Ellen White on the Sabbath

[mmksparbud]

Not sure I ever met a Jesuit, but now that you bring 'em up

http://www.christianforums.com/t7684280/#post61716749
Why are SDA so paraoid of Jesuits?

Actually, all that I know of the Jesuits came from the movies--like the 3 Musketeers, and other such kind of movies--in the movies they are always the dark, sinister ones, that go around sneaking up on people trying to do them in so that Cardinal someone or other can get more power.Like the Queen Elizabeth movies, Jesuits are always plotting to do her in. I don't remember EGW saying anything about them--I'll have to look. Someone told me that Father Capori (not sure I got that spelled right)was a Jesuit--but they're Lutheran. I watched his shows a few times, but my favorite Catholic was Bishop Sheen--except for Mother Teresa.--Anyway--you need to talk to Hollywood and get them to clean up the Jesuit image.

 

[Elder 111]

Nothing like a bit of God-will-biff-you-for-disagreeing-wiff-me-mate!!! to gee up one's spirits after losing the debate.

Loosing what debate? I am discussing the word of God. This to me is not about winning or loosing a debate but seeking the truth and living thereby.
I will not leave my eternal salvation to a debate for that would be decided by our own wit and wisdom and not on God's will and word.
God will destroy those of us who will not do His will as revealed in His word. He said and I believe it. All sinners will be destroyed, and sin is a violation of His 10 commandments, if you have other information from God's word let me know.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Loosing what debate? I am discussing the word of God. This to me is not about winning or loosing a debate but seeking the truth and living thereby.

You're not discussing! How is it discussing when you turn around and write stuff like this:

"It does [the Law that required killing people for all sorts of disobedience, for example sabbath breaking], and Jesus will carry it at His second coming"?​

 

[mmksparbud]

Nothing like a bit of God-will-biff-you-for-disagreeing-wiff-me-mate!!! to gee up one's spirits after losing the debate.

I remember that as being "my daddy can beat your daddy."---Come to think of it, my dad could beat up anyone's dad, he was lethal with a whip and machete--nobody got him mad, and those who did---well----there's at least 2 that God is going to have a very long talk with him about. God has no statutes of limitations on murder either.
I prefered to use "my brother can beat up your brother"--2 were 6'4" and 6'5" and the oldest was only 5'10" (the shrimp of the family, but definately the prettiest)--and he lifted weights from the age of 12 and looked like a Mr. Universe, so I always felt pretty safe hiding behind them.

S000----did you loose the debate,. then?? I've been gone. I didn't know this was a compatition. I thought we were trying to understand the word of God more fully, and understanding each other more fully. But I do have a tendency to be a little nieve at times.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I remember that as being "my daddy can beat your daddy."---Come to think of it, my dad could beat up anyone's dad, he was lethal with a whip and machete--nobody got him mad, and those who did---well----there's at least 2 that God is going to have a very long talk with him about. God has no statutes of limitations on murder either.
I prefered to use "my brother can beat up your brother"--2 were 6'4" and 6'5" and the oldest was only 5'10" (the shrimp of the family, but definately the prettiest)--and he lifted weights from the age of 12 and looked like a Mr. Universe, so I always felt pretty safe hiding behind them.

S000----did you loose the debate,. then?? I've been gone. I didn't know this was a compatition. I thought we were trying to understand the word of God more fully, and understanding each other more fully. But I do have a tendency to be a little nieve at times.

It's always a competition with some folk.

But no, I didn't lose.

Cheers

 

[bugkiller]

Not sure I ever met a Jesuit, but now that you bring 'em up

http://www.christianforums.com/t7684280/#post61716749
Why are SDA so paraoid of Jesuits?

Eh they gots ta tear someone down. They thinks it makes em luved. Why would someone think fer a NYC split second peopel wuold change groups jus ta tear someone down? Just tain't appealin ta muh.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Loosing what debate? I am discussing the word of God. This to me is not about winning or loosing a debate but seeking the truth and living thereby.
I will not leave my eternal salvation to a debate for that would be decided by our own wit and wisdom and not on God's will and word.
God will destroy those of us who will not do His will as revealed in His word. He said and I believe it. All sinners will be destroyed, and sin is a violation of His 10 commandments, if you have other information from God's word let me know.

You seriously need to make up your mind aboud the destroying thing. But never mind it makes the discussion more fun.

bugkiller

 

[MoreCoffee]

Sometimes I wonder, did it really happen this way ...

Ten Commandments - A Parody - YouTube

 

[Elder 111]

You're not discussing! How is it discussing when you turn around and write stuff like this:

"It does [the Law that required killing people for all sorts of disobedience, for example sabbath breaking], and Jesus will carry it at His second coming"?​

Is that not what the word of God says?

 

[pshun2404]

No!

Paul

 

[Elder 111]

No!

Paul

Oh! Will he not destroy all sinners at His coming?

 

[pshun2404]

Oh! Will he not destroy all sinners at His coming?

Only those who are not "in Him" that have not had their sins paid for by His blood. Your question included a qualifier that you added..."the Law that required killing people for all sorts of disobedience, for example sabbath breaking" but I assume by this you mean Sabbath breaking according to modern day Sabbaterians and not according to the law. I could be incorrect!

It is just that modern day Sabbaterians do not actually obey the Torah (Law) of the Sabbath as God prescribed. So if what you are extrapolating here is true, then this would mean that when He returns He will destroy all of them. Is this what you meant (though I do not agree, so long as they are saved by grace through faith)?

Plus the word does not say He will destroy "all" sinners, just the Anti-Christ and all who are gathered with him in the Valley of Meggido...in fact the word talks about sinners (people who do not or will not worship Him) still being alive, who will receive no rain...!

Paul

 

[MoreCoffee]

Is that not what the word of God says?

No, the promise of God to the faithful in Christ is everlasting life and a part in the first resurrection. Sabbath keeping is not prerequisite for the promises of God, do you not agree? A man or a woman is not saved by sabbath keeping are they? And since one is not saved by sabbath keeping do you not agree that one is not lost by failing to keep sabbath?

 

[Elder 111]

No, the promise of God to the faithful in Christ is everlasting life and a part in the first resurrection. Sabbath keeping is not prerequisite for the promises of God, do you not agree? A man or a woman is not saved by sabbath keeping are they? And since one is not saved by sabbath keeping do you not agree that one is not lost by failing to keep sabbath?

1. Yes the promise is everlasting life to the faithful in Christ but everlasting death to the unfaithful. The former does not negate the latter. But then again that might be what most christains believe, for when you attend funerals today all you hear is that he or she is in heaven regardless of what life they lived.
2. Jesus states that all that sin, that is violate the ten commandments will suffer eternal death. The Sabbath is part of the ten commandments.
3. No one is saved by Sabbath keeping, just like they are not saved by honoring their parents or by not saved by not stealing or just because they do lie. They are certainly not save by going to church on Sunday either.
4. Since one is not saved by not stealing one should steal, or since one is not saved by not telling lies one should lie. It's a ridiculous agruement when applies to the Sabbath just as when applied to the other commandments.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Only those who are not "in Him" that have not had their sins paid for by His blood. Your question included a qualifier that you added..."the Law that required killing people for all sorts of disobedience, for example sabbath breaking" but I assume by this you mean Sabbath breaking according to modern day Sabbaterians and not according to the law. I could be incorrect!

It is just that modern day Sabbaterians do not actually obey the Torah (Law) of the Sabbath as God prescribed. So if what you are extrapolating here is true, then this would mean that when He returns He will destroy all of them. Is this what you meant (though I do not agree, so long as they are saved by grace through faith)?


Paul

How are the non-Jewish sabbatarians of today not obeying the sabbath of the OC Torah? Just curious

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[MoreCoffee]

I made a small alteration in the reply by Elder 111 so that Elder 111's numbered replies correspond to the numbers I've introduced into my questions. This ought to make reading the posts easier.

No, the promise of God to the faithful in Christ is everlasting life and a part in the first resurrection.

1. Sabbath keeping is not prerequisite for the promises of God, do you not agree?
2. A man or a woman is not saved by sabbath keeping are they?
3. And since one is not saved by sabbath keeping do you not agree that one is not lost by failing to keep sabbath?

Yes the promise is everlasting life to the faithful in Christ but everlasting death to the unfaithful. The former does not negate the latter. But then again that might be what most christains believe, for when you attend funerals today all you hear is that he or she is in heaven regardless of what life they lived.

1. Jesus states that all that sin, that is violate the ten commandments will suffer eternal death. The Sabbath is part of the ten commandments.
2. No one is saved by Sabbath keeping, just like they are not saved by honoring their parents or by not saved by not stealing or just because they do lie. They are certainly not save by going to church on Sunday either.
3. Since one is not saved by not stealing one should steal, or since one is not saved by not telling lies one should lie. It's a ridiculous argument when applies to the Sabbath just as when applied to the other commandments.

I was wondering, did you answer the questions that I asked? Each question could be answered in only a few words.

Want to try again? Or shall I take it that your answers are actually:

1. I do not agree, I think that sabbath keeping is a prerequisite for receiving the promises of God.
2. I believe that a man or a woman is saved by sabbath keeping.
3. I do not agree that one is saved if one does not keep sabbath because I do believe that sabbath keeping is necessary for salvation.

Here are the questions again:

1. Sabbath keeping is not prerequisite for the promises of God, do you not agree?
2. A man or a woman is not saved by sabbath keeping are they?
3. And since one is not saved by sabbath keeping do you not agree that one is not lost by failing to keep sabbath?

 

[bugkiller]

Oh! Will he not destroy all sinners at His coming?

I guess that is correct if one believes only soldiers are sinners.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

1. Yes the promise is everlasting life to the faithful in Christ but everlasting death to the unfaithful. The former does not negate the latter. But then again that might be what most christains believe, for when you attend funerals today all you hear is that he or she is in heaven regardless of what life they lived.
2. Jesus states that all that sin, that is violate the ten commandments will suffer eternal death. The Sabbath is part of the ten commandments.
3. No one is saved by Sabbath keeping, just like they are not saved by honoring their parents or by not saved by not stealing or just because they do lie. They are certainly not save by going to church on Sunday either.
4. Since one is not saved by not stealing one should steal, or since one is not saved by not telling lies one should lie. It's a ridiculous agruement when applies to the Sabbath just as when applied to the other commandments.

So then are all men (mankind) nothing but fools only falling for a lie?

Is your argument that one obeys the law because they simply do not murder, lie, etc.?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

How are the non-Jewish sabbatarians of today not obeying the sabbath of the OC Torah? Just curious

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I would love to know how the current day non Jewish sabbatarians are keeping the sabbath of the Lord thy God as prescribed by the law.

bugkiller

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus How are the non-Jewish sabbatarians of today not obeying the sabbath of the OC Torah? Just curious

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I would love to know how the current day non Jewish abbatarians are keeping the sabbath of the Lord thy God as prescribed by the law.

bugkiller

I hear crickets chirping.....


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