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Elon Musk prepared to ‘go to war’ with Apple over moderation demands

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Does moderation have to go further than the law? How about if it’s legal under US law, we allow it?

We do allow it. A business has a right to decide what to publish on their platform. I am not particularly fond of the ambiguity of article 230 myself. I have been banned from a right wing website for speaking truth. Politely. I just accepted it and went on with my life.
 
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Does moderation have to go further than the law? How about if it’s legal under US law, we allow it?
How about the owner of the platform gets to decide as long as what they are doing conforms to the law. Given there is a separation between public and private enterprise. Otherwise you may as well have a communist system where the government tells everyone how to run their business.
 
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You seem to agree that such a thing would be an unfair abuse of power. That means it is not "good talk". It is bad enough to rile up your base with empty promises of good things; how much worse to rile them up over empty promises of wicked things.
"Good talk" in the sense that it's sounds good politically. Yes, I do think it would be an abuse of power. During the debates over whether the US should have Federally controlled national bank, the argument was that such was permitted due to the General Welfare clause of the US Constitution. But someone - I can't remember who - argued that the power (for congress) to do all that is deemed good was also the power to do all that is deemed evil. There are restrictions on government for a reason.

You can make the argument that sweetheart deals common in state legislatures to attract industry are unfair. It seems though that these are limited, with Florida's sweetheart deal for Disney on the extreme side To end a sweetheart deal is different than enacting legislation that targets as specific company. But such sweetheart deals are on the state, county/parish, city level, not federal.

Since this came up, I've been trying to remember an instance involving liquor on either the state or federal level. The gist was that one company wanted protection from another, which sold liquor not aged as long. A bill was introduced and passed defining what could be constituted a liquor of that type, and wouldn't you know it, liquor not aged as long as the competitor's could no longer be called by that type. The excuse was it was to protect quality.
 
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Yep, legal moderation is legal.
What, though, is legal moderation? In the US, private entities are not bound by constitutional protections of speech. I don't like bias that's shown on social media (which is why I'm not on Facebook or Twitter), but such is permitted. More troubling was efforts in 2021 to shut down a competitor. That looked like action to preserve a monopoly.
 
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While I agree that people should be nice. The right aren't the only ones not being nice. I've seen thise in the left be as mean and derogatory as any on the right. Yet I didn't see Apple wanting to be a safe space for them.

And to be fair just saying something about transgender is considered hate speech and unsafe. Just asking the question what's a woman is considered hate speech and makes people feel unsafe. So pardon me if I'm not on board with the whole Apple wanting a safe space deal. What they want is a woke space where differencing views are not tolerated. Which by the way is their right as a private business I guess. But they are not a social commenting site which I think is a bit different.

And it's Tik Toks responsibility as a social media site not to shut down free speech. When you offer yourself as an engagement place as they are they have a greater responsibility. They shouldn't be doing what they've done. Musk is bringing back free speech.

And it's Apples right now to advertise with them if they don't want to. Good riddance to any woke company who does not support free speech on places like Tik Tok.
 
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While I agree that people should be nice. The right aren't the only ones not being nice. I've seen thise in the left be as mean and derogatory as any on the right. Yet I didn't see Apple wanting to be a safe space for them.
I'd be keen to know what the "left" are saying that is mean and derogatory.
Are the left attacking minorities?
I do understand that the religious right feel that their religious freedom is underattack, but mostly to me it seems that the religious right are only being challenged on their claim of freedom to discriminate, or their freedom to force Christianity onto others.

And to be fair just saying something about transgender is considered hate speech and unsafe. Just asking the question what's a woman is considered hate speech and makes people feel unsafe.
Typically when a person asks the question "what is a woman" they are seeking to deny some people requesting to be referred to by certain pronouns. The world at large recognised that many trans people are depressed and the world at large are seeking to help those people feel more comfortable in society.
And it's Tik Toks responsibility as a social media site not to shut down free speech.
No it's not.
Only government agencies have an obligation to support free speech.

When you offer yourself as an engagement place as they are they have a greater responsibility. They shouldn't be doing what they've done. Musk is bringing back free speech.
Who knows what he is doing. At the moment it looks like Twitter is going to go under, but who knows. It's his business, he can do with it what he wants.
 
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I forgot who I was talking to here. A staunch member of the anti-Christian lobby. Those nasty Christian people certainly don't deserve any consideration whatsoever.
 
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Oh, I always thought they were just pointing out the absurdity of the entire idea that no one can tell us what a woman is anymore.

Yes they are depressed. That's why forever it was considered a mental illness. Depression is a mental illness
It's not the body that's the problem it's the brain.
 
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regardless, it doesn't hurt to be nice to people. Rather than challenge them, just smile and be nice. Not hard is it?
 
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I think Apple is bluffing. Twitter has a huge user base....they don't want to lose that money. People would jump to Samsung.

You have to wonder though, why would they care at all?

Twitter is a private company. They can do as they please....can't they? Where is this pressure coming from?
 
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I assume that the safety referred to here is transactional. You don't pay money for a broken app....for example.

Or perhaps a pornographic database isn't disguised as a kid's game.


I'm curious what SCOTUS judge said that and when.



Wow....against bullying?

I remember a girl making a joke on Twitter years ago, then she got on a flight.

By the time she got off she was fired.

A viral campaign to get her fired from work had succeeded before she left the plane.

How is that not bullying?



Such as?


And that many on the Right just love this "trolling the left" stuff and find the typical political discussions/debates boring. And hence culture war topics rather than political policy discussions.

Name a political issue you believe the left wants to debate in good faith.
 
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I assume that the safety referred to here is transactional. You don't pay money for a broken app....for example.
Bad assumption. If you read what they say, you will know better
I'm curious what SCOTUS judge said that and when.
Its beside the point. Totally irrelevant.
Just watch Tucker Carlson, it's full of "click bait" material. Or listen to Trump speak, full of "click bait"
Name a political issue you believe the left wants to debate in good faith.
Gun control, border control, immigration policy, unions, health care, funding for infrastructure, trade, international relations, anti discrimination policies, equality, domestic terrorism, Student loans, inflation, lots of topics which can be discussed in good faith by both sides.
 
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