some serious naivety in thinking we can or should just give everyone a pay bump equal to inflation all the time.
This might also be part of the reason it's been so hard to get to full staffing.
I mean, sure, come up with all the excuses why it can't be done, but don't ignore the results of putting those excuses into practice.
 
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No it's not. There are more jobs than people available to fill them.

Your company doesn't have to fill all the jobs, just their company's. In capitalism, when resources are scarce, one does that by offering a premium for them.

All problems are not solved just by throwing money at it. If you offered medical analysts 100,000 per year, how much are your medical expenses going to go up? Not to mention all the nurses who now want a 100,000 raise to keep up. Suddenly your visit to the doctor is going to cost you 1000 just for an office visit.
Lots of excuses for not spending the money needed to run a company. Combined with complaints that it is so hard to hire good people. And blaming employees for looking out for their best interests.
Starting to feel like a "we've tried nothing and are all out of ideas" kinda situation.
Or just excuses for not being willing to spend the money it takes to compete in a given field.
 
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The current inflation is not driven by salaries or shortages, but by corporations price gouging and cashing in profits at a record rate.

No way, it is obviously about employees being selfish and greedy by only doing their job rather than their job plus someone else's.
 
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It seems to be a linked "influncer" who came up with the term.
But given the excuses below for not even giving cost of living raises, one can see why employees might feel less than motivated to put in extra effort above and beyond their conditions of employment.
I also can't help but notice how these unwritten conditions are fine when it means employees putting in extra work, but when it comes to them simply doing their job to their understanding of these unwritten expectations that it suddenly warrants a catch-phrase. Seems like a bit of marketing at work.



Perhaps it has to do with the expectations that people work longer than 40 hour weeks?


This might also be part of the reason it's been so hard to get to full staffing.
I mean, sure, come up with all the excuses why it can't be done, but don't ignore the results.
Although, one company I worked for, management was given bonuses for keeping headcount low. They didnt care if you worked overtime, because they did not want to hire additional people if they could avoid it.
 
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It sounds like you bought the leftist thought processes that everything is owed to you
Does that include the expectation that one gets scarce employee skills and extra work from them without offering up a premium for that benefit?
 
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As we move forward our economy is going to slow. Recession is on the horizon while some say it is here already in it's beginning stages. As this happens the decade of employee control will come to an end. We have gone through the time when employers desperate to obtain and keep employees had high wages, very flexible work hours, generous allowances specialized benefits etc. Employees mad demands otherwise they would just go somewhere else. As employers seek to bring people back to the office, employees complain. Specialized benefits and allowances are going away. Employers are entering a time when they realize they don't need all those people.
The days of quiet quitting are soon going to end as thy quiet quitters, the lazy employees find themselves out if a job. The entitlement at work employee philosophy is going to come to a close and competition for jobs is going to be more prevelent.

I’ve never seen the power of employees overpowering the employers. What I’ve always witnessed is the exact opposite.
 
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I’ve never seen the power of employees overpowering the employers. What I’ve always witnessed is the exact opposite.
You need unions for that to work.
 
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It really takes some brazenness to take a parable about gods generosity and turn it around to use it as an excuse for corporate greed.

Wow the point of it all went right over your head didn't it. Anyway it wasn't to you. I was responding to another poster who brought God into the conversation saying God wouldn't support salaried people. I showed that God's principle is about the agreement you have made. He's the boss in the scenario and if you agreed to a certain wage then it's not unjust for the boss to give you that wage even if other people work less hours than you.

You agreed to it. Salaried people agreed to their salary when they took the job. The boss isn't being greedy when they ask you to work more hours. You agreed to do that when you took the position.
 
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Wow the point of it all went right over your head didn't it.
I think that the point of the parabel went right over your head. It's about being generous and gracious, not trying to squeeze out all the value you can get. And it's about envy of those who have towards those who have the same for a perceived lesser effort. It's, in essence, about god bestowing the same rewards in heaven to all his followers, no matter if they are born into the religion or join into it later in life (which is a sensible policy if you want to obtain converts).

Anyway, I agree with you with one thing. People who are unhappy with their job should try to remedy that situation, either by getting a better contract with their current employer or, if that can't be reached, by switching job positions. This isn't any kind of moral failing, though. It's good business practice on the part of the employees to get the maximum remuneration for their market value.
 
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You agreed to it. Salaried people agreed to their salary when they took the job. The boss isn't being greedy when they ask you to work more hours. You agreed to do that when you took the position.
Who exactly agreed to this? How was it communicated during the interview and hiring process? How is it being tracked?

And most importantly, is it actually a thing, or just something management consultants are trying to sell in response to employees pushing back on requests to do extra work for no extra compensation?
 
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You agreed to it. Salaried people agreed to their salary when they took the job. The boss isn't being greedy when they ask you to work more hours. You agreed to do that when you took the position.
Accepting a salaried position does not make you a slave - you're not surrendering all 24 hours of every day to the company. The default expectation is a 40-hour work week. If that's not what the position entails, it should be clearly communicated. There is an understanding, as a salaried employee, that occasionally more than 40 hours may be required without additional compensation, but that's generally offset by other weeks where there's less than 40 hours of work to do. If the job consistently requires 50 or 60 hour weeks, then the company does not have enough employees. Saying, "Well, you're on salary, so you should suck it up and deal with it" is not an appropriate response.
 
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RJS, we're not talking about front-line managers but rather the senior and C-level officers that jump at the latest management trends and then complain that people don't want to work. Take Bernie Marcus, founder of Home Depot. He's a billionaire and complained that people don't want to work. The history of Jack Welch's GE empire is documented in Power Failure: The Rise and Fall of General Electric
(well over 800 pages, and I only got through about 200). Welch always claimed success and blamed others for failure, even when he was the head of GE Plastics. Welch blamed Immelt for the collapse even when Welch was responsible for M&As that made no sense.
 
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Unless you can employ kids the way Republicans are desperately hoping.
Citation requested.

Most preferably from a Republican platform and not a left leaning media organization.
 
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Citation requested.

Most preferably from a Republican platform and not a left leaning media organization.
Really? Have you not noticed the stories in the news? They have passed legislation on this. It doesn't matter even really which source it comes from. The legislation has passed or is tabled.
 
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This article is rather well-sourced, including links to legislation and local reporting:
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I will not accept opinions from sources left of center anymore than you would accept ones right.

If you are going to bring up illegal alien minors being used for labor - that lies with the current Administration that reversed more than 89 policies and open the door for hundreds of thousands of unaccompanied minor into the US.
 
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