Ellen White on the Sabbath

[bugkiller]

Just as well as you do meant that I am no better than you. For I am a sinner saved only by the grace of God as is all who come to Him.
You would have also seen Romans 7 :
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
That includes the Sabbath. Why should we neglect that which is Holy, Just and Good? Is not holiness of God?

So tell me would a Christian sin by committing adultery? Is Paul talking merely about physical adultery in the first part of the chapter? Is there such a thing as spiritual adultery? How did Israel commit adultery with God? Can one be married or espoused to Jesus while married to the law? Is this not only adultery but also necrophilia also forbidden by the law? How disgusting!

bugkiller

 

[MoreCoffee]

So He was not serious when He placed it with the other nine that you fine necessary to keep? Why what a big mistake He made.

God was serious about Israel honouring the law. You keep confusing the new covenant with the old covenant. That's the problem with SDAism.

 

[bugkiller]

So He was not serious when He placed it with the other nine that you fine necessary to keep? Why what a big mistake He made.

Was God serious when He said the sabbath would cease? It sure seems to say the 10 Cs would no longer be enforce, at least to me. No I did not say one can commit murder and not be sinning. I did not grant license to sin nor command it as often presented by the pro law camp.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

And you and I would be correct in both cases.

So is MoreCoffe's statement a command to sin?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Well no, we would not be correct, we would have played a little game to make something we wanted to emphasise into something that God is supposed to have given emphasis to when he didn't. It is a game that folk play when they want to big note their doctrine. It isn't honest.

It is deceit by manipulation.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

It certainly is not honest and was the game that was played by the Pharisees who went to extreme lengths to observe miniscule aspects of the Law while failing in the basic, primary commands. It might be argued that Sabbath-keeping is a primary command because it is among the ten. However, if it were I think Jesus might have reiterated it at least once for us. After all, He did reiterate the others several times.

I am content for the present to try to love my neighbor as myself and to love God with all my heart, soul, and mind.

It is the very same tactic satan used on Eve in the Garden.

bugkiller

 

[Elder 111]

God also knew men would reject Jesus and the NC for the law.

bugkiller

So it is Jesus or the law? Never saw that stated in the bible.

 

[Elder 111]

God was serious about Israel honouring the law. You keep confusing the new covenant with the old covenant. That's the problem with SDAism.

Salvation is of the Jews. John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
The same ten commandments rules that applied of old are required now, Jesus has come and have put away the temple ministry with it sacrifices, not the Sabbath nor the other nine.
How we get the Sabbath out of the 10 when God put them as one package?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Originally Posted by bugkiller
God also knew men would reject Jesus and the NC for the law.

bugkiller

So it is Jesus or the law? Never saw that stated in the bible.

You haven't?

O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? (Galatians 3:1-5)​

 

[Elder 111]

Was God serious when He said the sabbath would cease? It sure seems to say the 10 Cs would no longer be enforce, at least to me. No I did not say one can commit murder and not be sinning. I did not grant license to sin nor command it as often presented by the pro law camp.

bugkiller

Then your arguement do not make sense nor comply with biblical doctrine.
It is absolutely illogical.

 

[Elder 111]

So tell me would a Christian sin by committing adultery? Is Paul talking merely about physical adultery in the first part of the chapter? Is there such a thing as spiritual adultery? How did Israel commit adultery with God? Can one be married or espoused to Jesus while married to the law? Is this not only adultery but also necrophilia also forbidden by the law? How disgusting!

bugkiller

Is God's holy commandments the enemy? I always though it was satan and unrighteousness. Does right doing separate we from Jesus?

 

[Elder 111]

So is MoreCoffe's statement a command to sin?

bugkiller

We were both speaking on aspects of the 10 commandments. There is no command to sin there.

 

[Elder 111]

You haven't?

O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? (Galatians 3:1-5)​

What law? Not the 10 commandments!

 

[MoreCoffee]

What law? Not the 10 commandments!

Yes, the ten commandments and all the rest of the torah too.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Salvation is of the Jews. John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
The same ten commandments rules that applied of old are required now, Jesus has come and have put away the temple ministry with it sacrifices, not the Sabbath nor the other nine.

How we get the Sabbath out of the 10 when God put them as one package?

There is no need to extract the third commandment from the other nine because it is the whole law that has grown old and passed away - all ten of the ten along with the rest of the Torah have passed away.

 

[bugkiller]

Is God's holy commandments the enemy? I always though it was satan and unrighteousness. Does right doing separate we from Jesus?

No and neither does it provide the rghteousness required for salvation. Jesus siad you will enter thru Him or not get in. This excludes the law. The law has nothing to do with salvation. The law only brings condemnation and death. The law is called the ministration of death.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Is God's holy commandments the enemy? I always though it was satan and unrighteousness. Does right doing separate we from Jesus?

I took this excerpt from post 951 -

Hope that persons do not think that I am against them or just oppose them. I am very concern that our salvation are in danger because God's commandment is willfully disobeyed and I know that no one would expect to see God's face while willfully disobeying Him.

Would you care to explain what you mean? I think you mean that we are in willing sin and do not have salvation.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

What law? Not the 10 commandments!

What is meant here? Are the 10 Cs also the law? Rom 7, James 2.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

So it is Jesus or the law? Never saw that stated in the bible.

In the sense I percieve the question - No!

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Salvation is of the Jews. John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
The same ten commandments rules that applied of old are required now, Jesus has come and have put away the temple ministry with it sacrifices, not the Sabbath nor the other nine.
How we get the Sabbath out of the 10 when God put them as one package?

Please explain how we can be delivered from the law and obligated to the law at the same time. It seems to me such a poition would be disbelieving the Scripture. Disbelieving is a sin. Lack of faith is not against the law according to the Book of the Law.

bugkiller