"Embedded Age" and Why it's Wrong

[VirOptimus]

You can't put a square peg into a round hole, and you can't put science into the creation week.

Yes, you could say its all magic, cant be disproven, but that is not what you do. You give scenarios that are either impossible or would leave traces.

 

[EternalDragon]

Yes, you could say its all magic, cant be disproven, but that is not what you do. You give scenarios that are either impossible or would leave traces.

You mean like dead things all over the world, buried rapidly in sediment?

Sediment is a naturally occurring material that is broken down by processes of weathering and erosion, and is subsequently transported by the action of wind, water, or ice, and/or by the force of gravity acting on the particle itself.

 

[Mainframes]

You mean like dead things all over the world, buried rapidly in sediment?

Sediment is a naturally occurring material that is broken down by processes of weathering and erosion, and is subsequently transported by the action of wind, water, or ice, and/or by the force of gravity acting on the particle itself.

How do you account for the dead things being sorted into very specific layers based upon the age of the organism then?

 

[AV1611VET]

How do you account for the dead things being sorted into very specific layers based upon the age of the organism then?

1 Corinthians 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

How do you account for them?

 

[dad]

Are you under the impression that I am the only one who is aware of the ancient history of the earth and the ancient history of the migrations of our species?

What about migrations do you think helps your case? Obviously animals migrated before the separation also. That doesn't help you. Are you aware of that?

Well, in your mind its not evidence, but you do realize many of us think there is evidence for old age continental separation.

In your mind, a samestatepastdunnit. So? As I said you have no evidence for the old ages you insert into the event. Since you are religiously motivated and want us to just believe the same as you without proof, and deny all the evidence does NOT require your present state past, we disregard your dibs on it all. The evidence is mine also. In every way, and in all honesty.

 

[Mainframes]

1 Corinthians 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

How do you account for them?

Now lets have that verse in its proper context. You can't just pull random quotations and apply them ad hoc.

As for my accounting of them - More primitive organisms ALWAYS appear lower down the layers than more recent organisms. ALWAYS.

This could not have occured during one single flooding and sediment layering event.

 

[Loudmouth]

You mean like dead things all over the world, buried rapidly in sediment?

How do you get hundreds of feet of tiny little coccolithophores from a single flood?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

In your mind, a samestatepastdunnit. So? As I said you have no evidence for the old ages you insert into the event.

We have continents that have moved thousands of miles at inches per year. We have radioactive decay daughters that would take millions, even billions, of years to form. We have observations of galaxies by light that had to travel billions of years to come to us. We have retroviral inserts in our genomes that would take millions of years to accumulate, and they transcend the boundaries of our current species. We have vestiges in our bodies from previous species.

Its not that we have no evidence. Its that you disregard the evidence, and claim your idea of different past states gives you the right to do so.

. The evidence is mine also. In every way, and in all honesty.

But you only deal with the evidence by denying it, using your notion of a diffferent past state as an excuse.

Alas, your notion of a different past state does not even allow you to be confident of the history of your own religion. You cannot accept the Bible as true, because, after all, it might hark back to a time of a different past state when it could have arisen falsely.

You'd never know if that were the case . . . how could you? So you have no reason to accept your own religion.

 

[florida2]

1 Corinthians 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

How do you account for them?

Oh dear, AV, taken to pulling verses out of context?

The end of that chapter is talking about how worship should be carried out in church, including the rather unfortunate bits about women being in submission and not being allowed to speak.

 

[EternalDragon]

How do you get hundreds of feet of tiny little coccolithophores from a single flood?

The same way you get 3 feet of snow in one day in the winter. They all died together in the flood.

 

[florida2]

The same way you get 3 feet of snow in one day in the winter. They all died together in the flood.

And you seriously think that amount of rock can just be made over, what, a few months? Really?

 

[EternalDragon]

And you seriously think that amount of rock can just be made over, what, a few months? Really?

It's been scientifically shown to be possible. I've discussed this on other threads and posted links. By the way, it isn't "rock".

 

[Loudmouth]

The same way you get 3 feet of snow in one day in the winter. They all died together in the flood.

Snow isn't made up of microscopic creatures like chalk is. This is what chalk is made up of.

How does a flood create enough coccolithophores to stack hundreds of feet thick in a single year?

 

[Loudmouth]

It's been scientifically shown to be possible.

Prove it.

 

[AV1611VET]

And you seriously think that amount of rock can just be made over, what, a few months? Really?

QV please:

Who says they were in the water at the time?

The flood waters are gone, the land is dry, and God "sweeps" them up and stockpiles them in [what is now] Dover.

 

[EternalDragon]

Prove it.

You do realize the rate of erosion of those cliffs? Why are they still here if it took millions of years to form? Also, are there any forming slowly today? Please provide your evidence.

There are different levels of solar ultraviolet rays today, different ocean conditions, etc. etc.

https://answersingenesis.org/geology/sedimentation/can-flood-geology-explain-thick-chalk-beds/

 

[florida2]

I have to say, AV, you do make me laugh.

 

[Loudmouth]

You do realize the rate of erosion of those cliffs? Why are they still here if it took millions of years to form?

I see that you have already abandoned your first claim that hundreds of feet of chalk could form in a single year.

Now you make the mistake of assuming that every cliff in the world has been eroding at the same rate throughout time.

Also, are there any forming slowly today? Please provide your evidence.

The evidence is the population of coccolithophores found in the water, which is low. In order for chalk to accumulate, they have to reproduce, die, and then settle out of the water. This takes a massive amount of time for the deposits seen because of the limit on their numbers. They are phytoplankton which means they need light. You need shallow waters with lower sediments, not something that could really be found during a flood that was supposed to deposit the vast majority of the worlds sediments. Next, you need still waters so they can settle out, again, not a feature of the supposed Noachian flood.

There are different levels of solar ultraviolet rays today, different ocean conditions, etc. etc.

Prove it.

https://answersingenesis.org/geology/sedimentation/can-flood-geology-explain-thick-chalk-beds/

Nowhere do they detail a chalk bed hundreds of feet deep being deposited in a single year.

 

[dad]

We have continents that have moved thousands of miles at inches per year.

That is the present state rate. You need this nature to have that rate. You can't have it.

We have radioactive decay daughters that would take millions, even billions, of years to form.

You have patterns of isotopes that IN this state represent decay. Mentally extending decay requires this state. No can do.

We have observations of galaxies by light that had to travel billions of years to come to us.

You have fantasy distances and no clue as to the real nature of the universe. You invoke time far far away and you do so only by pure faith. That is not science.

We have retroviral inserts in our genomes that would take millions of years to accumulate, and they transcend the boundaries of our current species.

Transfer from species happened in different ways, only by claiming a present state transfer do you get foolish old ages....or only hereditary transfers.

We have vestiges in our bodies from previous species.

We adapted to this state!

Its not that we have no evidence.

Oh is sure is exactly that.

Its that you disregard the evidence,

Imposing your godless religion on evidence is NOT evidence. Get over it.

and claim your idea of different past states gives you the right to do so.

Amen! God's ideas of how the past were gives us the right to know.

Alas, your notion of a different past state does not even allow you to be confident of the history of your own religion.

Crazy talk. In no way does the differences God recorded in the future and past negate either history of prophesy.

You'd never know if that were the case . . . how could you?

The same way we know what went on in the past, looking at His word. How hard is that?

 

[AV1611VET]

I have to say, AV, you do make me laugh.

Who says truth is supposed to make you cry?