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I don´t know how you would get that notion from the above post. Nor does it have to do anything with the question at hand.So you are YEC?
If you say Adam didn't have an age, then neither did the earth --- and if Adam was 1 year old after the earth went around the sun once, then so was the earth (one year and five days, to be exact).I don´t know how you would get that notion from the above post. Nor does it have to do anything with the question at hand.
Yes.Now let´s trade an answer for an answer:
Was Adam 30 years old (or any other certain age that you would consider "mature") the day he was created?
Err, no. It makes me someone who can take a certain position to its conclusions, even without accepting it as correct.If you say Adam didn't have an age, then neither did the earth --- and if Adam was 1 year old after the earth went around the sun once, then so was the earth (one year and five days, to be exact).
That clearly makes you a YEC.
So, what does that mean? You´d have to settle on one age - whatever that might be - because something / someone cannot be two or different ages at once.Yes.
So, what does that mean? You´d have to settle on one age - whatever that might be - because something / someone cannot be two or different ages at once.
So what does it mean when you say e.g. "Adam was 30 years old when he was created", in contrast to "Adam was 40 years old when he was created"?
And that conclusion is YEC --- not Embedded Age.Err, no. It makes me someone who can take a certain position to its conclusions, even without accepting it as correct.
That means that God embedded age into Adam.So, what does that mean?
I use the age of 30 as an arbitrary figure --- I really don't know how old Adam was exactly.You´d have to settle on one age - whatever that might be - because something / someone cannot be two or different ages at once.
As I said, it's just an arbitrary number.So what does it mean when you say e.g. "Adam was 30 years old when he was created", in contrast to "Adam was 40 years old when he was created"?
This is not true, you can be two different ages at the same time: real and perceived. Have you ever heard someone use the phrase 'I'm ___ years old, but I have the body of a ___ year old?' They're speaking of biological age. If I were to invent a cloning process that allows me to grow adult humans, then the person stepping out of the tank would be only minutes old, but look 20 years old. This is the difference between 'real' and 'perceived' age. This discussion to me looks like you two are debating apples and oranges, or real and perceived.
And that conclusion is YEC --- not Embedded Age.That means that God embedded age into Adam.I use the age of 30 as an arbitrary figure --- I really don't know how old Adam was exactly.
He could walk, talk, and marry --- so I picked 30.
Actually, I used to use 20 as his age, until someone mentioned 30 would be a better figure.As I said, it's just an arbitrary number.
Physically --- Adam was 30 years old.
Existentially --- Adam was 1 day old.
Err, no. You are making the same mistake as AV does. You are taking the experience that humans have of aging processes, and attribute that as "age".
Or not quite: at last you distinguish between "real" and "perceived" age. AV doesn´t.
But even that does not work: if you were to invent this said cloning process, this too would be a process. It would take time, encompass history and would most likely show up in the makeup of the clone. The clone would superficially look like a 20 years old human... but also like a 20 minute old clone of a human.
It is only because you don´t have any experience with the imagined cloning process, but lot´s of experience with growing up that you would take the one for the other.
And I'm telling you --- for the umpteenth time --- that embedded history is Omphalism.
The one thing you are not doing in this thread is telling us why Embedded Age is wrong. In fact, you want to discuss everything BUT embedded age, and, to be honest, I can clearly see that you have no idea what Embedded Age is - (but you're not alone here).
The difference is the focal point of this whole discussion: what does "age" mean?But if a 20 minute old clone is perceivable as a 20 year old human, doesn't that mean that a 20 minute clone can be perceived as a 20 year old human, and so the perceived age of the clone by an observer is 20 years?
One can claim that real age is absolute while perceived age is relative. Let's take for instance the movie Blade Runner.
***SPOILER ALERT*** Do not read below this line if you haven't seen this movie and don't want to know the plot.
In this movie, artificial humans are manufactured as a cheap and efficient labor source. The differences between them are mental only- an artificial human has no life experience and so fails certain forms of mental tests such as for emotion. An observer looking upon an artificial human would be unable to tell a 3 year old one from a 25 year old human, therefore they observe, they perceive the age as 25 years old. This is further complicated by the revelation that a new class of artificial human had been created that has memories. The one introduced is so real that it passed the emotion test, and our protagonist didn't even know she was manufactured until he was given that information. Her perceived age was so realistic that *she* thought she was really over 20 years old, instead of just a few years at most.
Given this, even though perceived age is not real, and is relative to the observer, it has real consequences. Another example is the antiquing process of making replicas look old. It's not real age, it's only perceived age, but it can have real monetary consequences.
And that conclusion is YEC --- not Embedded Age.That means that God embedded age into Adam.I use the age of 30 as an arbitrary figure --- I really don't know how old Adam was exactly.
He could walk, talk, and marry --- so I picked 30.
Actually, I used to use 20 as his age, until someone mentioned 30 would be a better figure.As I said, it's just an arbitrary number.
Physically --- Adam was 30 years old.
Existentially --- Adam was 1 day old.
you have no evidence ex nihilo can happen, so your not exactly on solid ground.History is generated when events occur w/i the passage of time. This is not the nature of something created ex nihilo. Adam had nothing to look back on.What word am I redefining?
skipping rocks? i said nothing about the world 'old'. I said age and history.I can tell you, without looking, that I'm using definition #4 in answers.com for the word "old".
I don't know --- I can't put myself in God's place and see what He would see had Adam not been created with age. I'm sure He had His reasons.If Adam was created as a 30 year old, why would any age need to be "embedded" in him?
QV please --- 1.
Yes.does the apple have a stem?
No --- in my opinion.does Adam have a belly button
No --- not in Genesis 1.does the earth have fossils?
Yes.No --- in my opinion.No --- not in Genesis 1.
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