Ellen White on the Sabbath

[MoreCoffee]

As I have said God requires the 7th day if we decide that we will give Him the first then we usurp God authority.
Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Time- zĕman (Aramaic)a set time, time, season. The Sabbath a set time by God, A time- day. A season of worship and rest.
Law-
1) decree, law
a) a decree (of the king)
b) law
c) law (of God) The Sabbath law. The only one of the ten that we deny.
The Sabbath is the only command in which we can find time and law combine, and it would appear that that is what is referred to in this text. There will be an attempt to remove God's holy Sabbath.

Where does any of that forbid resting on Sunday?

 

[TruthWave7]

Yes, though we rest in union within him rather than merely as companions resting with him. We are united to Christ in Christ's great rest (sabbath). So we need no 7th day to point to a rest we have already entered in principle and shall enter fully at his return and our resurrection.

This is what I call "overly spiritualizing" God's Holy Law to make it of non-effect. What God wrote in no uncertain terms is so clear that even a 12 year old child can understand it, and yet those who are adults cannot understand and obey it!

 

[MoreCoffee]

This what I call "overly spiritualizing" God's Holy Law to make it of non-effect. What God wrote in no uncertain terms is so clear that even a 12 year old child can understand it, and yet those who are adults cannot understand and obey it!

Being in Christ is explained somewhat in Romans 6:1-11 in the passages that speak of Christians as the body of Christ. I am sure that the link between Christ's works and ours is obvious to all who are familiar with those passages. And, of course, Catholics believe in theosis along with all the ancient churches.

 

[TruthWave7]

Being in Christ is explained somewhat in Romans 6:1-11 in the passages that speak of Christians as the body of Christ. I am sure that the link between Christ's works and ours is obvious to all who are familiar with those passages. And, of course, Catholics believe in theosis along with all the ancient churches.

Paul is quoted over and over again as doing away with the Law of God. Paul is not God. Paul did not write the 10 Commandments in stone, God did. Therefore, God is the only One who can do away with the 10 Commandments. Even Rome says the Law of God is still binding on all Christians, so why then do you have a problem with keeping the 7th day holy?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Paul is quoted over and over again as doing away with the Law of God. Paul is not God. Paul did not write the 10 Commandments in stone, God did. Therefore, God is the only One who can do away with the 10 Commandments. Even Rome says the Law of God is still binding on all Christians, so why then do you have a problem with keeping the 7th day holy?

We refer to Paul because he is alleged to be the author of several letters in the new testament yet it is inspired scripture so the author is God. Your line of reasoning is faulty because you want to dissociate the letters from God. You are also mistaken about what the Catholic Church teaches regarding the third commandment.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Only the Sabbath? You mean that you and I have been successful in keeping the other nine? Or have we all failed to keep all 10? If so what is the difference if I fall short in keeping the Sabbath as well as the others?
That is what Christ and forgivenesss is for.

Here is what you posted:

1. Yes the promise is everlasting life to the faithful in Christ but everlasting death to the unfaithful. The former does not negate the latter. But then again that might be what most christains believe, for when you attend funerals today all you hear is that he or she is in heaven regardless of what life they lived.
2. Jesus states that all that sin, that is violate the ten commandments will suffer eternal death. The Sabbath is part of the ten commandments.
3. No one is saved by Sabbath keeping, just like they are not saved by honoring their parents or by not saved by not stealing or just because they do lie. They are certainly not save by going to church on Sunday either.
4. Since one is not saved by not stealing one should steal, or since one is not saved by not telling lies one should lie. It's a ridiculous agruement when applies to the Sabbath just as when applied to the other commandments.

You firmly believe that the promise is everlasting life to the faithful in Christ but everlasting death to the unfaithful. If you are unfaithful concerning the Sabbath, or any other law or ordinace of God, for that matter, you expect everlasting death. Is this not so? You "salvation" is predicated upon your faithfulness. Mine, however, is predicated upon God's faithfulness and His promises made to those who believe.

The reality is that you stand self-condemned because you lack the faithfulness to keep any and all of the ten commandments to God's standard of perfection.

 

[bbbbbbb]

I have used these very verses often only to be ignored.

bugkiller

I know. I keep hoping the sharp sword of the Spirit will pierce the darkness.

 

[Elder 111]

Here is what you posted:

1. Yes the promise is everlasting life to the faithful in Christ but everlasting death to the unfaithful. The former does not negate the latter. But then again that might be what most christains believe, for when you attend funerals today all you hear is that he or she is in heaven regardless of what life they lived.
2. Jesus states that all that sin, that is violate the ten commandments will suffer eternal death. The Sabbath is part of the ten commandments.
3. No one is saved by Sabbath keeping, just like they are not saved by honoring their parents or by not saved by not stealing or just because they do lie. They are certainly not save by going to church on Sunday either.
4. Since one is not saved by not stealing one should steal, or since one is not saved by not telling lies one should lie. It's a ridiculous agruement when applies to the Sabbath just as when applied to the other commandments.

You firmly believe that the promise is everlasting life to the faithful in Christ but everlasting death to the unfaithful. If you are unfaithful concerning the Sabbath, or any other law or ordinace of God, for that matter, you expect everlasting death. Is this not so? You "salvation" is predicated upon your faithfulness. Mine, however, is predicated upon God's faithfulness and His promises made to those who believe.

The reality is that you stand self-condemned because you lack the faithfulness to keep any and all of the ten commandments to God's standard of perfection.

I stand in the salvation that Christ have provided and in the strength He gives to live according to His will, which include keeping the 10 commandments.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I stand in the salvation that Christ have provided and in the strength He gives to live according to His will, which include keeping the 10 commandments.

I reckon SDAs worry way more about the 7th day than they worry about just about anything else.

 

[Elder 111]

Originally Posted by Elder 111
As I have said God requires the 7th day if we decide that we will give Him the first then we usurp God authority.
Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Time- zĕman (Aramaic)a set time, time, season. The Sabbath a set time by God, A time- day. A season of worship and rest.
Law-
1) decree, law
a) a decree (of the king)
b) law
c) law (of God) The Sabbath law. The only one of the ten that we deny.
The Sabbath is the only command in which we can find time and law combine, and it would appear that that is what is referred to in this text. There will be an attempt to remove God's holy Sabbath.

Where does any of that forbid resting on Sunday?

If you do not see, you have nothing to worry about. I am reminded of Cain, bring what he fell like to God and then vex because God refused his offering.
If saying to God I give you what I would and not what you require is not a problem for you than it can not be for God.

 

[Elder 111]

I reckon SDAs worry way more about the 7th day than they worry about just about anything else.

No. It seems so because that is the only command that offend others or that they object to. All the others are OK.

 

[bbbbbbb]

I stand in the salvation that Christ have provided and in the strength He gives to live according to His will, which include keeping the 10 commandments.

Overall, how well do you think you are at keeping the 10 commandments?

 

[mmksparbud]

Romans 7:22-25 "For I delight in the law of God, after the inward man: but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man, that I am! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God, through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God: but with the flesh the law of sin."

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Elder 111 I stand in the salvation that Christ have provided and in the strength He gives to live according to His will, which include keeping the 10 commandments.

Overall, how well do you think you are at keeping the 10 commandments?

Apparently he keeps them pretty well.
Good question tho.


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[Elder 111]

Overall, how well do you think you are at keeping the 10 commandments?

Just as well as you.

 

[bugkiller]

No. It seems so because that is the only command that offend others or that they object to. All the others are OK.

Are you defending the SDA position? If not why are you responding as you did? Just more than plain curious.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Romans 7:22-25 "For I delight in the law of God, after the inward man: but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man, that I am! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God, through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God: but with the flesh the law of sin."

Now what are you trying to say with the above verse? Please do not reply with something like isn't that obvious?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Apparently he keeps them pretty well.
Good question tho.


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So what is the requirement of the law? Is there a penalty for disobedience?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Just as well as you.

What does that mean? Who is pushing the law? Is bbbbbbb? If not what would it matter if he kept the law?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

This is what I call "overly spiritualizing" God's Holy Law to make it of non-effect. What God wrote in no uncertain terms is so clear that even a 12 year old child can understand it, and yet those who are adults cannot understand and obey it!

Should we disregard the NC?

bugkiller