"Embedded Age" Requires Fake Fossils

[Jan Volkes]

The present is observed, the future and past are not.

If we dig up a human skeleton can we observe that it was used by someone in the past?

 

[RickG]

That seems to assume that the rays that contain the info, and, of course, unfold in time here represent the time at source. Remember we see the light, in this case, the rays...here!

Really? How do you think gamma-ray spectroscopy works? Never mind, I know you don't have a clue.

 

[RickG]

We do not observe the man now, or see Him make that wine..etc. in no sick way can that be taken to mean that He did not live. That is debating???

Yeah, keep making it up as you go along.

What you are essentially saying is that we can't identify artifacts of Jesus' time because they are actual physical objects, while we can say Jesus was a real person because the only thing we know about him was written more than a generation after his death by people who were not even alive during Jesus' time, much less knew him.

 

[RickG]

Unless time existed at the star (?) then it was not 169,000 years ago at all.The way you get that distance is by including time and distance in a parallax measure! So what we have is a star of unknown distance and unknown size. Some of the materials in that 'star' exploded and produced some stuff. How exactly that actually happened is theory. For example they talk of the r process.

You are ignoring that the 169,000 light year figure is a distance with respect to the amount of time it takes light to travel that far. Time is a calculation, not a figment of your imagination when you want it to be there or when you don't want it to be there.

"The r-process is a nucleosynthesis process that occurs in core-collapse supernovae (see alsosupernova nucleosynthesis) and is responsible for the creation of approximately half of the neutron-rich atomic nuclei heavier than iron. The process entails a succession of rapid neutron captures (hence the name r-process) by heavy seed nuclei, typically56Fe or other more neutron-rich heavy isotopes."

Interestingly we see this same link--

"The r-process described by the B2FH paper was first computed time-dependently at Caltech by Phillip Seeger,William A. Fowler and Donald D. Clayton,[2] who achieved the first successful caricature of the r-process abundances and showed its evolution in time."

"Today, the r-process abundances are determined using their technique of subtracting the more reliable s-process isotopic abundances from the total isotopic abundances and attributing the remainder to the r-process nucleosynthesis."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-process

So, that s process, then, is basically this..

"The s-process or slow-neutron -capture-process is a nucleosynthesis process that occurs at relatively low neutron density and intermediate temperature conditions in stars. Under these conditions heavier nuclei are created by neutron capture, increasing the atomic weight of the nucleus by one. A neutron in the new nucleus decays by beta-minus decay to a proton, creating a nucleus of higher atomic number. The rate of neutron capture by atomic nuclei is slow relative to the rate of radioactive beta-minus decay, hence the name. Although considerable variability exists, one gets the right idea to think that the time between successive neutron captures is about 100 years, whereas the time for beta decay is about one minute."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-process

The question arises whether changes we see in atoms far away have to be caused by our laws!? Simply because under our physics, we need to have things change one atomic number or etc...a certain way doesn't mean that is how it is. That just means that we used our laws to come up with the explanation. The whole idea of nuclearsynthesis --which your article relies on by the way---should be looked at again, without your assumptions.

Anyhow once we have the nickel, however it really got there, or cobalt, or etc, that is what we see in the gamma lines.

That doesn't mean time exists at the star that I can yet see. It seems to mean that the stuff produced (presumably God ordained to be seen as a sign on earth) would then exist in time! We measure the flash of the explosion in time here. But one could imagine that that flash could be more of a flashing into time.

I also notice this in your link
"
Surprisingly, the 56 Co lines were detected already 6 months after explosion, at
an epoch where standard onion-shell supernova expansion models still pre-
dicted a substantial gamma-ray opacity for the envelope. The gamma-ray
line lightcurves presented clear evidence that 56 Co was found over a large
range of optical depths, with a small fraction at very low depth [20]. Probably
some fragmentation of the ejecta and acceleration of the emitting radioactivity
within are required to explain the observations."

So there are other ways to look at things and explain thing than your belief system.

So you don't understand nuclearsynthesis. What you described supports my position, not yours. You are showing a time frame being described which you say doesn't exist. Wow! Therefore, it exists when you want too and does not exist when you don't want it to.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Actually, noting that we now don't see the folks in Jesus day still is simple sanity.

Including Jesus? You said it, not me.

 

[Split Rock]

God is concerned with everything that happens in his universe, but he does have some priorities. Said priorities may not coincide with our human preferences.

God was extremely concerned about the terribly unjust suffering of his own Son, but did allow for it to take place in order that the love of God would be contrasted with the murderous character of his arch enemy: the Devil.

This action of his eventually nailed the coffin of the cruel Roman Empire. Millions have chosen to side with God instead of the Devil.

So then, God's priority places your Oldsmobile ahead of children suffering and starving? Is this the god you worship?

 

[Split Rock]

How about the ones that die before they're born?

Should He start there?

Maybe... but should he instead start with an Oldsmobile that won't turn over?

 

[Loudmouth]

You keep repeating yourself unnecessarily.
I never said they were the same. Doppler redshift is the result of objects moving through space. Plasma redshift is the result of inelastic scattering. Plasma redshift explains the apparent anomalous redshift without the need for empty space-expansion or dark-energy assumptions.

No, it doesn't. Plasma redshift and all inelastic scattering produces a different amount of redshift at different wavelengths. That is not what is seen with cosmological redshift where light is redshifted the same at all wavelengths.

Also, plasma redshift would produce an opaque universe which we don't have.

 

[Loudmouth]

Unless time existed at the star (?) then it was not 169,000 years ago at all.The way you get that distance is by including time and distance in a parallax measure!

The way we get the measurement is the change in the supernova over time. In order for that to occur, time has to be moving at the supernova. If there were no time then photons could not have moved outwards and lit the rings around the supernova.

 

[Doveaman]

By demonstrating homosexuality is genetic and not a choice. Makes is harder to get away with bigotry.

Lifestyle choices can influence genetic expression.

 

[Doveaman]

I count the discovery of penicillin and its production and availability as fighting evil. Therefore, you are wrong here.

I count the discovery of penicillin and its production and availability as fighting bacteria. Therefore, you are wrong here.

 

[Doveaman]

No, it doesn't. Plasma redshift and all inelastic scattering produces a different amount of redshift at different wavelengths. That is not what is seen with cosmological redshift where light is redshifted the same at all wavelengths.

Also, plasma redshift would produce an opaque universe which we don't have.

I'll take the words of plasma physicists who actually did the experiments over a guy on the internet who only has a loudmouth.

"Plasma redshift explains the solar redshifts, the redshifts of the galactic corona, the cosmological redshifts, the cosmic microwave background, and the X-ray background. The plasma redshift explains the observed magnitude-redshift relation for supernovae SNe Ia without the big bang, dark matter, or dark energy. There is no cosmic time dilation. The universe is not expanding...This means that there is no need for Einstein's Lambda term. The universe is quasi-static, infinite, and everlasting."

"The plasma redshift, which follows from exact evaluation of photons interaction with hot sparse electron plasma, leads to a quasi-static, infinite, and ever lasting universe. It does not need big bang, dark energy, or dark matter for describing the observations. It predicts intrinsic redshifts of galaxies consistent with what is observed."

arXiv:astro-ph/0401420
arXiv:astro-ph/0602500v1

 

[Nic Samojluk]

So then, God's priority places your Oldsmobile ahead of children suffering and starving? Is this the god you worship?

Are you forgetting that inside that car was a sick woman and a man the Lord was planning to use on behalf of hundreds of unborn children destined to perish inside abortion clinics? God is a little bit wiser than you or me and a little bit older than even Methuselah.

 

[crjmurray]

Are you forgetting that inside that car was a sick woman and a man the Lord was planning to use on behalf of hundreds of unborn children destined to perish inside abortion clinics? God is a little bit wiser than you or me and a little bit older than even Methuselah.

Well you certainly think highly of yourself.

 

[bhsmte]

Well you certainly think highly of yourself.

My thoughts exactly.

9 million children die each year before the age of five and he gets taken care of, because God wants to.

 

[Split Rock]

Well you certainly think highly of yourself.

And the Oldsmobile. LOL

 

[Split Rock]

Are you forgetting that inside that car was a sick woman and a man the Lord was planning to use on behalf of hundreds of unborn children destined to perish inside abortion clinics? God is a little bit wiser than you or me and a little bit older than even Methuselah.

Yes, I must have "forgot" that. Does he also help baseball teams win games?

 

[Nic Samojluk]

Well you certainly think highly of yourself.

When I ventured into this Christian Forum, I did not expect to find myself in a hostile environment.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

Maybe... but should he instead start with an Oldsmobile that won't turn over?

I always imagined that Deists were kind people!

 

[Nic Samojluk]

My thoughts exactly.

I am glad the universe is not in charge of atheists!