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Does moderation have to go further than the law? How about if it’s legal under US law, we allow it?
How about the owner of the platform gets to decide as long as what they are doing conforms to the law. Given there is a separation between public and private enterprise. Otherwise you may as well have a communist system where the government tells everyone how to run their business.Does moderation have to go further than the law? How about if it’s legal under US law, we allow it?
Yep, legal moderation is legal.Does moderation have to go further than the law? How about if it’s legal under US law, we allow it?
DeSantis says Congress should act if Apple follows through on Elon Musk claims and bans Twitter from App Store
Small government! Laissez Faire Capitalism!
"Good talk" in the sense that it's sounds good politically. Yes, I do think it would be an abuse of power. During the debates over whether the US should have Federally controlled national bank, the argument was that such was permitted due to the General Welfare clause of the US Constitution. But someone - I can't remember who - argued that the power (for congress) to do all that is deemed good was also the power to do all that is deemed evil. There are restrictions on government for a reason.You seem to agree that such a thing would be an unfair abuse of power. That means it is not "good talk". It is bad enough to rile up your base with empty promises of good things; how much worse to rile them up over empty promises of wicked things.
What, though, is legal moderation? In the US, private entities are not bound by constitutional protections of speech. I don't like bias that's shown on social media (which is why I'm not on Facebook or Twitter), but such is permitted. More troubling was efforts in 2021 to shut down a competitor. That looked like action to preserve a monopoly.Yep, legal moderation is legal.
Apple have all sorts of rules that app providers need to meet to be on their store.
And often these rules go beyond the law.
The guiding principle of the App Store is simple—we want to provide a safe experience for users to get apps and a great opportunity for all developers to be successful. We do this by offering a highly curated App Store where every app is reviewed by experts and an editorial team helps users discover new apps every day. For everything else there is always the open Internet. If the App Store model and guidelines are not best for your app or business idea that’s okay, we provide Safari for a great web experience too.App Review Guidelines - Apple Developer
The App Review Guidelines provide guidance and examples across a range of development topics, including user interface design, functionality, content, and the use of specific technologies. These guidelines are designed to help you prepare your apps for the approval process.developer.apple.com
So here they are saying that the app store is a safe place but that things that don't meet the app store criteria are also available on the internet and you can use Apple's Safari to get access to that stuff too.
"guidelines arranged into five clear sections: Safety, Performance, Business, Design, and Legal"
Under safety Apple has
- We strongly support all points of view being represented on the App Store, as long as the apps are respectful to users with differing opinions and the quality of the app experience is great. We will reject apps for any content or behavior that we believe is over the line. What line, you ask? Well, as a Supreme Court Justice once said, “I’ll know it when I see it”. And we think that you will also know it when you cross it.
1.1 Objectionable Content
Apps should not include content that is offensive, insensitive, upsetting, intended to disgust, in exceptionally poor taste, or just plain creepy.
This next one is probably most applicable to Twitter's current problems
1.2 User-Generated Content
Apps with user-generated content present particular challenges, ranging from intellectual property infringement to anonymous bullying. To prevent abuse, apps with user-generated content or social networking services must include:
Apps with user-generated content or services that end up being used primarily for pornographic content, Chatroulette-style experiences, objectification of real people (e.g. “hot-or-not” voting), making physical threats, or bullying do not belong on the App Store and may be removed without notice.
- A method for filtering objectionable material from being posted to the app
- A mechanism to report offensive content and timely responses to concerns
- The ability to block abusive users from the service
- Published contact information so users can easily reach you
So it seems to me that they are trying to create a safe area, where people that want to be safe can go.
I do understand that there are many people on the USA political Right who have a perception that the Tech world is against them and that their political right voice is being censured.
But my view is that the political right voice doesn't have to be offensive insensitive upsetting, intended to disgust, in exceptionally poor taste, or just plain creepy. I'm sure if the the voice of the right is tailored in a way that fits with these boundaries then there will be no problems publishing them. It just seems to me that in USA, with media driven talking points, the right are intentionally trying to grab attention by saying shocking stuff. And that many on the Right just love this "trolling the left" stuff and find the typical political discussions/debates boring. And hence culture war topics rather than political policy discussions.
I'd be keen to know what the "left" are saying that is mean and derogatory.While I agree that people should be nice. The right aren't the only ones not being nice. I've seen thise in the left be as mean and derogatory as any on the right. Yet I didn't see Apple wanting to be a safe space for them.
Typically when a person asks the question "what is a woman" they are seeking to deny some people requesting to be referred to by certain pronouns. The world at large recognised that many trans people are depressed and the world at large are seeking to help those people feel more comfortable in society.And to be fair just saying something about transgender is considered hate speech and unsafe. Just asking the question what's a woman is considered hate speech and makes people feel unsafe.
No it's not.And it's Tik Toks responsibility as a social media site not to shut down free speech.
Who knows what he is doing. At the moment it looks like Twitter is going to go under, but who knows. It's his business, he can do with it what he wants.When you offer yourself as an engagement place as they are they have a greater responsibility. They shouldn't be doing what they've done. Musk is bringing back free speech.
I'd be keen to know what the "left" are saying that is mean and derogatory.
Are the left attacking minorities?
I do understand that the religious right feel that their religious freedom is underattack, but mostly to me it seems that the religious right are only being challenged on their claim of freedom to discriminate, or their freedom to force Christianity onto others
Typically when a person asks the question "what is a woman" they are seeking to deny some people requesting to be referred to by certain pronouns. The world at large recognised that many trans people are depressed and the world at large are seeking to help those people feel more comfortable in society.
Who knows what he is doing. At the moment it looks like Twitter is going to go under, but who knows. It's his business, he can do with it what he wants.
regardless, it doesn't hurt to be nice to people. Rather than challenge them, just smile and be nice. Not hard is it?Oh, I always thought they were just pointing out the absurdity of the entire idea that no one can tell us what a woman is anymore.
Yes they are depressed. That's why forever it was considered a mental illness. Depression is a mental illness
It's not the body that's the problem it's the brain.
Elon Musk accused Apple of threatening to block Twitter from its app store without saying why in a series of tweets on Monday that also said the iPhone maker had stopped advertising on the social media platform.
The billionaire CEO of Twitter and Tesla said Apple was pressuring Twitter over content moderation demands.
Elon Musk prepared to ‘go to war’ with Apple over moderation demands
The billionaire CEO of Twitter and Tesla said Apple was pressuring Twitter over content moderation demands.nypost.com
regardless, it doesn't hurt to be nice to people. Rather than challenge them, just smile and be nice. Not hard is it?
Does moderation have to go further than the law? How about if it’s legal under US law, we allow it?
I assume that the safety referred to here is transactional. You don't pay money for a broken app....for example.Apple have all sorts of rules that app providers need to meet to be on their store.
And often these rules go beyond the law.
The guiding principle of the App Store is simple—we want to provide a safe experience for users to get apps and a great opportunity for all developers to be successful. We do this by offering a highly curated App Store where every app is reviewed by experts and an editorial team helps users discover new apps every day. For everything else there is always the open Internet. If the App Store model and guidelines are not best for your app or business idea that’s okay, we provide Safari for a great web experience too.App Review Guidelines - Apple Developer
The App Review Guidelines provide guidance and examples across a range of development topics, including user interface design, functionality, content, and the use of specific technologies. These guidelines are designed to help you prepare your apps for the approval process.developer.apple.com
So here they are saying that the app store is a safe place but that things that don't meet the app store criteria are also available on the internet and you can use Apple's Safari to get access to that stuff too.
I'm curious what SCOTUS judge said that and when."guidelines arranged into five clear sections: Safety, Performance, Business, Design, and Legal"
- We strongly support all points of view being represented on the App Store, as long as the apps are respectful to users with differing opinions and the quality of the app experience is great. We will reject apps for any content or behavior that we believe is over the line. What line, you ask? Well, as a Supreme Court Justice once said, “I’ll know it when I see it”. And we think that you will also know it when you cross it.
Under safety Apple has
1.1 Objectionable Content
Apps should not include content that is offensive, insensitive, upsetting, intended to disgust, in exceptionally poor taste, or just plain creepy.
This next one is probably most applicable to Twitter's current problems
1.2 User-Generated Content
Apps with user-generated content present particular challenges, ranging from intellectual property infringement to anonymous bullying. To prevent abuse, apps with user-generated content or social networking services must include:
Apps with user-generated content or services that end up being used primarily for pornographic content, Chatroulette-style experiences, objectification of real people (e.g. “hot-or-not” voting), making physical threats, or bullying do not belong on the App Store and may be removed without notice.
- A method for filtering objectionable material from being posted to the app
- A mechanism to report offensive content and timely responses to concerns
- The ability to block abusive users from the service
- Published contact information so users can easily reach you
So it seems to me that they are trying to create a safe area, where people that want to be safe can go.
I do understand that there are many people on the USA political Right who have a perception that the Tech world is against them and that their political right voice is being censured.
But my view is that the political right voice doesn't have to be offensive insensitive upsetting, intended to disgust, in exceptionally poor taste, or just plain creepy. I'm sure if the the voice of the right is tailored in a way that fits with these boundaries then there will be no problems publishing them. It just seems to me that in USA, with media driven talking points, the right are intentionally trying to grab attention by saying shocking stuff.
And that many on the Right just love this "trolling the left" stuff and find the typical political discussions/debates boring. And hence culture war topics rather than political policy discussions.
Bad assumption. If you read what they say, you will know betterI assume that the safety referred to here is transactional. You don't pay money for a broken app....for example.
Its beside the point. Totally irrelevant.I'm curious what SCOTUS judge said that and when.
Just watch Tucker Carlson, it's full of "click bait" material. Or listen to Trump speak, full of "click bait"Such as?
Gun control, border control, immigration policy, unions, health care, funding for infrastructure, trade, international relations, anti discrimination policies, equality, domestic terrorism, Student loans, inflation, lots of topics which can be discussed in good faith by both sides.Name a political issue you believe the left wants to debate in good faith.
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