Ellen White on the Sabbath

[MoreCoffee]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

Do we know that the Sabbath is a sign of sanctification? So all those who refuse to acknowledge God holy 7th day Sabbath are not sanctified.​

Originally Posted by MoreCoffee

Nope.

We know that we ought not to let people sit in judgement of us regarding annual feasts, monthly new moons, and weekly sabbaths.​

Eze. 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I [am] the LORD that sanctify them.
Is it that only Israel can be sanctified?

Only Israel was given the law and so only Israel could be sanctified by the law. But now the law is a thing of the past and Christ has come; Christ is sanctification and life and hope and faith and light and truth to all who believe and receive him. The law is no longer the means by which God sanctifies his people, God makes his people his own by baptism into Christ.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Not at all--but what was said about the artwork was downright rude, now that was a real dummy spit, and not needed. So, why not turn it right back at you?? Seems only fair.

The comments on the SDA art work are fair and reasonable given that the art work was included in one of brother Lysimachus' long posts. If the art work were unimportant then it would not be included in many SDA books and articles and even in brother Lysimachus' post. Being important, as it obviously is, it deserves comment.

 

[Lysimachus]

The comments on the SDA art work are fair and reasonable given that the art work was included in one of brother Lysimachus' long posts. If the art work were unimportant then it would not be included in many SDA books and articles and even in brother Lysimachus' post. Being important, as it obviously is, it deserves comment.

At least try your best to comment on my arguments rather than my artwork. Notice I did not even touch upon your artwork. If you want to share artwork with your posts, then great. But I will address what you say, not your artwork.

 

[Holy Ghost Poster]

I sure do appreciate what E. G. White has written on the Sabbath. First, she states " sons of God" which I also agree with and to me it illutrates the fact that there are other worlds and there are righteous men in these worlds. According to Job, first chapter, the sons of God presented themselves to the Father; they ( >2 or 2 M ?) can "walk right in" and talk to the Father. Jesus , being a son of God, can do likewise. Second, now the Sabbath, 4th Cmdt., is the only one that has "remember" included. God is telling man to remember this one. It is the most important Cmdt. It commerorates the fact that God ( actually the son of God, Jesus) is the creator and maker of heaven and earth and all that in them is. The authoritative seal: God, Creator, Heaven and Earth, is reflected in the Cmdt. James 2: 10 states that if you offend even one point of the Cmdts., you might as well break them all. The road to perdition is at least a 1/2 mile wide while the road to heaven is about 6 ft. wide. Where are most going ? To those psuedo-christians that are not in the know, the only Cmdt. that will be kept/active in heaven will be the 4th.

 

[MamaZ]

Funny because it is not a commandment from the OT law that will keep active in Heaven but the true sabbath of the Lord as in Resting in Him. For we have the law and the prophets and then we have Christ the only begotton son of God who has fulfilled the law. Fulfilled some prophecy because revelations have yet to happen. But believe me it is at the door.

 

[mmksparbud]

The art work reflects SDA beliefs; somebody thinks that heaven has a gigantic set of ten commandments with angels and light behind and billowing clouds around and steps before and an angel with book and pen and Jesus talking to, admonishing, a black suited resurrected man .... while somebody else thinks that Jesus is in heaven dressed like Aaron the high priest with a big gold covered box and angels on the lid with lots of billowing clouds around and Jesus gesturing towards the box and towards the viewer of the art work ...

These things show in pictures something about what SDAs teach and believe.

Then why get upset over my reply about all the artwork made for Catholics that depicts many things that are not real? Being as many are in your Cathedrals, they must be important--but they depict error.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Then why get upset over my reply about all the artwork made for Catholics that depicts many things that are not real? Being as many are in your Cathedrals, they must be important--but they depict error.

Sister mmksparbud, It was you who seemed to be upset. bug killer & I merely remarked upon it.

You say: "they must be important--but they depict error."

I reply: Are the pictures that brother Lysimachus posted depicting error?

 

[mmksparbud]

Sister mmksparbud, It was you who seemed to be upset. bug killer & I merely remarked upon it.

You say: "they must be important--but they depict error."

I reply: Are the pictures that brother Lysimachus posted depicting error?

I wouldn't know. Seems more biblically correct than fat little babys with
wings and those horrible scenes depicting hell and those that teach purgatory. The bible does talk about the books being opened and judgement coming from what is wriiten in them

Rev 20:12-15 "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God, and the books were opened: and another book was opened which is the book of life--and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it: and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were caste into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was caste into the fire."
So he was depicting that--what's the big deal--John is looking up into heaven, so he drew some clouds--why do you have to try and tear him down for that? And the only High Priestly garments we have a description of were those of Aaron, and since all the earthly sanctuary items were patterned after the heavenly, He depicted those---no one knows for sure what it all is like, he was just going by what the bible says and trying to depict it--just like your artists do. Peace.

 

[MoreCoffee]

mmksparbud, I read your last post and still no mention in revelation of any ten commandments in heaven. Still no tablets of stone with the ten commandments inscribed thereon in heaven. But we do have a woman who is pregnant with the one who will rule the nations with a rod of Iron and we do have her seen immediately after the temple was opened and the ark seen within. We also have the knowledge from Paul that the Church is the temple of God and what would be more appropriate than that the ark in the heart of the church would be Jesus and his mother, representing the human nature (Mary being a woman and merely human) and the divine nature (Jesus being her son, incarnate of the virgin Mary, and God, the only Son of the Father, conceived by the Holy Spirit in the womb of the virgin Mary). This seems to fit John's vision very well indeed and it is the way early church fathers saw this vision.

 

[Elder 111]

What do you, mean? Are you asking if the law is applicable to the Christian? or maybe if the law is an historical fact?

To answer the first question, I ask another - how? Does Moses say the law including the 10 Cs were not given to anyone else before or after the Isrealites - Deut 5:3. Does Moses identify this covenant law in Deut 4:13 as the 10 Cs? Does Paul say the law was added and applicable until the Seed (Jesus - Gen 3:15) should ccome? Does Dr Luke say the law was until John (the Baptist) in 16:16? Does John say the law came by Moses or Jesus? What does the same verse say came by Jesus? the law? JN 1:17 Did grace and truth come by Moses? No!!! Are we denying the historical records? No!!!

I gather the law is a has been. How can any other conclusion be arrived at?Brilliant and correct conclusion.Yes the law brings only condemnation and death. It does not provide life.There are two (2) truths in the above verse. Here is the way the verse says that- And the commandment, which was ordained to life.

And the commandment I found to be unto death.
First if and only if one never violates the law it does provide (physical) life in a sense. See the Book of the Law say about Deut 28-30.That is correct the law always kills. The law is called the ministration of death. II Cor 3:7 about the law being holy, just and good. Now who is it that removes the law? See Jer 31:31-33 and Hosea 2:11. In Hosea God says very clearly the sabbath (4th commandment) ceases. God gave the sabbath to them - Eze 20:12. I think you even brought that verse up. Thus it is proper to call the sabbath - her sabbaths.

bugkiller

The point of my reference was to dispute your claim that Romans 7 speaks to the law being made void or abolished. So that I am addressing Romans 7 only. Why did you not stick with that passage? So the question still stands, does Romans 7 really say that the law is abolished?
Now you have referred to Eze. 20 Jer. 31 and Hosea 2, but these do not speak to the removing of the law. God is in fact is speaking of removing the Jews because they had failed to obey the law. That is the context.
A new covenant is or was needed because they broke the first. Eze 22:
26Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.
27 Her princes in the midst thereof are like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain.
28 And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord God, when the Lord hath not spoken.
(the same can be said of us today)
This is the law that is removed.
Heb. 10:8
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
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[Elder 111]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

Originally Posted by Elder 111

Do we know that the Sabbath is a sign of sanctification? So all those who refuse to acknowledge God holy 7th day Sabbath are not sanctified.​

Originally Posted by MoreCoffee

Nope.

We know that we ought not to let people sit in judgement of us regarding annual feasts, monthly new moons, and weekly sabbaths.​

Eze. 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I [am] the LORD that sanctify them.
Is it that only Israel can be sanctified?
​

Only Israel was given the law and so only Israel could be sanctified by the law. But now the law is a thing of the past and Christ has come; Christ is sanctification and life and hope and faith and light and truth to all who believe and receive him. The law is no longer the means by which God sanctifies his people, God makes his people his own by baptism into Christ.

You missed something here. In a very big way too. The law or the Sabbath does not sanctify nor does it say so in the passage or the entire bible. It says that it is a sign of sanctification, so that as you have said, Jesus sanctifies and the bible says that the Sabbath is a sign of that sanctification.

 

[Elder 111]

Funny because it is not a commandment from the OT law that will keep active in Heaven but the true sabbath of the Lord as in Resting in Him. For we have the law and the prophets and then we have Christ the only begotton son of God who has fulfilled the law. Fulfilled some prophecy because revelations have yet to happen. But believe me it is at the door.

Do you know that fulfill means to carry out or perform and not remove?

 

[MoreCoffee]

...
You missed something here. In a very big way too. The law or the Sabbath does not sanctify nor does it say so in the passage or the entire bible. It says that it is a sign of sanctification, so that as you have said, Jesus sanctifies and the bible says that the Sabbath is a sign of that sanctification.

The law, which includes all the sacrificial laws and priestly laws and dietary laws and civil laws and commandments was given to Israel thus the sign of sanctification was given to Israel but not to the whole world. But now we have Christ who is saviour of the whole world and who sanctifies all of his people and whose sign is not the sabbath but the cross that we carry as his disciples.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Do you know that fulfil means to carry out or perform and not remove?

When one fulfils the terms of a covenant one completes it and it's obsolete. The old covenant is past. It is done. It is fulfilled.

 

[Elder 111]

The law, which includes all the sacrificial laws and priestly laws and dietary laws and civil laws and commandments was given to Israel thus the sign of sanctification was given to Israel but not to the whole world. But now we have Christ who is saviour of the whole world and who sanctifies all of his people and whose sign is not the sabbath but the cross that we carry as his disciples.

I don't read that in my bibel.

 

[Elder 111]

When one fulfils the terms of a covenant one completes it and it obsolete. The old covenant is past. It is done. It is fulfilled.

Chapter and verse please.

 

[MamaZ]

Do you know that fulfill means to carry out or perform and not remove?

Do you not know if it has been fulfilled by the Son of God that it does not need to be fulfilled by His followers? It has been completed. I have never said any of the commandments were removed. But I have stated that they have been fulfilled and our sabbath is not in a day. But in Christ.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I don't read that in my bibel.

You'll have to read your bible more then. Torah means law, the law is the Torah, and Torah means the five books of Moses. That is why Jesus spoke of the law (Torah) and the Prophets (Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and the 12 minor prophets). Take a look at Matthew 5:17-18.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Chapter and verse please.

In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
(Hebrews 8:13)

 

[dollarsbill]

No Sabbath commands in the NT, Thank God!

Exodus 31:15 (NASB)
15 ; whoever does any work on the sabbath day shall surely be put to death.