Employers Are About to Take Back Control

[rjs330]

As we move forward our economy is going to slow. Recession is on the horizon while some say it is here already in it's beginning stages. As this happens the decade of employee control will come to an end. We have gone through the time when employers desperate to obtain and keep employees had high wages, very flexible work hours, generous allowances specialized benefits etc. Employees mad demands otherwise they would just go somewhere else. As employers seek to bring people back to the office, employees complain. Specialized benefits and allowances are going away. Employers are entering a time when they realize they don't need all those people.
The days of quiet quitting are soon going to end as thy quiet quitters, the lazy employees find themselves out if a job. The entitlement at work employee philosophy is going to come to a close and competition for jobs is going to be more prevelent.

The End of an Era: Employers Retake Control

Power dynamics are pivoting from the employee to the employer, and it is going to be a tectonic reset for many employees who only know the employee-power version of the world.

www.forbes.com

 

[rjs330]

While I support getting rid of the "I'm entitled and you have to make me happy" philosophy I also think real leadership among employers and managers has increased. Good leadership IS about helping others as well as setting expectations. My way it the highway was never a good strategy and top leadership trainers and companies do not perform that way nor train managers to behave that way. Strong management means setting expectations and holding employees accountable for results. It also means fostering an environment of "how can I help, what can I do and how can I make this easier for you to accomplish." It's about positive teamwork and positive leadership. It's about leaders showing the way, inspiring, and setting the vision. It's about how we all work together and work hard to help the company be successful and making you successful.

Leaner times are ahead and employees are going to have to buckle down and join the team and produce results. But I also think that the era of hammer fisted leadership is over as well. Not ended but leaders are learning to move away from that philosophy as it's been shown to less effective than the positive leadership philosophy.

 

[rambot]

Finally. The employers are wresting control back from the workers. For too long bosses and owners have suffered because of demands from workers like a living wage, a strong health care plan, maternity leave, safe working conditions and other such socialist talk. But now?


You don’t have to worry about the tyranny of paid vacation again, workers! Owners are taking it back!

Ha! Suck it, 75% of Americans!

 

[iluvatar5150]

We have gone through the time when employers desperate to obtain and keep employees had high wages, very flexible work hours, generous allowances specialized benefits etc. Employees mad demands otherwise they would just go somewhere else. As employers seek to bring people back to the office, employees complain. Specialized benefits and allowances are going away. Employers are entering a time when they realize they don't need all those people.

No, some very large tech companies who overhired a few years ago realized they didn’t need all those people. Plenty of other places are still hiring, including within those same industries.

As of 2020, the Boomers were the second largest living generation in the US, just behind Millennials, the bulk of whom are already working. They’ve already started retiring and within a few years, the youngest of them will turn 65. That’s upwards of 70 million people leaving the workforce to be replaced by… whom?

The days of quiet quitting are soon going to end as thy quiet quitters, the lazy employees find themselves out if a job.

“Quiet quitting” isn’t laziness. It’s doing your job, without giving away extra labor for free. In any other context, we’d describe that as abiding by the terms of the agreement.

The entitlement at work employee philosophy is going to come to a close and competition for jobs is going to be more prevelent.

So we’re back to only employers being allowed to feel entitled?

The End of an Era: Employers Retake Control

Power dynamics are pivoting from the employee to the employer, and it is going to be a tectonic reset for many employees who only know the employee-power version of the world.

www.forbes.com

lol… A guy who gets paid to tell executives what they want to hear writes a clickbaity article in a magazine targeted at executives.

While I support getting rid of the "I'm entitled and you have to make me happy" philosophy I also think real leadership among employers and managers has increased.

You do? Why?

Good leadership IS about helping others as well as setting expectations. My way it the highway was never a good strategy and top leadership trainers and companies do not perform that way nor train managers to behave that way. Strong management means setting expectations and holding employees accountable for results. It also means fostering an environment of "how can I help, what can I do and how can I make this easier for you to accomplish." It's about positive teamwork and positive leadership. It's about leaders showing the way, inspiring, and setting the vision. It's about how we all work together and work hard to help the company be successful and making you successful.

Some companies act this way, but many don’t. There’s plenty of money to be made not being a “top” leadership trainer or company. Most businesses get by on mediocrity.

Leaner times are ahead and employees are going to have to buckle down and join the team and produce results. But I also think that the era of hammer fisted leadership is over as well. Not ended but leaders are learning to move away from that philosophy as it's been shown to less effective than the positive leadership philosophy.

And yet, loads of firms seem to be unilaterally revoking wfh policies despite employee preferences and productivity gains.

 

[Mayzoo]

Finally. The employers are wresting control back from the workers. For too long bosses and owners have suffered because of demands from workers like a living wage, a strong health care plan, maternity leave, safe working conditions and other such socialist talk. But now?


You don’t have to worry about the tyranny of paid vacation again, workers! Owners are taking it back!

Ha! Suck it, 75% of Americans!

Many employers took back vacation quite a while ago. Mine did recently. Now everything is PTO. EArned vacation they pay you for upon separation for any reason. Earned PTO they pay you nothing upon separation for any reason. Vacation carryover was 160 hours. PTO carryover is 40 hours. What you do not use, you lose--without pay.

 

[rjs330]

Quiet quitting” isn’t laziness. It’s doing your job, without giving away extra labor for free. In any other context, we’d describe that as abiding by the terms of the agreement

I beg to differ. Quiet quitting is most often laziness. Doing the bare minimum to get by. If it's not completely laziness it definitely fosters it. It doesn't help you succeed or increase your success. You may go your bosses for a while but they will figure it out. It's negativity, it does not foster team work and it does not make you, your team or your company better. Quiet quitting is at best average work and at worst poor work.

Yes when I go to a restaurant I want average or less than average service, with average or less than average meal. When I hire a plumber in want them to only provide me with average service and do an average job. When I hire a company to provide me a product I want an average job done. I want my kids to be taught by average or less than average teachers who only have an average care about my kids. I want my doctor to be an average doctor and when I need surgery I want an average or less than average surgeon who went to an average school and got average grades.

Are you an average teacher who only care an average amount for the kids? Do you only give an average effort in teaching the kids?

It's not about giving away work hours. Employers shouldn't expect or demand that their employees give away all thier free time or work 50 hours a week and only be paid for 40 every week. That's not right either.

Quiet Quitting: Working Smart Or Plain Lazy?


Employers should set clear expectations. But not demand a "hustle culture". There is no problem with flexible work schedules if they can be managed. Some jobs that's easier said than done. While at work employees should do more than "just get by" work. Some businesses are open 9-5 (or whatever time) because that's when their customers are out and that's when they need their employees. When able then fine have flexible schedules. But construction work really can't for example.

 

[rjs330]

You do? Why?

Because I'm involved in leadership. I have attended many many leadership seminars, read many leadership books. Been involved in leadership programs. It's come a long ways from where it used to be.

All the modern leadership programs are quite very strong on leadership.not management.

Not all businesses nor all bosses are there yet. But it's a far cry from where it used to be. People like John Gordon, John Maxwell, Simon Sinnek, Patrick Lencioni and others are really good on this and actually have been involved in training many companies leaders.

 

[KCfromNC]

If it's not completely laziness it definitely fosters it. It doesn't help you succeed or increase your success.

Of course not. What helps increase success is jumping employers every few years to get larger raises.

If employers didn't want this to be the case, they shouldn't have created the situation in the first place by giving out substandard raises to existing employees.

 

[rambot]

I beg to differ. Quiet quitting is most often laziness. Doing the bare minimum to get by. If it's not completely laziness it definitely fosters it. It doesn't help you succeed or increase your success. You may go your bosses for a while but they will figure it out. It's negativity, it does not foster team work and it does not make you, your team or your company better. Quiet quitting is at best average work and at worst poor work.

Yes when I go to a restaurant I want average or less than average service, with average or less than average meal. When I hire a plumber in want them to only provide me with average service and do an average job. When I hire a company to provide me a product I want an average job done. I want my kids to be taught by average or less than average teachers who only have an average care about my kids. I want my doctor to be an average doctor and when I need surgery I want an average or less than average surgeon who went to an average school and got average grades.

Are you an average teacher who only care an average amount for the kids? Do you only give an average effort in teaching the kids?

It's not about giving away work hours. Employers shouldn't expect or demand that their employees give away all thier free time or work 50 hours a week and only be paid for 40 every week. That's not right either.

Quiet Quitting: Working Smart Or Plain Lazy?


Employers should set clear expectations. But not demand a "hustle culture". There is no problem with flexible work schedules if they can be managed. Some jobs that's easier said than done. While at work employees should do more than "just get by" work. Some businesses are open 9-5 (or whatever time) because that's when their customers are out and that's when they need their employees. When able then fine have flexible schedules. But construction work really can't for example.

The fundamental question is:

Why should someone do work they are nor getting compensation for?

When I hire my plumber I want my plumber to do the job as expected. I don't also ask him to do things that are outside his job description or purview. I don't want my plumber to take time away from his family unless I am paying/he is receiving on call benefit.


The reason why quiet quitting got so popular is several fold;
1. What the reward for working hard and doing your job well? More work. Not....more pay. It's more work. You do your coworkers work as they fall behind.
I had a job I always got the top rating but looking back I did other people work a lot and I got nothing for it.
If bosses were quicker to reward good performance MEANINGFULLY you'd see better stuff.

2. Right now 10% of americans are working multiple jobs and simply cannot manage to go above and beyond at two jobs.

3. Given how little purchasing power they are getting why should they work harder.

Greedflation is killing young peoples motivation to work.


You want the to work?? Give them hope b3cause they have very very little

 

[iluvatar5150]

Because I'm involved in leadership.

In what capacity?

 

[comana]

Of course not. What helps increase success is jumping employers every few years to get larger raises.

If employers didn't want this to be the case, they shouldn't have created the situation in the first place by giving out substandard raises to existing employees.

It no longer pays to be loyal. I have been at my job for far to long, only one raise. I have my reasons not to leave yet but in about a year from now l will definitely be looking again. I am aware that I am losing out financially in the mean time.

 

[rjs330]

In what capacity?

I'm a mid level supervisor. I also ran a business with full time and part time employees.

 

[rjs330]

Of course not. What helps increase success is jumping employers every few years to get larger raises.

If employers didn't want this to be the case, they shouldn't have created the situation in the first place by giving out substandard raises to existing employees.

No that doesn't create success. You should read the book, how successful people think.

Take a hard look at the writers and instructors in mentioned. Read some of their stuff. It will give you excellent insight as to what leaders are being taught these days. Maxwells leadership podcast is another excellent resource.

No not everyone it every business or every leader does these things. But it's definitely improving. I've seen it first hand. If I was a head if a company I would require all my managers and leaders to read and listen to these people.

Requiring people to work extra hours without pay is not the way to go. However good employees will put in their best efforts on a daily basis and sometimes go above and beyond. People won't do that for crappy leaders. But for good ones they will.

Times are changing in leadership. Tea are changing in the work force. And my hope is that employees and employers will work together with employees stepping up and doing more than the bare minimum and leaders are stepping up and not demanding that workers put in a bunch of work and not be paid for any of it.

Both need to be better.

 

[All Englands Skies]

Finally. The employers are wresting control back from the workers. For too long bosses and owners have suffered because of demands from workers like a living wage, a strong health care plan, maternity leave, safe working conditions and other such socialist talk. But now?


You don’t have to worry about the tyranny of paid vacation again, workers! Owners are taking it back!

Ha! Suck it, 75% of Americans!

Workers, if you are unhappy with working 12-hour shifts everyday and still cannot afford basic rent and bills, you are simply lazy.

 

[FenderTL5]

Workers, if you are unhappy with working 12-hour shifts everyday and still cannot afford basic rent and bills, you are simply lazy.

Not to worry. GOP Governors have, or are in the process of, bringing back child labor so mom and dad can get some relief.

 

[KCfromNC]

No that doesn't create success.

Yes it does, in the sense that it leads to larger raises than staying at a single company long term. If I'm getting paid to give my time to someone, seems like that's as a good measurement as any.

You should read the book, how successful people think.

Which pages talk about how successful employees think about employers giving larger salary bumps to employees who change jobs than those who stick around long term?

 

[rambot]

Listening to managers tell me what makes a successful person doesn't really cut it to me. That's just a manager wanting to get more work out of me without necessarily any benefit to ME as a person.

Managers, if you want your workers to stick around and perform better, it's WAY easier than you think: Pay well and give good benefits. People will work at place where they know they are valued. And if their pay does not indicate that they are valued (because they can't afford housing or basic necessities even though they are working 40hrs a week) why should they work hard?

Why should they work hard to not get enough?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I beg to differ. Quiet quitting is most often laziness. Doing the bare minimum to get by. If it's not completely laziness it definitely fosters it. It doesn't help you succeed or increase your success. You may go your bosses for a while but they will figure it out. It's negativity, it does not foster team work and it does not make you, your team or your company better. Quiet quitting is at best average work and at worst poor work.

I would argue that the opposite is also true.

If someone (who was hired to work a 40 hour week) is getting 50-60 hours piled on them, and are being asked to work when they're off the clock, and not being offered anything in terms of a monetary increase, the stance of "From now on, I'm just going to do what's in my job description, and not a smidgen more" is quite understandable.


...and with regards to WFH policies, for a lot of employers, it would be wrong for them to take that back away after using it for a justification for not giving raises.

For instance, if I told my employees "money's tight at the company, so we can't do much in terms of salary, but we're going to allow you to work from home will save you gas money, remove the need for expensive child care, and eliminate that nasty morning commute", and then a year later said "Welp, I changed my mind, it's time to come back to the office at the exact same salary" (after everyone's already getting beat up by inflation on top of everything else), that's basically just asking for people to quit.


Now, there is a balance to be struck here, I also don't agree with the notion that a job that a 16 year old can do warrants a $40k/year salary...as that has ripple effects that drive up prices thus making the people already making 40-50k have less buying power than they did before.

But the notion that "the employer should have massively outsized control in the power dynamic" isn't a great model. (neither is a massively collectivist model where all the employees can band together and boss the owner around). There needs to be a balance there.

 

[durangodawood]

Without a lot of immigration, demographics indicate a long period of labor shortage ahead in the USA.

 

[rambot]

Without a lot of immigration, demographics indicate a long period of labor shortage ahead in the USA.

Which SHOULD drive up wages.

Unless you can employ kids the way Republicans are desperately hoping.