"Embedded Age" Requires Fake Fossils

[crjmurray]

Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaay...


Irrelevant.


Irrelevant.


That is not part of the definition of a nested hierarchy. When I say "an army is a nested hierarchy" that is not the same as saying "the tactics of the army are a nested hierarchy."


And tigers, while not amphibious, can swim. What's your point?


So an army is a nested hierarchy while the tactics and equipment of the army are not part of a nested hierarchy.

The attributes of a military organization are what violates the nested hierarchy concept. Therefore it is not a true nested hierarchy.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The attributes of a military organization are what violates the nested hierarchy concept. Therefore it is not a true nested hierarchy.

One minor correction, if you can show that Army marine units arose from land based units, etc. I would say that then it could still be a nested hierarchy. Just as land life returned to the sea not once, but at several times. The main problem with the supposed nesting is that a captain of one unit, is a captain in any other units.

The military is an imperfect nested hierarchy. It mimics some aspects of one but not all.

 

[AV1611VET]

How can anyone sleep in a fake bed?

Simple -- fake sleep.

 

[crjmurray]

One minor correction, if you can show that Army marine units arose from land based units, etc. I would say that then it could still be a nested hierarchy. Just as land life returned to the sea not once, but at several times. The main problem with the supposed nesting is that a captain of one unit, is a captain in any other units.

The military is an imperfect nested hierarchy. It mimics some aspects of one but not all.

We can find all sorts of examples that can fit a nested hierarchy but we're talking about violations. Horse cav becoming air cav isn't a violation, but the Army adopting naval equipment and tactics to form their own frogmen unit is.

 

[Subduction Zone]

We can find all sorts of examples that can fit a nested hierarchy but we're talking about violations. Horse cav becoming air cav isn't a violation, but the Army adopting naval equipment and tactics to form their own frogmen unit is.

I will grant that. I meant to include the caveat that they would have to have developed their methods independent of the Navy. By adopting technology, equipment, or training methods they broke the nested hierarchy. I think we both agree that it is not a true nested hierarchy and the comparison fails.

 

[crjmurray]

One minor correction, if you can show that Army marine units arose from land based units, etc. I would say that then it could still be a nested hierarchy. Just as land life returned to the sea not once, but at several times. The main problem with the supposed nesting is that a captain of one unit, is a captain in any other units.

The military is an imperfect nested hierarchy. It mimics some aspects of one but not all.

Of course the whole point of this is that human designs do not fit into a nested hierarchy.

 

[crjmurray]

I will grant that. I meant to include the caveat that they would have to have developed their methods independent of the Navy. By adopting technology, equipment, or training methods they broke the nested hierarchy. I think we both agree that it is not a true nested hierarchy and the comparison fails.

Obviously

 

[Loudmouth]

A nested hierarchy is nothing more than a hierarchical ordering of nested sets.

Then show how military equipment and tactics fit into nested sets.

For example, show us the distribution of the F-16's in these units, and show how it produces an objective group of nested sets.

 

[Loudmouth]

I admire your ability to move the goalposts.

Goal posts are where they started. Nested hierarchies are based on physical characteristics, not names. The physical characteristics in the military are the equipment and tactics.

However, even if it could be proved that the equipment used by the army does not fall into a phylogeny, that would be completely irrelevant to whether an army is a nested hierarchy.

No, it wouldn't.

 

[Zosimus]

The attributes of a military organization are what violates the nested hierarchy concept. Therefore it is not a true nested hierarchy.

This answer is not specific enough for me to be able to respond to it.

 

[crjmurray]

This answer is not specific enough for me to be able to respond to it.

Yeah right

 

[Nic Samojluk]

Nic, I am curious as to what the SDA science consensus is with respect to sedimentary strata, i.e., the geologic column? According to young earth creationism, the layers of sedimentary strata were laid down via Noah's Flood. Does SDA science concur, differ, or have mixed views?

The answer is Mixed views. Many Adventists are in the traditionalist camp, while others are rather liberal and some have joined those who believe that God created what we find in nature through evolution.

 

[RickG]

The answer is Mixed views. Many Adventists are in the traditionalist camp, while others are rather liberal and some have joined those who believe that God created what we find in nature through evolution.

Thanks, that's kind of the impression I got looking at some of the SDA sites. I think that's pretty much the same with all Christian denominations, even those who have acknowledged evolution one way or the other.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

Do you have an alternate explanation?

Yes, the Big Bang was invented by scientists who have a commitment to explaining origins without the help of Divine revelation. The Big Bang is not science but rather science fiction. The Bible says: “In the beginning God … ”; while scientists affirm: “In the beginning the Big Bang.

The universe is probably much older than 14.7 billion years, while our planet is much younger, and life on planet earth is perhaps measured in double digit thousands of years.

 

[Loudmouth]

Yes, the Big Bang was invented by scientists who have a commitment to explaining origins without the help of Divine revelation.

The person to first champion the idea was Georges Lemaitre, a JESUIT PRIEST!!!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lemaître

 

[Nic Samojluk]

How can anyone sleep in a fake bed?

I can! I can sleep while watching TV, riding in a car, bus, or train; and I don’t need to be lying down or be seated to fall asleep.

When I was in college, one day I was helping my boss clean the floor of the college bakery. He asked me to stop what I was doing and listen to him. I did, and he had to wake me up so he could finish his story.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

The person to first champion the idea was Georges Lemaitre, a JESUIT PRIEST!!!!!!

Yes, and Darwin had a religious background.

“On board the Beagle, Darwin was quite orthodox and would quote the Bible as an authority on morality.”

Ref.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin#Religious_views

 

[Loudmouth]

Yes, and Darwin had a religious background.



“On board the Beagle, Darwin was quite orthodox and would quote the Bible as an authority on morality.”

Ref.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin#Religious_views

"Yes, the Big Bang was invented by scientists who have a commitment to explaining origins without the help of Divine revelation."--Nic Samojluk

Do you still stand by that statement?

 

[AV1611VET]

The person to first champion the idea was Georges Lemaitre, a JESUIT PRIEST!!!!!!

WOW!!!!!!

I didn't know that!

Stand aside, Genesis 1!

A JESUIT PRIEST!!!!!! is here to set the record straight!

 

[Nic Samojluk]

Do you still stand by that statement?

Yes, the only thing I would change is to replace the term “invented” with the word “embraced.”