"Embedded Age" Requires Fake Fossils

[Nic Samojluk]

It makes little sense for God to be more concerned about a car that won't run, than the millions of much more needy of his people on this planet that could better use his help.

I have concluded that your alleged concern for the children and the unborn is merely a sham. If you were truly interested in them, you would not criticize a man who has devoted a couple of decades on behalf of the pro-life ad honorem—without any compensation.

 

[RickG]

The universe is in charge of someone older than the universe. And BTW, the universe is older than the date of the Big Bang. The evidence is in!

Ref.: https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/science/hd140283.html

“Previous research had estimated that the Milky Way galaxy's so-called "Methuselah star" is up to 16 billion years old. That's a problem, since most researchers agree that the Big Bang that created the universe occurred about 13.8 billion years ago. …”

Ref. http://www.space.com/20112-oldest-known-star-universe.html

You might want to actually read your NASA link in its entirety. Revised estimates put it back in the range of the universe.

 

[bhsmte]

From soup to cells — the origin of life

“Evolution encompasses a wide range of phenomena: from the emergence of major lineages, to mass extinctions, to the evolution of antibiotic resistant bacteria in hospitals today. However, within the field of evolutionary biology, the origin of life is of special interest because it addresses the fundamental question of where we (and all living things) came from. …”

Ref.: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/side_0_0/origsoflife_01

If tomorrow experts were to succeed in creating life from non-living matter, would you still argue that the origin of life is not an integral part of the theory of evolution?

Evolution has nothing to do with how life originated. Notice, they said "the field of evolutionary biology", not the theory of evolution.

 

[bhsmte]

Miller/Urey Experiment

“By the 1950s, scientists were in hot pursuit of the origin of life. Around the world, the scientific community was examining what kind of environment would be needed to allow life to begin. In 1953, Stanley L. Miller and Harold C. Urey, working at the University of Chicago, conducted an experiment which would change the approach of scientific investigation into the origin of life. …”

Ref.: http://people.chem.duke.edu/~jds/cruise_chem/Exobiology/miller.html

What does experiments in regards to abiogenesis, have to do with the theory of evolution?

Please examine the theory itself and point out where it makes claims about the origin of life.

 

[bhsmte]

The universe is in charge of someone older than the universe. And BTW, the universe is older than the date of the Big Bang. The evidence is in!

Ref.: https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/science/hd140283.html

“Previous research had estimated that the Milky Way galaxy's so-called "Methuselah star" is up to 16 billion years old. That's a problem, since most researchers agree that the Big Bang that created the universe occurred about 13.8 billion years ago. …”

Ref. http://www.space.com/20112-oldest-known-star-universe.html

I don't get it, please explain.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

He simply made the point that your car repair takes precedence over children who suffer and starve on a daily basis.

Did I claim that the car’s repair had precedence over the welfare of children. For someone who has invested twenty years with no pay on behalf of the unborn this represented an unfair response.

I was doing God’s work on behalf of the unborn, and you believe that it was wrong for God to help us get home that evening? I do not understand! It seems to me that you are the ones with upside down priorities! By helping us, the unborn children were also the recipients of said unexpected assistance from above.

 

[bhsmte]

Did I claim that the car’s repair had precedence over the welfare of children. For someone who has invested twenty years with no pay on behalf of the unborn this represented an unfair response.

I was doing God’s work on behalf of the unborn, and you believe that it was wrong for God to help us get home that evening? I do not understand! It seems to me that you are the ones with upside down priorities! By helping us, the unborn children were also the recipients of said unexpected assistance from above.

I think the point here is, you are claiming some divine intervention in your car starting, because your work was important.

All the while, you really wish God did something about those 9 million children who die each year before the age of five.

 

[HitchSlap]

Did I claim that the car’s repair had precedence over the welfare of children. For someone who has invested twenty years with no pay on behalf of the unborn this represented an unfair response.

I was doing God’s work on behalf of the unborn, and you believe that it was wrong for God to help us get home that evening? I do not understand! It seems to me that you are the ones with upside down priorities! By helping us, the unborn children were also the recipients of said unexpected assistance from above.

God's free to help whomever he chooses. I just question what his priorities are.

 

[dad]

Who is said to twist words?



Unbelievers agree with believers. Men wrote it.

False. No more than a quill wrote it.

 

[dad]

God's free to help whomever he chooses. I just question what his priorities are.

Possibly often it has to with His people, and even prayer.

 

[dad]

You alright?

Fine thanks. The Evo aversion to truth and trying to hide the ugly truth of the package deal that evolution really is, simply warrants disgust.

 

[crjmurray]

Fine thanks. The Evo aversion to truth and trying to hide the ugly truth of the package deal that evolution really is, simply warrants disgust.

At least you're pleasant as usual.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

What does experiments in regards to abiogenesis, have to do with the theory of evolution?

The origin of life is an integral part of the theory. If you are dealing with topic of ancestry, why would you stop with the first living cell. The logical question is: What was the ancestor of the first cell? If you can’t answer that query, then the entire theory is perhaps resting on shaky ground.

If your answer is: “God created the first cell,” then why not consider that he was also responsible for the creation of other life forms and adopt the “Common Design” explanation for what we see in nature? If science can’t account for the origin of life, then there should be no reason for rejecting the Common Design option.

 

[bhsmte]

The origin of life is an integral part of the theory. If you are dealing with topic of ancestry, why would you stop with the first living cell. The logical question is: What was the ancestor of the first cell? If you can’t answer that query, then the entire theory is perhaps resting on shaky ground.

If your answer is: “God created the first cell,” then why not consider that he was also responsible for the creation of other life forms and adopt the “Common Design” explanation for what we see in nature? If science can’t account for the origin of life, then there should be no reason for rejecting the Common Design option.

Then show us all, how evolution discusses the origin of life in it's theory and why the theory is dependent on how the origin of life came to be.

And be specific please.

 

[crjmurray]

Then show us all, how evolution discusses the origin of life in it's theory and why the theory is dependent on how the origin of life came to be.

And be specific please.

Seconded

 

[Nic Samojluk]

You might want to actually read your NASA link in its entirety. Revised estimates put it back in the range of the universe.

What will experts do when they find even bigger objects and older in the distant regions of the universe? Will they keep adjusting the age of every older object they find to the age of the BB?

 

[dad]

Then show us all, how evolution discusses the origin of life in it's theory and why the theory is dependent on how the origin of life came to be.

And be specific please.

Would that be evolution after they separated the early origin of life from it? And called it abiogenesis? One needs to simply ask where man came from. We know what evolution claims.

It claims we are animals, came from beasts, and that therfore Jesus didn't really create us. That is the ugly heart and soul of evolution.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

I don't get it, please explain.

Science claims that a singularity is responsible for the BB. A singularity is something science has no way of dealing with because it cannot be accounted for by the laws of physics.

This is the way science deals with mysteries. Scientists reject the creation mystery and end with a singularity mystery. Since science cannot overcome the idea of mystery when dealing with the origin of the universe and life, then it should not put down Christians who accept the biblical mystery.

The Bible tells me that “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” Science rejects this and says: “In the beginning the BB preceded by a singularity.”

What I meant to say with my posting was that God is older than the universe, because he is the one who designed and created it.

Religion is no more a science stopper than science. Both stop at the beginning.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

Then show us all, how evolution discusses the origin of life in it's theory and why the theory is dependent on how the origin of life came to be.

I did! Should I post it again?

 

[bhsmte]

I did! Should I post it again?

Go ahead.