"Embedded Age" and Why it's Wrong

[PsychoSarah]

Still waiting for this one..


"You do realize the moment you give a time frame for your supposed change of state I will refute you, right?" --PsychoSarah

Sorry, forgot for a bit, family planning on the day we spread my dog's ashes.

4400 was the year, this means that after this point, all time stabilizes, all things should be dated correctly based on the methods we use for living things.

I will mention again that scripture doesn't support you, you are making up a wonky physics claim to support the bible in its failings. Also recognize that you, nor anyone that agrees with you, can claim the earth to be perfectly placed or the universe perfectly made for life, as the universe, as per your theory, isn't stable. Well, less stable than mainstream physics reveals, anyways.

Now, if this is when things stabilize, this means that at this point, god's ruling that no human shall exceed the age of 120 should come into effect. World record lifespan for a recent person is 122, she died in the mid 1990s. So unless you think that ruling made by god is 100% junk, this is an issue.

Now on to light, should everything be stabilized at 4400 years ago (light magically being just ridiculously faster for no good reason so that we can see the stars, or light energy in typical form generated by god along with the stars) this should actually make there be a discrepancy between the actual distance we are from stars and the light we receive (completely warped). But, this is highly problematic, as we can detect the radiation of the universe, and there is no sudden fall in speed that this energy travels (basically, thanks to our modern telescopes, if the speed of light or any other form of energy universe wide actually occurred, we would be able to actually see it). We see no such thing.

Wonky decay rates, because apparently, the only physics you think must have been different are those which date the earth to be old which is really cherry picking. Now, if radioactive decay rates were different in such a way that we date things as older than they are, then the decay rates in the "prior" state must have been much, much faster. This is bad news for life, you have any idea how much deadly radiation would have to be released in a 1,600 year time frame to have it register at current rates as billions of years old? I have trouble wrapping my mind around it, the prior state would be a radioactive wasteland.

 

[dad]

Sorry, forgot for a bit, family planning on the day we spread my dog's ashes.

4400 was the year, this means that after this point, all time stabilizes, all things should be dated correctly based on the methods we use for living things.

Problem with that, is that they need calibration from things such as tree rings. If trees grew in weeks replete with lots of rings, and the state changed...we would still have the rings...but they didn't take years to get there! That means scientific dating accuracy diminishes as we approach the nature change date.

I will mention again that scripture doesn't support you, you are making up a wonky physics claim to support the bible in its failings.

You don't know what you are talking about. The bible does support me big big big time. Do you think with all the bible whizzes around, they would not have knocked my case half way to Kansas by now if it were weak?? If they can't you sure can't.

Also recognize that you, nor anyone that agrees with you, can claim the earth to be perfectly placed or the universe perfectly made for life, as the universe, as per your theory, isn't stable. Well, less stable than mainstream physics reveals, anyways.

?? No. I don't think that. I think God created life here and placed the universe later!

Now, if this is when things stabilize, this means that at this point, god's ruling that no human shall exceed the age of 120 should come into effect.

Misconception. I used to have that one too, don't feel bad. That 120 year thing was a countdown till some event that would be in 120 years from the time it was spoken. Most think that refers to the flood. My opinion is that it may refer to the split! That would mean it did not take 120 years to build the ark as most assume! (more like 14 to 19 years)

World record lifespan for a recent person is 122, she died in the mid 1990s. So unless you think that ruling made by god is 100% junk, this is an issue.

The life spans were almost 1000 years. Not 120.

Now on to light, should everything be stabilized at 4400 years ago (light magically being just ridiculously faster for no good reason so that we can see the stars, or light energy in typical form generated by god along with the stars) this should actually make there be a discrepancy between the actual distance we are from stars and the light we receive (completely warped).

No! Spacetime determines our laws and how time is woven into things here. How light behaves in our spacetime does NOT mean that any it changed speed IN this spacetime. It likely means that spacetime was different, so light behaved accordingly. How much time does light take to move out in the far universe, IF say, there was NO time as we know it!?

But, this is highly problematic, as we can detect the radiation of the universe, and there is no sudden fall in speed that this energy travels (basically, thanks to our modern telescopes, if the speed of light or any other form of energy universe wide actually occurred, we would be able to actually see it). We see no such thing.

False. What we detect is perceived as radiation here where there is radiation! Unless time existed also, there is no 'speed' as we think of it. Speed means moving so far in so much time!

Wonky decay rates, because apparently, the only physics you think must have been different are those which date the earth to be old which is really cherry picking.

No. If nature changed..forces and laws...then it would not be rates changing in this nature!

Now, if radioactive decay rates were different in such a way that we date things as older than they are, then the decay rates in the "prior" state must have been much, much faster.

Prove ANY decay existed? Forget faster or slower rates! To have decay we must have our forces like the strong nuclear force etc. I think you merely assume.

This is bad news for life, you have any idea how much deadly radiation would have to be released in a 1,600 year time frame to have it register at current rates as billions of years old?

The isotopes in existence would merely start to fall into a decay relationship WHEN our forces and spacetime and laws came to exist! One cannot look at the patterns as if they got here by decay. They merely represent decay now, because they exist here in this state.

I have trouble wrapping my mind around it, the prior state would be a radioactive wasteland.

?? Radioactivity is a feature of this state! Not the former one that we know. Let's stick to what is known.

By the way, I suspect that this state will end in the Tribulation period. That may mean nukes would no longer work, and even motors on tanks etc and planes may not work! Notice all the horses and stuff in prophesy!!

 

[PsychoSarah]

Well come on dad, tell me how the physics were in the prior state, not some claim that they were different alone. I can't hope to refute an idea that is this incomplete, it would be like playing a game with a little kid, who every time they are about to lose they change the rules.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I have trouble wrapping my mind around it, the prior state would be a radioactive wasteland.

By the way, I suspect that this state will end in the Tribulation period. That may mean nukes would no longer work, and even motors on tanks etc and planes may not work!

Notice all the horses and stuff in prophesy!!

Chariots also

YLT Search Results for "chariots"
"chariots"
occurs 69 times in 59 verses in the YLT.

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
THE DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM AD70

Rev 18:
10 from afar having stood because of the fear of her torment, saying, Wo, wo, the great city! Babylon, the strong city!
because in one hour did come thy judgment.
13 and cinnamon and odours, and ointment and frankincense, and wine and oil, and fine flour and wheat, and cattle and sheep,
and of horses and of chariots, and of bodies and souls of men.

The Chariot Race Scene From Ben Hur, Now With Yakety Sax - YouTube



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[PsychoSarah]

Where exactly would these chariots come from? A museum?

 

[florida2]

Chariots also

YLT Search Results for "chariots"
"chariots"
occurs 69 times in 59 verses in the YLT.

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
THE DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM AD70

Rev 18:
10 from afar having stood because of the fear of her torment, saying, Wo, wo, the great city! Babylon, the strong city!
because in one hour did come thy judgment.
13 and cinnamon and odours, and ointment and frankincense, and wine and oil, and fine flour and wheat, and cattle and sheep,
and of horses and of chariots, and of bodies and souls of men.

The Chariot Race Scene From Ben Hur, Now With Yakety Sax - YouTube



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Gosh, chariots being mentioned in writing created at the time of the Roman Empire! Who'd a thunk it?

 

[Mainframes]

By the way, I suspect that this state will end in the Tribulation period. That may mean nukes would no longer work, and even motors on tanks etc and planes may not work! Notice all the horses and stuff in prophesy!!

Horses and stuff in prophesy due to the fact that at the time of writing all they could conceive of were 'Horses and stuff'.......

 

[dad]

Well come on dad, tell me how the physics were in the prior state, not some claim that they were different alone.

Science can't do that, it just claims they were the same.

I can't hope to refute an idea that is this incomplete, it would be like playing a game with a little kid, who every time they are about to lose they change the rules.

You should be able to hope to prove the state you claim and science claims! If not, then, hey we all have our own beliefs! I will accept what God said it was like.

 

[dad]

Horses and stuff in prophesy due to the fact that at the time of writing all they could conceive of were 'Horses and stuff'.......

Speculation. May be God is more clever than you thought.

 

[dad]

Chariots also

You are right, generally. However, I am not sure chariots are mentioned in the very very end. For example, the battle of Armageddon?

 

[Loudmouth]

Problem with that, is that they need calibration from things such as tree rings. If trees grew in weeks replete with lots of rings, and the state changed...we would still have the rings...but they didn't take years to get there! That means scientific dating accuracy diminishes as we approach the nature change date.

That's right folks, dad's fantasies trump reality.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Science can't do that, it just claims they were the same.

You should be able to hope to prove the state you claim and science claims! If not, then, hey we all have our own beliefs! I will accept what God said it was like.

Foolish dad, the burden of proof lies on both sides of this debate, if you can't provide evidence of a different state past, and I can't provide evidence of a same state one, the debate is a draw, neither of us wins. I have the evidence of what we observe matching up with consistent physics (relatively speaking). If you can't even provide something other than your personal biblical interpretation, I win by default as I am the only one with any evidence, even if that evidence isn't exactly strong, it beats having no evidence at all.

 

[dad]

That's right folks, dad's fantasies trump reality.

Don't pretend you have proof trees did not grow fast in Noah's day! Unless you get some, it takes squat to trump your idea of 'reality'.

 

[dad]

Foolish dad, the burden of proof lies on both sides of this debate, if you can't provide evidence of a different state past, and I can't provide evidence of a same state one, the debate is a draw, neither of us wins.

That is where you are very very wrong! You see, the arena that it is a draw is only the little arena of science. It is you that claimed to have something in that arena! I merely point out you don't.
I have no burden of proof in the so called science department. Either you prove a same state past you require and claim in science, or you lose unequivocally.

I have a burden of proof that God says something quite different than what science teaches and preaches, with all the money it leaches.

I have the evidence of what we observe matching up with consistent physics (relatively speaking).

I have the same evidence that matches up with that and more! Science has pipe dreams of a never never land past, and all pathetic so called matches are within the pipe dream! Internally consistent..sort of...although not really, at least not for long, as they change their tune like birds!

No, you may not molest the evidence with your belief system.

 

[biggles53]

Put up or shut up dad.........show us where in your scriptures it claims that there was a 'different state past'........where does it say that time passed at a different rate (whatever that would even mean...)....? Where does it say that light travelled faster or slower...? Where does it say that the laws of physics were different...?

Either quote the verses, or admit that it's your own little piece of fantasy...

 

[tacdon]

God created everything in six 24 hour days. It was supernaturally done and who knows what effects the supernatural events had on all known laws of science.

 

[dad]

Put up or shut up dad.........show us where in your scriptures it claims that there was a 'different state past'........where does it say that time passed at a different rate (whatever that would even mean...)....?

You seem to be conflating issues. I would think that time is more of an issue for the universe, rather than the past on earth. The reason people lived longer here likely would not be because time passed slower.

Focus.

Where does it say that light travelled faster or slower...?

Don't think of light traveling slower or faster in our spacetime. I think we know that is not likely. Now if our laws and forces and spacetime were not the same, THEN light may be able to do things it can't do here.

For example creation took 6 days, and the stars were made I think on day four. How could distant star light be seen by Adam on day 6?

Where does it say that the laws of physics were different...?

When it indicates trees grew fast, light behaved differently, and spirits lived with men, and men lived 1000 years almost etc...that REQUIRES something other than present state physics!

 

[biggles53]

You seem to be conflating issues. I would think that time is more of an issue for the universe, rather than the past on earth. The reason people lived longer here likely would not be because time passed slower.

Focus.



Don't think of light traveling slower or faster in our spacetime. I think we know that is not likely. Now if our laws and forces and spacetime were not the same, THEN light may be able to do things it can't do here.

For example creation took 6 days, and the stars were made I think on day four. How could distant star light be seen by Adam on day 6?
When it indicates trees grew fast, light behaved differently, and spirits lived with men, and men lived 1000 years almost etc...that REQUIRES something other than present state physics!

Blah, blah, blah.......again, here is your chance to put up or shut up...!

Show me chapter and verse where your scriptures, as you incessantly claim, indicate a 'different state past'....

Show me where it says your god either sped up or slowed down light...

Show me where it says that the laws of physics were different...

You can't, can you...? Because this stupid charade of yours exists only in your head....!!

 

[dad]

Show me chapter and verse where your scriptures, as you incessantly claim, indicate a 'different state past'....

Do you doubt that the past described in the bible is in the bible? Get a grip. Like you care?

Show me where it says your god either sped up or slowed down light...

Adam saw stars...connect the dots. But I never said light was sped up. It was just in the foormer state so behaved differently for whatever reasons.

Show me where it says that the laws of physics were different...

In creation week we have a planetary rapid movement of all the water and land. No friction heat killed anyone. Go figure.


I can see why those who try to cling to the empty belief of a same state past would get frantic, but anyone that can read can see that you have no proof for a same state past. We also cannot reconcile the realities of the bible past with current laws.


Deal with it.

 

[PsychoSarah]

God created everything in six 24 hour days. It was supernaturally done and who knows what effects the supernatural events had on all known laws of science.

Actually, considering the earth's rotation is gradually slowing down, those days would have been a tad shorter.