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Elohim being used as a proper name for YHWH.

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Please advise if you can. I am working on learning Hebrew. Honestly, it is not easy.

Here is the problem I’m having when searching for audio versions or in print versions of translations from Hebrew to English.

This may sound strange to you, but I feel sure that the Lord is telling me not to use materials where Elohim is being used as a proper name for YHWH.

I know that Elohim can be a title and it seems OK if it is used as a title. But since Elohim can also be a name for certain entities, even those from the dark side,
I feel that I am being led to stay away from it when it is being used as a proper name for the Lord.

But so far, all of the so-called true names Bibles, that I have been researching do sometimes use the name Elohim as if it is a proper name for the Almighty.

If by any chance you can tell me the name of a Hebrew Bible that does not call YHWH Elohim, please do so.

Thank you.
 

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You can use 'Elohim' to refer to YHWH, but 'Elohim' is not a name, it's a generic term to refer to God/gods/deities/human judges ... basically it's the semitic equivalent of the English phrase 'the powers that be' ..

It's OK to use the word 'Elohim' just in the same way we may use the English word 'God', but both terms are not supposed to be a substitute for His name.

If a man's married he may/call refer his partner as 'wife' but that's not her name .. that would 'Deborah/Anna/etc.' ...

A Hebrew Bible would never substitute the Tetragrammaton with another Hebrew word; that would be altering the original text. If you're looking for a free software program that allows you to use the Hebrew/Greek with English interlinear and KJV/YLT translations, have a look at this:

Interlinear Scripture Analyzer (ISA)
 
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Please advise if you can. I am working on learning Hebrew. Honestly, it is not easy.

Here is the problem I’m having when searching for audio versions or in print versions of translations from Hebrew to English.

This may sound strange to you, but I feel sure that the Lord is telling me not to use materials where Elohim is being used as a proper name for YHWH.

I know that Elohim can be a title and it seems OK if it is used as a title. But since Elohim can also be a name for certain entities, even those from the dark side,
I feel that I am being led to stay away from it when it is being used as a proper name for the Lord.

But so far, all of the so-called true names Bibles, that I have been researching do sometimes use the name Elohim as if it is a proper name for the Almighty.

If by any chance you can tell me the name of a Hebrew Bible that does not call YHWH Elohim, please do so.

Thank you.
I agree with you, even though I know nothing on this, but have heard that Elohim can be used for those on the dark side. If you want a Bible that does not use the term Elohim, the ESV might be just for you. It is not Hebrew, but is translated from the Hebrew (OT), and the Greek (NT).

If you prefer a Bible that is more balanced, the NIV might be for you. My favorites are the ESV, NIV, NRSV-CE and NKJV.
 
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ALEX - I am sorry that I did not write my post better. I am actually looking for a Hebrew Bible that does not say Elohim as a proper name, as I work on learning the Hebrew language.

I finally found what I was searching for actually. A site called rstne.com said that they agree with me about the misuse of the word Elohim. And that further, I could pre-order a Bible from them where that error would no longer be seen.

To be honest, I am not using English versions of the Bible anymore. Except when I sort of have to for research. because they use the words God and Jesus and those names just are not accurate.
 
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You can use 'Elohim' to refer to YHWH, but 'Elohim' is not a name, it's a generic term to refer to God/gods/deities/human judges ... basically it's the semitic equivalent of the English phrase 'the powers that be' ..

It's OK to use the word 'Elohim' just in the same way we may use the English word 'God', but both terms are not supposed to be a substitute for His name.

If a man's married he may/call refer his partner as 'wife' but that's not her name .. that would 'Deborah/Anna/etc.' ...

A Hebrew Bible would never substitute the Tetragrammaton with another Hebrew word; that would be altering the original text. If you're looking for a free software program that allows you to use the Hebrew/Greek with English interlinear and KJV/YLT translations, have a look at this:

Interlinear Scripture Analyzer (ISA)
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ALEX - I am sorry that I did not write my post better. I am actually looking for a Hebrew Bible that does not say Elohim as a proper name, as I work on learning the Hebrew language.

I finally found what I was searching for actually. A site called rstne.com said that they agree with me about the misuse of the word Elohim. And that further, I could pre-order a Bible from them where that error would no longer be seen.

To be honest, I am not using English versions of the Bible anymore. Except when I sort of have to for research. because they use the words God and Jesus and those names just are not accurate.
Glad you found a good Bible. God bless.
 
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P.S. it seems likely that nobody would even wonder about this, but just in case…

I did not want to give the impression that because I no longer use English Bibles, then I am not into the Bible regularly.

On YouTube I have favorited 80 songs which I sing along with regularly, that are Bible based. They do not use God or Jesus, but are the ones that say, Lord or Master or just refer to heaven in general.

Also, I have favorited, from various channels, many books of scriptures which use Hebraic names for diety, but do not not use Elohim as a proper name for the Lord.

Not every Hebrew names friendly book in the Bible has been thus placed on YouTube, but very many of them have been.

I am certainly not saying that those who use the names God and Jesus are not going to get their prayers answered. I used to use them all the time and got countless prayers answered.

(And I have also gotten prayers answered saying Yahushuah and Yahuah.)

But through research, I personally prefer to stick with the Hebrew as much as I can.
 
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P.S. it seems likely that nobody would even wonder about this, but just in case…

I did not want to give the impression that because I no longer use English Bibles, then I am not into the Bible regularly.

On YouTube I have favorited 80 songs which I sing along with regularly, that are Bible based. They do not use God or Jesus, but are the ones that say, Lord or Master or just refer to heaven in general.

Also, I have favorited, from various channels, many books of scriptures which use Hebraic names for diety, but do not not use Elohim as a proper name for the Lord.

Not every Hebrew names friendly book in the Bible has been thus placed on YouTube, but very many of them have been.

I am certainly not saying that those who use the names God and Jesus are not going to get their prayers answered. I used to use them all the time and got countless prayers answered.

(And I have also gotten prayers answered saying Yahushuah and Yahuah.)

But through research, I personally prefer to stick with the Hebrew as much as I can.
Although God's very personal name is of utmost importance, it is possible to pray even without using that name, Yeshua even gives us an example of that in the Lord's Prayer where the opening line just is: 'Our Father who is in heaven ... ' :praying:
 
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Although God's very personal name is of utmost importance, it is possible to pray even without using that name, Yeshua even gives us an example of that in the Lord's Prayer where the opening line just is: 'Our Father who is in heaven ... ' :praying:
Yes, you are right. And for those who are understandably not sure about the pronunciation of YHWH, that is a good reminder.
 
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Please advise if you can. I am working on learning Hebrew. Honestly, it is not easy.

Here is the problem I’m having when searching for audio versions or in print versions of translations from Hebrew to English.

This may sound strange to you, but I feel sure that the Lord is telling me not to use materials where Elohim is being used as a proper name for YHWH.

I know that Elohim can be a title and it seems OK if it is used as a title. But since Elohim can also be a name for certain entities, even those from the dark side,

I feel that I am being led to stay away from it when it is being used as a proper name for the Lord.

But so far, all of the so-called true names Bibles, that I have been researching do sometimes use the name Elohim as if it is a proper name for the Almighty.

If by any chance you can tell me the name of a Hebrew Bible that does not call YHWH Elohim, please do so.

Thank you.

The moment you give God a name you give him limits. This is true for Elohim and this is true for YHWH as it is for any word you can think of be because words and their meanings are finite and with limits where God is infinite and limitless.

YHWH is not Yahweh which is a meaningless Hebrew word. All hebrew words have meaning including names, it's not like modern culture where names are abstract and we just pick them because they sound good. "Name" is also not an abstract identifier that we call out, in Hebrew it is "Shem" and it means the unique character or what they are known for. it's not like Bob or Frank that although have a historical meaning somewhere down the line in modern use is meaningless.

YHWH is the third person singular of Hayah or I AM. Notice I AM is in the first person so God taking to Moses in Ex 3:14 makes sense for God to refer to himself in the first person calling himself I AM WHO I AM. Then in vs 15 God says to Moses "say to the Israelites, ‘YHWH, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you."

YHWH is Yihweh and it mean "He is" Of course Moses wouldn't say to the Israelites "I am the God of your fathers..." Because they would think Moses is referring to himself and calling himself God so he must change the grammar to say "HE IS the God of the your fathers...". This is correct Hebrew albeit a rare form but I believe it is a rare form because of the obsession with YHWH so a general adverstion to using these forms considered perhaps taboo or sacred.

But I AM/HE IS is also not the name of God in an abstract sense, it is a declaration of eternal state that also must include "the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you" which at the end of v15 affirms this saying "This is my name forever, the name you shall call me from generation to generation". What's that name? The big long statement prior to, not an individual word.

But still, it's not just something we call out or some word with innate power. It is the state of God and who he is. If we turn it into a proper name we reduce God to the limits of the name while at the same time elevate the name like an incantation and a word with innate power. The word has no power so let's be clear about that, only God himself (not the language we use to identify him) has power. It's not an issue to refer to God differently provided it is consistent with biblical teaching and has a purpose to give him glory and we should feel a sense of creativity in our worship when we address God. But don't reduce him to a single qualifier, he is so much more.
 
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The moment you give God a name you give him limits. This is true for Elohim and this is true for YHWH as it is for any word you can think of be because words and their meanings are finite and with limits where God is infinite and limitless.

YHWH is not Yahweh which is a meaningless Hebrew word. All hebrew words have meaning including names, it's not like modern culture where names are abstract and we just pick them because they sound good. "Name" is also not an abstract identifier that we call out, in Hebrew it is "Shem" and it means the unique character or what they are known for. it's not like Bob or Frank that although have a historical meaning somewhere down the line in modern use is meaningless.

YHWH is the third person singular of Hayah or I AM. Notice I AM is in the first person so God taking to Moses in Ex 3:14 makes sense for God to refer to himself in the first person calling himself I AM WHO I AM. Then in vs 15 God says to Moses "say to the Israelites, ‘YHWH, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you."

YHWH is Yihweh and it mean "He is" Of course Moses wouldn't say to the Israelites "I am the God of your fathers..." Because they would think Moses is referring to himself and calling himself God so he must change the grammar to say "HE IS the God of the your fathers...". This is correct Hebrew albeit a rare form but I believe it is a rare form because of the obsession with YHWH so a general adverstion to using these forms considered perhaps taboo or sacred.

But I AM/HE IS is also not the name of God in an abstract sense, it is a declaration of eternal state that also must include "the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you" which at the end of v15 affirms this saying "This is my name forever, the name you shall call me from generation to generation". What's that name? The big long statement prior to, not an individual word.

But still, it's not just something we call out or some word with innate power. It is the state of God and who he is. If we turn it into a proper name we reduce God to the limits of the name while at the same time elevate the name like an incantation and a word with innate power. The word has no power so let's be clear about that, only God himself (not the language we use to identify him) has power. It's not an issue to refer to God differently provided it is consistent with biblical teaching and has a purpose to give him glory and we should feel a sense of creativity in our worship when we address God. But don't reduce him to a single qualifier, he is so much more.
What is consistent with biblical teachings is to do what the Almighty told us to do. He gave us the name to use at the burning bush with Moses.

YHWH. That name is used almost 7000 times in the Bible. It was used by prophets, kings, and ordinary people.

At no time are we ever told there is any problem with that name or that it is OK to use other names.
We can use titles. For example Adonai, which is in the Bible.
But those titles are never considered to be his name.

In fact, we are commanded in the 10 Commandments not to bring his name to naught.
When we call him something that he never called himself, and when we ignore the name he actually gave us, we are bringing his name to naught.

You are free to have the last word on this if you want it. I will not respond. To me the matter of YHWH’s name is just too obvious. Why should you see what I say here in my posts if you don’t see what I believe is clearly in the Bible?

I see by your handle that you were apparently a Muslim. Muslims don’t even take the Bible as inerrant. Based on their prophet they believe that the Bible has been corrupted.

But that’s not what the data shows. The dead sea scrolls, which are over 2000 years old, were found in 1947. They contained at least a portion of, and in the case of Isaiah, the entire scroll, all books of the Old Testament.

The scrolls are easily examined online. Examination of the scrolls showed that they were virtually identical to what was in the synagogues and, the churches in modern times. We are also constantly finding more and more archaeological proof for the Bible through things like names, places, and events, it is amazing what has been found.

So through archaeology, also through history, we can be confident that the old Testament has certainly not been changed. If you don’t take all of that seriously, then you will feel free to put your own interpretation on what it says. But I’m not going to do that.
 
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What is consistent with biblical teachings is to do what the Almighty told us to do. He gave us the name to use at the burning bush with Moses.

YHWH. That name is used almost 7000 times in the Bible. It was used by prophets, kings, and ordinary people.

At no time are we ever told there is any problem with that name or that it is OK to use other names.
We can use titles. For example Adonai, which is in the Bible.
But those titles are never considered to be his name.

In fact, we are commanded in the 10 Commandments not to bring his name to naught.
When we call him something that he never called himself, and when we ignore the name he actually gave us, we are bringing his name to naught.

You are free to have the last word on this if you want it. I will not respond. To me the matter of YHWH’s name is just too obvious. Why should you see what I say here in my posts if you don’t see what I believe is clearly in the Bible?

I see by your handle that you were apparently a Muslim. Muslims don’t even take the Bible as inerrant. Based on their prophet they believe that the Bible has been corrupted.

But that’s not what the data shows. The dead sea scrolls, which are over 2000 years old, were found in 1947. They contained at least a portion of, and in the case of Isaiah, the entire scroll, all books of the Old Testament.

The scrolls are easily examined online. Examination of the scrolls showed that they were virtually identical to what was in the synagogues and, the churches in modern times. We are also constantly finding more and more archaeological proof for the Bible through things like names, places, and events, it is amazing what has been found.

So through archaeology, also through history, we can be confident that the old Testament has certainly not been changed. If you don’t take all of that seriously, then you will feel free to put your own interpretation on what it says. But I’m not going to do that.
Ex 3:15 says
God also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ “This is my name forever, the name you shall call me from generation to generation.

So what is his Shem? It is the red portion. What does Shem mean? We translate it as "name" it means character not an abstract identifier.

Ancient Hebrew is a very concrete language every word has a meaning. What does YHWH mean? Most likely from context it is the third person singular of I AM. So it would be HE IS. For Moses to address the Israelites and reference God HE IS would be more appropriate then I AM (and less confusing)

What does it matter? God cannot be contained in a grouping of letters that we argue about its meaning and/or pronouncation. Certainly the declaration God makes and experience at the burning bush are all important and by no means should we just toss it away even down to the words used should be valued. But when we reduced God to a grouping of characters then we've missed the point.

10 commandments says we shouldn't take his name in vein. Is then hiding it in an untranslatable, and unpronounceable word a good steward of this or can it be said those efforts are in vein? Instead we are to unambiguously declare his Shem far and wide as this is his mission for us.

Ps. I'm not a Muslim nor have I ever been one. Isa Almasih means Yeshua Hamashiach so no need for the defences we are on the same side.
 
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Ex 3:15 says
God also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ “This is my name forever, the name you shall call me from generation to generation.

So what is his Shem? It is the red portion. What does Shem mean? We translate it as "name" it means character not an abstract identifier.

Ancient Hebrew is a very concrete language every word has a meaning. What does YHWH mean? Most likely from context it is the third person singular of I AM. So it would be HE IS. For Moses to address the Israelites and reference God HE IS would be more appropriate then I AM (and less confusing)

What does it matter? God cannot be contained in a grouping of letters that we argue about its meaning and/or pronouncation. Certainly the declaration God makes and experience at the burning bush are all important and by no means should we just toss it away even down to the words used should be valued. But when we reduced God to a grouping of characters then we've missed the point.

10 commandments says we shouldn't take his name in vein. Is then hiding it in an untranslatable, and unpronounceable word a good steward of this or can it be said those efforts are in vein? Instead we are to unambiguously declare his Shem far and wide as this is his mission for us.

Ps. I'm not a Muslim nor have I ever been one. Isa Almasih means Yeshua Hamashiach so no need for the defences we are on the same side.
As I said above, if you don’t see what I already presented, you won’t agree with me on anything else. Bye!
 
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