"Embedded Age" and Why it's Wrong

[gaara4158]

Wow, I´m impressed.

"age" is given as the state of being "old" while "old" is being defined as showing the signs of "age".

AV, you are truly a master of doublespeak!

hahaahha that's beautiful.

 

[Nathan Poe]

How can Chinese writing be 6000 years old, when 6000 years ago Adam and Eve were the only two people on the face of a 4.57 billion-year-old planet?

I've mentioned before, that the Chinese didn't come about until Genesis 10, which is long after Adam and Eve were gone.

You keep mentioning this, and you're just as wrong now as you were the first time. Did you think God was going to change history for your benefit?

Oh, wait -- "embedded age" -- of course you did.

 

[AV1611VET]

It also demonstrates God doing something one way and going through a lot of extraBiblical hassle to make it look like it was done another way.

Nope --- not hardly.

 

[Freodin]

AV, don´t you see that this is a serious problem in your hypothesis?

All of our - humanities - definitions of "age" or "old"... even "maturity", are based on the passing time. And that means history.

So if you cannot present a defintion of your terms that explicitly exclude the passage of time, your statement is undistinguishable from the omphalos version.

 

[GoSeminoles!]

which God, who cannot lie[/B], promised before time began

Hebrews 6:18 that by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we might have strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us.

So here we have two verses which show it is in fact impossible for God to lie. So we have the Bible which tells us God cannot lie and we have a theological belief in which God created a world that appears older than what it really is. That sounds like a lie to me.

The bible also has these passages which suggest Jehovah's pants are on fire:

Ezekiel 14:9 And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
2 Thessalonians 2:11 For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

 

[AV1611VET]

AV, don´t you see that this is a serious problem in your hypothesis?

I can see how it is with you guys.

I recently asked my wife if she had any problems whatsoever with Embedded Age, and she said, "none".

As I have said before, the only ones who seem to have problems with this, is you guys.

I have a whole church full of people who either nod, or say, "Amen", when the pastor preaches this stuff.

I can't help it if you guys don't understand --- especially when you make jokes, etc. between explanations, call God a liar and a deceiver, and throw ad hominems my way.

All of our - humanities - definitions of "age" or "old"... even "maturity", are based on the passing time. And that means history.

And yet I've clearly said that Embedded Age is maturity without history. I wouldn't have to specify "without" if this wasn't a special case, but it is a one-time, one-week, act of omnipotence that not even the angels can repeat.

So if you cannot present a defintion of your terms that explicitly exclude the passage of time, your statement is undistinguishable from the omphalos version.

Here it is --- please note yet again my exclusion of the passage of time:

• maturity without history

 

[BananaSlug]

How can Chinese writing be 6000 years old, when 6000 years ago Adam and Eve were the only two people on the face of a 4.57 billion-year-old planet?

I've mentioned before, that the Chinese didn't come about until Genesis 10, which is long after Adam and Eve were gone.

Maybe God embedded an extra few millenia of human history as well. 6000 year old Chinese writing- embedded age. 3.7 million year footprints- embedded age. Any human history older than 6,000 years, it was embedded.

We've found many human fossils (of actual Homo sapiens) that are much older than 6,000 years. I presume God embedded the age in these bones as well, huh AV?

 

[Hespera]

Originally Posted by AV1611VET

How can Chinese writing be 6000 years old, when 6000 years ago Adam and Eve were the only two people on the face of a 4.57 billion-year-old planet?

I've mentioned before, that the Chinese didn't come about until Genesis 10, which is long after Adam and Eve were gone.
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[Hespera]

As i mentioned before, this is pretty funny coming from someone whose ancestors were
chucking spears at wooly mammoths while mine were sipping tea and writing poetry.

 

[Cabal]

As i mentioned before, this is pretty funny coming from someone whose ancestors were
chucking spears at wooly mammoths while mine were sipping tea and writing poetry.

Pfft. "Embedded culture"

 

[ragarth]

As i mentioned before, this is pretty funny coming from someone whose ancestors were
chucking spears at wooly mammoths while mine were sipping tea and writing poetry.

:-( My ancestors were planting corn and developing decent ecological processes until another people's ancestors gave them small pox. :-(

 

[gaara4158]

As i mentioned before, this is pretty funny coming from someone whose ancestors were
chucking spears at wooly mammoths while mine were sipping tea and writing poetry.

"history can take a hike" eh

 

[BananaSlug]

I can see how it is with you guys.

I recently asked my wife if she had any problems whatsoever with Embedded Age, and she said, "none".

As I have said before, the only ones who seem to have problems with this, is you guys.

I have a whole church full of people who either nod, or say, "Amen", when the pastor preaches this stuff.

I'm afraid the only ones who have a problem with "embedded age" are people who understand the problems of such theology.

I can't help it if you guys don't understand --- especially when you make jokes, etc. between explanations, call God a liar and a deceiver, and throw ad hominems my way.

We do understand. You fail to understand the implications of such theology. If God created the appearance of something that never happened, that is a lie. Most people who would believe such a thing would never really stop and think about the deeper implications of "embedded age" theology.

And yet I've clearly said that Embedded Age is maturity without history. I wouldn't have to specify "without" if this wasn't a special case, but it is a one-time, one-week, act of omnipotence that not even the angels can repeat.Here it is --- please note yet again my exclusion of the passage of time:

• maturity without history

And I've given you several examples of how you cannot have an old earth without a history. 250 million year old rock signifies age, fossils in 250 million year old rock signifies history.

 

[Hespera]

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Originally Posted by Hespera

As i mentioned before, this is pretty funny coming from someone whose ancestors were
chucking spears at wooly mammoths while mine were sipping tea and writing poetry.
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:-( My ancestors were planting corn and developing decent ecological processes until another people's ancestors gave them small pox. :-(



Hespera sez>>>>>>>

Well one of our posters assures us that the native americans were evil and that the conquistodores etc were just doing gods will and judgement. They is christianized now, and it wuz the best thing ever hapened to 'em. so dont take it hard. It helped a lot. i heard about that.

 

[AV1611VET]

Maybe God embedded an extra few millenia of human history as well.

And I'm telling you --- for the umpteenth time --- that embedded history is Omphalism.

This is one concept you cannot seem to grasp.

6000 year old Chinese writing- embedded age. 3.7 million year footprints- embedded age. Any human history older than 6,000 years, it was embedded.

No, it wasn't --- it is non-existent.

We've found many human fossils (of actual Homo sapiens) that are much older than 6,000 years. I presume God embedded the age in these bones as well, huh AV?

And I'm not going to discuss fossils in a thread dedicated to Embedded Age Creation.

The one thing you are not doing in this thread is telling us why Embedded Age is wrong. In fact, you want to discuss everything BUT embedded age, and, to be honest, I can clearly see that you have no idea what Embedded Age is - (but you're not alone here).

 

[AV1611VET]

:-( My ancestors were planting corn and developing decent ecological processes until another people's ancestors gave them small pox. :-(

Your ancestors, in the context of this thread, were walking and talking with the Creator of the universe in a garden that He planted --- as two fully-mature, married adults.

 

[AV1611VET]

We do understand. You fail to understand the implications of such theology. If God created the appearance of something that never happened, that is a lie. Most people who would believe such a thing would never really stop and think about the deeper implications of "embedded age" theology.

BananaSlug, I can assure you that I'm using all the patience I can muster to keep from threading-out. I am so tired of telling you over and over, between you guys' jokes and ad hominems, the difference between embedded age and embedded history.

I don't "fail to understand" a thing --- believe me --- you are the one who fails to understand.

You baited me here with a discussion I thought was going to be on the Creation Week, and you want to discuss fossils, the Chinese, and everything but Creation.

 

[ragarth]

BananaSlug, I can assure you that I'm using all the patience I can muster to keep from threading-out. I am so tired of telling you over and over, between you guys' jokes and ad hominems, the difference between embedded age and embedded history.

I don't "fail to understand" a thing --- believe me --- you are the one who fails to understand.

You baited me here with a discussion I thought was going to be on the Creation Week, and you want to discuss fossils, the Chinese, and everything but Creation.

AV, I attempted to understand your proposition, but when I tried to rephrase it to you, you responded with lunch meat. I did not make a joke about your beliefs, and I did not provide an ad hominem, but I received inanity back telling me neither if I had your belief right or wrong, or why. By saying you were telling us the difference, when my experience in this thread has been you have had no such interest in doing so is ridiculous.

 

[ragarth]

Well one of our posters assures us that the native americans were evil and that the conquistodores etc were just doing gods will and judgement. They is christianized now, and it wuz the best thing ever hapened to 'em. so dont take it hard. It helped a lot. i heard about that.

Please don't remind me of that cesspool of bigotry.

 

[AV1611VET]

AV, I attempted to understand your proposition, but when I tried to rephrase it to you, you responded with lunch meat. I did not make a joke about your beliefs, and I did not provide an ad hominem, but I received inanity back telling me neither if I had your belief right or wrong, or why. By saying you were telling us the difference, when my experience in this thread has been you have had no such interest in doing so is ridiculous.

I didn't understand a word of your post, Ragarth --- and to be honest --- I thought it a little crass of you to be injecting scientfic theory, or whatever that stuff was, into an explanation that is so blame easy to understand.

Once again, the Creation Week is not --- repeat: NOT --- science --- it is history, and [all] your science can go to Helsinki for all I care.