Ellen White on the Sabbath

[MoreCoffee]

Soooooo----you are without sin?? I'm impressed!

Gee! Me to! How'd I do that?

I reckon you got the wrong end of the stick when you read post #259

You should be translated any minute now!---Say hello to Enoch for me.

Never fear, God willing I will greet the saints if God, in his mercy, receives me into his presence as a beloved son in union with Jesus Christ.

And it just warms my heart that it takes all these highly educated people to dissect what a woman with a 3rd grade education wrote, and they still can't get it right!

Oh! You flatter me! Ellen White doesn't need a dissection. She is quite beyond the influence of GT now. It is those who account her a prophet who may profit from an analysis of what she wrote. It certainly does no harm to examine what a religious teacher says. I am sure that you'd agree that examining what is written by comparing it with the scriptures is a godly course of action.

 

[Dale]

Is the rest not a command? Was there a time limit in observing that rest set? Is not the rest in observance of God creating the earth? Did He not sanctify the day hallowed it and blessed it? When was the sacredness of the day removed? and by whom? Did Jesus say that the Sabbath is no longer sanctified? Are we at liberty not to observe that which God has made holy?
Is that which is made holy only holy for a time or always?
Why is it that we say Jesus fulfilled the law and it is still not christian to steal, lie murder or covet but in the same law it is Ok to put aside that which He has made Holy? If all the other are to be kept by the spirit by not the sabbath?

Elder 111 in post #8:
<< When was the sacredness of the day removed? >>

Have you considered the possibility that the sabbath commandment is largely labor law? When it says that men shall not work, women shall not work, employees shall not work and animals shall not work, this is labor law.

Have you considered the possibility that which day of the week is used for this purpose is incidental---not the main point?

Suppose that I owned an estate with fields worked by employees. These employees should get a day off. It is likely that my employees would have family members and friends who work on neighboring estates. Would it be better to impose my official Day of Rest on my employees simply because I can? Or would it be better for them to have the same day of rest as employees on nearby estates? If all farms observe the same day of rest, the employees could see their family and friends on their day off.

In this matter, perhaps it is more important to be in harmony with society than to follow a religious doctrine.

This is what it means that Christians are not under the OT law. We do not seek to steal, bear false witness, etc. We do have freedom to ascertain the purpose of the commandment and act accordingly with compassion for our neighbors.


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[Dale]

Jesus said that satan was a murderer and liar from the beginning. Does that mean that he was a liar and a murderer before or after the law? If before how was that possible? John 8: 44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Ellen White says that sabbath keeping is the supreme commandment, more important than the other commandments. Yet Jesus never identifies the Devil as a sabbath-breaker. If sabbath keeping were as important as Ellen White says, the Devil would be identified as a sabbath-breaker before being identified as a liar and a murderer.

Another point I've always wondered about: If sabbath-keeping is the supreme commandment, the most important commandment, why isn't it listed first?



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[Lysimachus]

The Saviour had not come to set aside what patriarchs and prophets had spoken; for He Himself had spoken through these representative men. All the truths of God's word came from Him. But these priceless gems had been placed in false settings. Their precious light had been made to minister to error. God desired them to be removed from their settings of error and replaced in the framework of truth. This work only a divine hand could accomplish. By its connection with error, the truth had been serving the cause of the enemy of God and man. Christ had come to place it where it would glorify God, and work the salvation of humanity. (THE DESIRE OF AGES by Ellen White, The Sabbath, pages 287 & 288)
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Ellen White makes an unspoken distinction between setting aside and fulfilling. Technically there is a distinction if you read these passages (Matthew 5:17-20 and Matthew 12:9-13) in a certain way, a way that already includes the idea that fulfillment cannot mean termination through completion, but if you read the passages as they are written without a preconception about what is permissible and what is not then fulfillment and setting aside will have much the same meaning.

Get your bible and let's take a look at Matthew 5:17-20; my bible has this footnote for the passage,

This statement of Jesus&#8217; position concerning the Mosaic law ... (cf. Mt 18; Lk 16:17), ... To fulfill the law appears at first to mean a literal enforcement of the law in the least detail: until heaven and earth pass away nothing of the law will pass (Mt 5:18). Yet the &#8220;passing away&#8221; of heaven and earth is not necessarily the end of the world understood, as in much apocalyptic literature, as the dissolution of the existing universe. The &#8220;turning of the ages&#8221; comes with the apocalyptic event of Jesus&#8217; death and resurrection, and those to whom this gospel is addressed are living in the new and final age, prophesied by Isaiah as the time of &#8220;new heavens and a new earth&#8221; (Is 65:17; 66:22). Meanwhile, during Jesus&#8217; ministry when the kingdom is already breaking in, his mission remains within the framework of the law, though with significant anticipation of the age to come, as the following antitheses (Mt 5:21&#8211;48) show. (New American Bible footnote on Matthew 5:17-20)
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The mission of Jesus was the fulfill the law of Moses and to bring it to an end. In this way fulfilling and setting aside mean the same thing. When Jesus had done all that the law demanded and achieved the perfection that the law required in order to merit life, eternal life, for the man who fulfilled its demands he also brought it to an end for all who join themselves to him through faith and baptism. Paul explains that Christians are dead to sin and that as a result sin has no power over them any more because they are buried with Christ in baptism and rise to new life with him (Romans 6:1-11; Galatians 3:27; Colossians 2:12). Thus the law of Moses, being fulfilled, has no power to condemn (Romans 6:14). But Paul also makes it clear that the law's commands remain just and holy and good; we are not obligated to serve the law now that we have died to sin, we are, through the Holy Spirit, living a holy life in Christ(Romans 6:15-18,22; 7:6, 14; 8:1-4).

Actually, you are wrong.

The reason why people make the mistake in misunderstanding Ellen White's above passage, and then saying she is twisting scripture, is because they do not see the difference between fulfilling a law in the heart and spirit, which is revealed through our actions, and fulfilling the ceremonial remedial services of it, in order to remedy or deal with the problem of sin against the main base law--which is contained in Heaven's Ark (Revelation 11:19 and 15:5).

Fulfilling means both keeping and setting aside.

In one sense, it means to fulfill it in the life of the believer, by taking those ceremonial attributes and applying them in their true setting and meaning, and at the same time, abolishing the actual ceremonial practices that pointed to this reality in the Old Testament.

Once this is understood, there is no need to quibble over what Ellen White means.

A thorough study on the Greek Word "Fulfill" is found here:

Christ Jesus Fulfilled The Law - Meaning Of Fulfilling The Law

No wonder Paul said....

"Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this (meaning, for this reason), Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law." (Romans 13:8-10)​

So while on one end, we are "setting aside" all the ceremonial aspects that "symbolize" what this law really means, it manifests itself by actually putting their application in the right setting that is in relation to the heart.

That is where the Sabbath comes in. True Sabbath keeping can only be kept from the heart, without the association of any carnal ordinances to it, for these were abolished at the cross.

Has the Ceremonial Law vanished?

Have all ceremonial Jewish services ended? Has circumcision ceased? Have the Jewish animal sacrifices, burnt offerings, drink offerings, food offerings, and festivals ceased?

The answer to this question is: Yes. All these earthly, physical ceremonial services have ceased. The physical keeping of all these ceremonies pointed to Christ, the reality.

But has their value and spiritual application and meaning in the New Covenant age ceased?

Absolutely not!

Below are some examples of how all the earthly ceremonial services meet their antitypical, and spiritual reality. These services were symbolic of the "remedying" of sin. They were "remedial services" that dealt with the sin problem---sin against the moral law. They served as a symbol of the "rag" that cleans up the "mess". They "remedied" the problem of sin upon confession and repentance.

All "earthly remedial services" (Ceremonial Law) in connection with the "earthly sanctuary" and the "earthly priesthood" have now "transferred" to the great "heavenly remedial services" in connection with the "heavenly sanctuary" and the "heavenly priesthood" for which Christ now as our High Priest "ever liveth to make intercession for us" (Heb. 7:25).

Now we see how all these ceremonial laws find their reality in our Christian walk, in overcoming and turning away from sin.

The Jewish festivals were shadows pointing forward to Christ's death on the cross and High Priestly intercession in heaven as per Col 2:14-16; Heb. 9:9,10. These have met their "substance" in Christ. The 10 Commandments are moral commands of conduct, that existed in heaven and currently exist in heaven (Revelation 11:19; 15:5). The Sabbath points "backward" to Creation week, as per Exodus 20:11. It was made "for" "mankind".

We have no allusion to the Seventh-Day Sabbath of the 4th commandment being a shadow anymore than we find the other 9 of not worshiping idols, not stealing, murdering, committing adultery, not coveting, etc. etc. being a shadow.

All the earthly ceremonial types find their fulfilling meaning spiritually in the New Covenant.

Here are some examples of how all the earthly ceremonial services meet their antitypical, and spiritual reality:

&#8220;I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.&#8221; (Romans 12:1)

&#8220;Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.&#8221; (Romans 6:6)

"Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. (1 Peter 2:5)

"It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these." (Hebrews 9:23)

"And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices." (Mark 12:33)

"By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased." (Hebrews 13:15,16)

"And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour." (Ephesians 2:5)

"But I have all, and abound: I am full, having received of Epaphroditus the things which were sent from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice acceptable, wellpleasing to God." (Philippians 4:18 )

"And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." (Galatians 5:24)

"And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ." (Colossians 2:10,11)

"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." (Romans 2:28, 29)

"For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh." (Philippians 3:3)

"Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth." (1 Cor 5:8 )

And concerning the sprinkling of blood we find:

"Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water." (Hebrews 10:22)

"And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel." (Hebrews 12:24)​

Thus, before anyone can understand what Ellen White means, one needs a more thorough and deeper grasp concerning the application of the ceremonial Mosaic cultic types in a New Testament atmosphere.

The spiritual insight that ran through her words (not from her, but God through her) far surpassed every Catholic Theologian, Pope, and Protestant expositor combined.

It's something we have to deal with.

 

[Dale]

Now I'm really confused--You are Catholic, this says "so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the commandments."----It says "the 10 commandments are obligatory for Christians."
Why does your faith teach one thing, yet you seem to teach another? Have I got something wrong?

After the Resurrection and Ascension, the Apostles started celebrating Sunday as their day of worship. You could call Sunday the Christian Sabbath, although the Apostles never intended that anyone should follow all of the rules associated with the Jewish Sabbath.

Take a look at my posts in my thread:

Verses That Disprove SDA Sabbath

http://www.christianforums.com/t7665131/

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[Lysimachus]

Ellen White says that sabbath keeping is the supreme commandment, more important than the other commandments. Yet Jesus never identifies the Devil as a sabbath-breaker. If sabbath keeping were as important as Ellen White says, the Devil would be identified as a sabbath-breaker before being identified as a liar and a murderer.

Another point I've always wondered about: If sabbath-keeping is the supreme commandment, the most important commandment, why isn't it listed first?



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I challenge you to find me the exact quote where she said this. Once we do, we can deal with the context of what she said.

 

[Dale]

So when was not the seventh day the Sabbath?

Following the Resurrection of Christ, the Apostles adopted Sunday as the new Sabbath. This is in the Bible, it is not a later addition.


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[Dale]

I challenge you to find me the exact quote where she said this. Once we do, we can deal with the context of what she said.

Lysimachus,

I’m afraid you are not being honest with me. You know exactly where it comes from, you just want to make work for me. In the following vision, Ellen White is guided by an “accompanying angel.”

From The Life Sketches of Ellen White, p. 95-96.
This is in Chapter 12—The Sabbath of the Lord

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But the Lord gave me a view of the heavenly sanctuary. The temple of God was open in heaven, and I was shown the ark of God covered with the mercy seat. Two angels stood one at either end of the ark, with their wings spread over the mercy seat, and their faces turned toward it. This, my accompanying angel informed me, represented all the heavenly host looking with reverential awe toward the law of God, which had been written by the finger of God.
Jesus raised the cover of the ark, and I beheld the tables of stone on which the ten commandments were written. I was amazed as I saw the fourth commandment in the very center of the ten precepts, with a soft halo of light encircling it. Said the angel, 'It is the only one of the ten which defines the living God who created the heavens and the earth and all things that are therein.
When the foundations of the earth were laid, then was also laid the foundation of the Sabbath. I was shown that if the true Sabbath had been kept, there would never have been an infidel or an atheist. The observance of the Sabbath would have preserved the world from idolatry.
End Quote

In a vision of Ellen White, Jesus points to the “fourth commandment,” which is how she refers to sabbath-keeping, with a “soft halo of light” around it. From here it is a reasonable inference that the sabbath commandment is the supreme commandment.

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[Elder 111]

Elder 111 in post #8:
<< When was the sacredness of the day removed? >>

Have you considered the possibility that the sabbath commandment is largely labor law? When it says that men shall not work, women shall not work, employees shall not work and animals shall not work, this is labor law.

Speculation is not how God's word should be viewed there is no need to do that. God did not work on the Sabbath, He blessed it, sanctified it and made it holy. If that is a labour law for you so be it, certainly not for God.

Have you considered the possibility that which day of the week is used for this purpose is incidental---not the main point?

Suppose that I owned an estate with fields worked by employees. These employees should get a day off. It is likely that my employees would have family members and friends who work on neighboring estates. Would it be better to impose my official Day of Rest on my employees simply because I can? Or would it be better for them to have the same day of rest as employees on nearby estates? If all farms observe the same day of rest, the employees could see their family and friends on their day off.

In this matter, perhaps it is more important to be in harmony with society than to follow a religious doctrine.

This is what it means that Christians are not under the OT law. We do not seek to steal, bear false witness, etc. We do have freedom to ascertain the purpose of the commandment and act accordingly with compassion for our neighbors.


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It is better to be in harmony with men than with God? God wrote the Commandments with his own hand, there were and are that important to Him. They are to be kept including the Sabbath.
If we have a building or a thing dedicated to God we reverence it. How much more when God sanctify it Himself?

 

[Elder 111]

Ellen White says that sabbath keeping is the supreme commandment, more important than the other commandments. Yet Jesus never identifies the Devil as a sabbath-breaker. If sabbath keeping were as important as Ellen White says, the Devil would be identified as a sabbath-breaker before being identified as a liar and a murderer.

Another point I've always wondered about: If sabbath-keeping is the supreme commandment, the most important commandment, why isn't it listed first?



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Who said that it was or is the supreme commandment? Because Jesus did not call satan a Sabbath breaker does that mean that he was not? In trying to be like God was he not an idolater? Or is it that he could never be because Jesus did not say so?

 

[mmksparbud]

Lysimachus,

I’m afraid you are not being honest with me. You know exactly where it comes from, you just want to make work for me. In the following vision, Ellen White is guided by an “accompanying angel.”

From The Life Sketches of Ellen White, p. 95-96.
This is in Chapter 12—The Sabbath of the Lord

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But the Lord gave me a view of the heavenly sanctuary. The temple of God was open in heaven, and I was shown the ark of God covered with the mercy seat. Two angels stood one at either end of the ark, with their wings spread over the mercy seat, and their faces turned toward it. This, my accompanying angel informed me, represented all the heavenly host looking with reverential awe toward the law of God, which had been written by the finger of God.
Jesus raised the cover of the ark, and I beheld the tables of stone on which the ten commandments were written. I was amazed as I saw the fourth commandment in the very center of the ten precepts, with a soft halo of light encircling it. Said the angel, 'It is the only one of the ten which defines the living God who created the heavens and the earth and all things that are therein.
When the foundations of the earth were laid, then was also laid the foundation of the Sabbath. I was shown that if the true Sabbath had been kept, there would never have been an infidel or an atheist. The observance of the Sabbath would have preserved the world from idolatry.
End Quote

In a vision of Ellen White, Jesus points to the “fourth commandment,” which is how she refers to sabbath-keeping, with a “soft halo of light” around it. From here it is a reasonable inference that the sabbath commandment is the supreme commandment.

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Yah--we know which passage it is--we just want someone to post it---it explains itself--nowhere does she say it is the Supreme commandment--that is your wording.

The first are stating what God requires--no other Gods--to not take His name in vain--no graven images to bow down to or worship--the 4th tells you why--Because He is the creator, He is the only God and keeping the sabbath is reinforcing that. It was created for man, to keep Him in remembrance as the true creator and for our physical and mental rest from all worldly things so we can enjoy our time with Him.

 

[Elder 111]

Following the Resurrection of Christ, the Apostles adopted Sunday as the new Sabbath. This is in the Bible, it is not a later addition.


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That is no way in the bible. They kept the Sabbath, that is in the bible.
History also proves it. The Catholic encyclopedia also states that which is stated below. Find an old edition and you will see it. We christian have been fooled.
Since Christianity emerged as an interpretation of Judaism with Jesus accepted as messiah, many early ‘Christians’ (the name first appeared at Antioch, according to Acts 11. 26) observed the Sabbath and attended synagogue. The transfer of ‘rest’ from the Sabbath to Sunday began from about the 4th cent., but the reason given was to enable people to worship God, rather than to revive the abstention from work in imitation of the sabbath rest. The phrase ‘the Christian sabbath’ dates from about the 12th cent. The early Reformers (e.g. Luther, Calvin, Cranmer, Knox), insisted on the day of rest, though not in imitation of the Sabbath. The Evangelical Revival reinforced strict sabbath observance in 19th cent. Britain (the Lord's Day Observance Society was founded in 1831), but the influence of Sabbatarian movements on the Continent was more limited. The erosion of ‘sabbath observance’ is now extensive. Seventh-Day Adventists believe that the churches have been in error in abandoning the observance of the Sabbath on the original day and have reverted to that practice.
Sabbath Facts, information, pictures | Encyclopedia.com articles about Sabbath

 

[Lysimachus]

Lysimachus,

I&#8217;m afraid you are not being honest with me. You know exactly where it comes from, you just want to make work for me. In the following vision, Ellen White is guided by an &#8220;accompanying angel.&#8221;

From The Life Sketches of Ellen White, p. 95-96.
This is in Chapter 12&#8212;The Sabbath of the Lord

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But the Lord gave me a view of the heavenly sanctuary. The temple of God was open in heaven, and I was shown the ark of God covered with the mercy seat. Two angels stood one at either end of the ark, with their wings spread over the mercy seat, and their faces turned toward it. This, my accompanying angel informed me, represented all the heavenly host looking with reverential awe toward the law of God, which had been written by the finger of God.
Jesus raised the cover of the ark, and I beheld the tables of stone on which the ten commandments were written. I was amazed as I saw the fourth commandment in the very center of the ten precepts, with a soft halo of light encircling it. Said the angel, 'It is the only one of the ten which defines the living God who created the heavens and the earth and all things that are therein.
When the foundations of the earth were laid, then was also laid the foundation of the Sabbath. I was shown that if the true Sabbath had been kept, there would never have been an infidel or an atheist. The observance of the Sabbath would have preserved the world from idolatry.
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In a vision of Ellen White, Jesus points to the &#8220;fourth commandment,&#8221; which is how she refers to sabbath-keeping, with a &#8220;soft halo of light&#8221; around it. From here it is a reasonable inference that the sabbath commandment is the supreme commandment.

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Glad you posted it. For the very wording exposes your twisted accusation. Read the quote again. Nowhere does she state that it is the most important commandment.

1. Fact: It is not the most important commandment

2. Fact: It is the only commandment that defines Who created Heaven and Earth.

3. Fact: It was highlighted by the angel in the context of 1844, showing that after 1844, the Sabbath issue would play a pivitol role in the Great Controversy, because that is the most trampled commandment.

Think of your ten fingers. If one of your fingers got hurt the most, would you not go out of your way to take extra precautions to protect that finger?

Likewise, the reason the Sabbath was highlighted was for the very fact that the "controversy" regarding the Sabbath as pivitol, because it has been attacked by Christians more than any of the other Ten Commandments.

That is why the Sabbath issue becomes a test.

Breaking the Sabbath is willful transgression of God's law. And all who willfully violate it cannot be saved. If you break it in ignorance, that's a different story. But breaking the Sabbath is breaking one of the 10 commandments, and one will be lost by persistently violating it no differently than if they persistently violate one of the other 10, such as, dishonoring your parents, murdering, or stealing.

When one commandment becomes the most abused, it also, in essence, becomes the most important---because it calls the attention of its vindication and protection more forcefully when under the most attack.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Since your post is so HUGE I'll be answering it internally using the least number of words possible and by replacing the erroneous statements in your post with correct statements. I will use RED type for my alterations.

Actually, you are correct.

The reason why people take Ellen White's passage, and then say she is misapplying scripture, is because they see that there is no difference between fulfilling the law and fulfilling all of its ceremonial, civil, moral, dietary, and other provisions in order to deal with the problem of sin. What is particularly interesting about the role of Christ is how he is presented in Revelation under various symbols in the visions contained therein. For example, Christ is seen as the contents of Heaven's Ark within the heavenly tabernacle; the ark being Mary, the mother of God (Revelation 11:19-12:6 and 15:5).

Fulfilling means both keeping and setting aside.

In Christ's earthly life, it means to fulfill it while in the life of the believer, by taking those ceremonial attributes and applying them in their true it means setting it aside or abolishing the whole system of law presented in the Old Testament.

Once this is understood, there is no need to worry about what Ellen White means.

Paul said....

"Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this (meaning, for this set of commandments), Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law." (Romans 13:8-10)
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So while on one hand, we are "setting aside" all the law, on the other hand we are putting the justice , goodness, and holiness of the law into practical application in its right relation to the law of love written on the heart.

That is where the abrogation of the 7th day Sabbath comes in. True Sabbath keeping can only be kept from the heart, without the association of any carnal ordinances to it, for these were abolished at the cross.

Has the Law vanished?

Have all Jewish regulations ended? Has circumcision ceased? Have the Jewish animal sacrifices, burnt offerings, drink offerings, food offerings, festivals ceased? Have the dietary regulations ceased? Has the law of property and inheritance and the institution of kingship and the cities of refuge ceased?

The answer to this question is: Yes. All these earthly, physical ceremonial, dieatry, civil, cultic services have ceased. The keeping of all these pointed to Christ, the reality.

But has their value and spiritual application and meaning in the New Covenant age ceased?

No.

Below are some examples of how all the earthly services meet their antitypical, and spiritual reality. These services were symbolic of the "remedying" of sin. They were "remedial services" that dealt with the sin problem---sin against the law. They "remedied" the problem of sin upon confession and repentance.

All "earthly remedial services" in connection with the "earthly sanctuary" and the "earthly priesthood" have now "transferred" to the great "heavenly remedial services" in connection with the "heavenly sanctuary" and the "heavenly priesthood" for which Christ now as our High Priest "ever liveth to make intercession for us" (Heb. 7:25).

Now we see how all these laws find their reality in Christ, in overcoming sin.

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[Stryder06]

Bad choice but your choice; Que sera sera!

No more of a bad choice then your own to not read the book that would answer many of the questions you have. Besides, I'd rather not derail your thread by discussing various points of doctrine that you hold which I believe are founded in tradition, that contradict scripture.

In bits and pieces perhaps, as time permits, but as I observed before Ellen White is neither inspired nor a prophet according to the teaching of God's Church.

I've already stated that testimony has been given by priests within your church, that Ellen White is indeed a true prophet. So how do you explain that?

 

[Stryder06]

And it just warms my heart that it takes all these highly educated people to dissect what a woman with a 3rd grade education wrote, and they still can't get it right!

Spiritual things are spiritually discerned.

 

[bugkiller]

The evidence in the Bible is being ignored in favor of selected secular works to establish a falsehood. The Scripture show Christians meeting for worship as early as 55 AD when I Corinthians was written. The documented book of Acts was later and also shows evidence of meeting on Sunday.

bugkiller

 

[Stryder06]

The evidence in the Bible is being ignored in favor of selected secular works to establish a falsehood. The Scripture show Christians meeting for worship as early as 55 AD when I Corinthians was written. The documented book of Acts was later and also shows evidence of meeting on Sunday.

bugkiller

Meeting on Sunday does not a day of worship make. What you have are assumptions that you accept in light of scripture. But we've been down this road before. When Acts show Paul going in to the synagogue on Sabbath, the fact that he is keeping the Sabbath is ignored. Instead you say "He was just evangelizing". But when the bible says that the disciples meet on the first day of the week, you assume that was them coming together to worship, despite the fact that the scripture say nothing of the sort.

 

[from scratch]

Glad you posted it. For the very wording exposes your twisted accusation. Read the quote again. Nowhere does she state that it is the most important commandment.

1. Fact: It is not the most important commandment

2. Fact: It is the only commandment that defines Who created Heaven and Earth.

3. Fact: It was highlighted by the angel in the context of 1844, showing that after 1844, the Sabbath issue would play a pivitol role in the Great Controversy, because that is the most trampled commandment.

Think of your ten fingers. If one of your fingers got hurt the most, would you not go out of your way to take extra precautions to protect that finger?

Likewise, the reason the Sabbath was highlighted was for the very fact that the "controversy" regarding the Sabbath as pivitol, because it has been attacked by Christians more than any of the other Ten Commandments.

That is why the Sabbath issue becomes a test.

Breaking the Sabbath is willful transgression of God's law. And all who willfully violate it cannot be saved. If you break it in ignorance, that's a different story. But breaking the Sabbath is breaking one of the 10 commandments, and one will be lost by persistently violating it no differently than if they persistently violate one of the other 10, such as, dishonoring your parents, murdering, or stealing.

When one commandment becomes the most abused, it also, in essence, becomes the most important---because it calls the attention of its vindication and protection more forcefully when under the most attack.

Is doing busniess on the sabbath a violation of the 4th commandment?

If so then you admit you can not be saved.

 

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Neither does meeting for worship on Saturday make it the sabbath. This is used to prove Christians kept the sabbath and equates worship as proof of sabbath observance.

Paul's purpose was not to worship but evangelized. Worship is incidental in this case. Not one single verse says Paul went to worship. Such is an assumed detail and contrary to Paul's expression and testimony elsewhere.

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