Ellen White [Question]

[jonfan]

How does a SDA reconcile this?


The pope has changed the day of rest from the seventh to the first day. He has thought to change the very commandment that was given to cause man to remember his Creator. He has thought to change the greatest commandment in the decalogue and thus make himself equal with God, or even exalt himself above God (Early Writings, p. 65). Ellen White

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"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments (Mt. 22:36-40).

 

[tall73]

How does a SDA reconcile this?


The pope has changed the day of rest from the seventh to the first day. He has thought to change the very commandment that was given to cause man to remember his Creator. He has thought to change the greatest commandment in the decalogue and thus make himself equal with God, or even exalt himself above God (Early Writings, p. 65). Ellen White

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"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments (Mt. 22:36-40).

Whatever one may think of the actual comment itself, it is not a conflict with Jesus' statement. The key phrase is IN THE DECALOGUE.

 

[salt_of_the_earth]

Whatever one may think of the actual comment itself, it is not a conflict with Jesus' statement. The key phrase is IN THE DECALOGUE.

I don't understand quite what your trying to saying to say. can u repeat it?

 

[daveleau]

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[tall73]

I don't understand quite what your trying to saying to say. can u repeat it?

Yes, the decalogue is a word for the 10 commandments. One can debate whether the 4th commandment is the greatest of the 10, but the point is that the greatest commandment given by Jesus is not in the 10 commandments, but is a quote from the OT nonetheless. It is a summary statement, along with love for your neighbor, of the whole law.

for instance if...

a. someone states that pizza is the best food ever.

b. The same person says that Kung Pao chicken is the best chinese dish around

the statements are not in conflict though they both use the word best. One is the best in a CATEGORY. The other is the best overall.

 

[smooze]

Follow HIs voice He is the BEST advice AMEN .

 

[Tavita]

Yes, the decalogue is a word for the 10 commandments. One can debate whether the 4th commandment is the greatest of the 10, but the point is that the greatest commandment given by Jesus is not in the 10 commandments, but is a quote from the OT nonetheless. It is a summary statement, along with love for your neighbor, of the whole law.

for instance if...

a. someone states that pizza is the best food ever.

b. The same person says that Kung Pao chicken is the best chinese dish around

the statements are not in conflict though they both use the word best. One is the best in a CATEGORY. The other is the best overall.

Well, I'm absolutely flabbergasted!! All these years I've assumed that what Jesus quoted, "Jesus replied: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.', is the first commandment of the decalogue! Now I'm amazed at how our minds can deceive us. It's also given me more understanding of other teachings. Thank you so much for starting this thread, jonfan.

 

[Sophia7]

Well, I'm absolutely flabbergasted!! All these years I've assumed that what Jesus quoted, "Jesus replied: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.', is the first commandment of the decalogue! Now I'm amazed at how our minds can deceive us. It's also given me more understanding of other teachings. Thank you so much for starting this thread, jonfan.

What Jesus quoted about the greatest commandments was actually from two places in the OT-- in Deuteronomy (after the listing of the Decalogue) and Leviticus.

Deuteronomy 6:4-5
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength."

Leviticus 19:18
"Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD."

These principles were the foundation of the whole Law, not just the Ten Commandments. That's why Jesus said that all of the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments. Jesus' statements were not a new revelation; He didn't make them up in answer to the experts in the law who were testing Him. They came from the Torah itself. God's original intention was always for these principles to be written on people's hearts. The Decalogue includes more specific applications of these principles of God's Law.

 

[Tavita]

What Jesus quoted about the greatest commandments was actually from two places in the OT-- in Deuteronomy (after the listing of the Decalogue) and Leviticus.

Deuteronomy 6:4-5
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength."

Leviticus 19:18
"Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD."

These principles were the foundation of the whole Law, not just the Ten Commandments. That's why Jesus said that all of the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments. Jesus' statements were not a new revelation; He didn't make them up in answer to the experts in the law who were testing Him. They came from the Torah itself. God's original intention was always for these principles to be written on people's hearts. The Decalogue includes more specific applications of these principles of God's Law.

Hi Sophia,

You very much confirmed what God showed me after I had this little 'revelation'. I am learning so much from you guys about the Law.

Thank you...

 

[jonfan]

Yes, the decalogue is a word for the 10 commandments. One can debate whether the 4th commandment is the greatest of the 10, but the point is that the greatest commandment given by Jesus is not in the 10 commandments, but is a quote from the OT nonetheless. It is a summary statement, along with love for your neighbor, of the whole law.

for instance if...

a. someone states that pizza is the best food ever.

b. The same person says that Kung Pao chicken is the best chinese dish around

the statements are not in conflict though they both use the word best. One is the best in a CATEGORY. The other is the best overall.

hmmmmmmm.......I don't know. That seems kind of strange to me. Jesus isn't kung pao chicken. He is God. He is the new covenant. So to me if Jesus is God and he states that the greatest commandment is "Love the Lord your God and LOve your neighbor" I am going to have to go with the New Covenant on the risen Sunday.
Thank you for your time and answers.
God Bless,
Jon
God Bless,
Jon

 

[Tavita]

hmmmmmmm.......I don't know. That seems kind of strange to me. Jesus isn't kung pao chicken. He is God. He is the new covenant. So to me if Jesus is God and he states that the greatest commandment is "Love the Lord your God and LOve your neighbor" I am going to have to go with the New Covenant on the risen Sunday.
Thank you for your time and answers.
God Bless,
Jon
God Bless,
Jon

Yes, Jesus said that was the greatest commandment and another one was like it...

(Mat 22:39) And a second like unto it is this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

He also said...

(Mat 22:40) On these two commandments the whole law hangeth, and the prophets.


He also didn't say there were no other commandments.

 

[chevelledc788]

As Paul says in Romans the law can be summed up in love but what this means is if we truly love God we would obey his commandments. How much sense does it make to say "I truly love you God and that's why I am not obeying your commandment." I'm not sure what logic others may find in this but as for me...there is none.

Now I am not anti-catholic, nor do I wish to offend, but personally, i think for ANYONE, including the Pope, to claim equality with God is nothing short of blasphemy.