Ellen White on the Sabbath

[Stryder06]

I think you are avoiding the obvious.

What I'm avoiding are unfounded assumptions. You'd be wise to do the same.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I will post the next paragraph in a while. Have you any comment on post #259?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Gotta love RC vs SDA debates on the Sabbath!

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[MoreCoffee]

Gotta love RC vs SDA debates on the Sabbath!

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Be good!

 

[Elder 111]

The evidence in the Bible is being ignored in favor of selected secular works to establish a falsehood. The Scripture show Christians meeting for worship as early as 55 AD when I Corinthians was written. The documented book of Acts was later and also shows evidence of meeting on Sunday.

bugkiller

Not at all.

 

[Elder 111]

Is doing busniess on the sabbath a violation of the 4th commandment?

If so then you admit you can not be saved.

You mean that business must be conducted on Sabbath?

 

[Lysimachus]

Is doing busniess on the sabbath a violation of the 4th commandment?

If so then you admit you can not be saved.

Correct, one cannot be saved if they willfully, and knowingly violate any commandment. It only proves that faith alone has not saved them.

Isaiah 58 is very clear, that on the Sabbath, we are not to go about doing "our own ways".

Sadly, many think everything in the OT is invalid. I disagree. I think that is a deception that Satan has manufactured to lead sheep to the slaughter.

 

[bugkiller]

Really? Let us see some evidence. Is the dating of I Corinthians in question?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Elder please explain how scratch said or suggested business must be conducted on the sabbath. I read a question about doing business on the sabbath.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

If scratch is admitted to being correct that doing business is a violation of the 4th and said to be a willing violation at that besides not being saved. I would then ask if so admitting is also admitting one is not saved?

Seeing that most all modern day people residing in first world countries consume electricity meaning that they accepted delivery of goods purchased on account at their demand are not possible saved. That would be willing sin.

The fourth commandment explicitly states no one is to work on the sabbath. If one buys from them they are employing them both in a business transaction and causing them to work. In the case of electricity someone mans the power plant generating it.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Stryder you mean to tell us that Paul was whipped and stoned for simply worshipping?

Romans clearly states Paul evangelized the Jew first. Acts shows the Jews invited an unknown Jew to speak to them during their assembly. Paul knew without a doubt this was the custom of the synagogue and took advantage of it. It was his purpose being there.

To say Paul was there to worship and nothing else is just as much if not more an assumption as anything else.

bugkiller

 

[Lysimachus]

If scratch is admitted to being correct that doing business is a violation of the 4th and said to be a willing violation at that besides not being saved. I would then ask if so admitting is also admitting one is not saved?

Seeing that most all modern day people residing in first world countries consume electricity meaning that they accepted delivery of goods purchased on account at their demand are not possible saved. That would be willing sin.

The fourth commandment explicitly states no one is to work on the sabbath. If one buys from them they are employing them both in a business transaction and causing them to work. In the case of electricity someone mans the power plant generating it.

bugkiller

In the Jewish economy, you can be sure there were certain kinds of work that God allowed---such as doctors and medical emergencies. There were exceptions to the rule, because there are just some things that can't be avoided. But the rule of thumb is: If it can be avoid it, don't do it. If it can be avoided, and you perform that work anyway, then it is sin.

The sick had to be tended to on the Sabbath.

If you are a Nurse, and you have to tend the sick or those who had surgery, then you must work, and there is no sin in that. You may want to dedicate the money earned on that day for the Lord.

A fireman may also need to be on duty, but he does not willfully go out of his way to work on the Sabbath.

Now I would argue that if everyone in the world wanted to rest on the Sabbath, then guess what? We'd be in heaven if everyone felt that way. So there wouldn't be a need to keep running business in this wicked ol' world.

 

[Stryder06]

Stryder you mean to tell us that Paul was whipped and stoned for simply worshipping?

Romans clearly states Paul evangelized the Jew first. Acts shows the Jews invited an unknown Jew to speak to them during their assembly. Paul knew without a doubt this was the custom of the synagogue and took advantage of it. It was his purpose being there.

To say Paul was there to worship and nothing else is just as much if not more an assumption as anything else.

bugkiller

I would never argue that Paul did not go to the Jews to evangelize them. Scripture however does not state that Paul took advantage of any situation to reach them, especially going to them on the sabbath. No matter how you slice it, it's an assumption. Paul was beat by the Jews because they had not, nor did they want to accept Christ. Again, even if he would have been trying to teach them that they didn't have to keep the sabbath, doing so on the sabbath would not be wise.

 

[MoreCoffee]

It isn't an assumption, it is what scripture teaches.

 

[Stryder06]

It isn't an assumption, it is what scripture teaches.

Where? Where does scripture say that Paul was not keeping the sabbath, but evangelizing? The scripture say that Paul entered into the synagogue on the sabbath as it was his custom. Why say it was his custom if he wasn't observing the sabbath, but evangelizing?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Where? Where does scripture say that Paul was not keeping the sabbath, but evangelizing? The scripture say that Paul entered into the synagogue on the sabbath as it was his custom. Why say it was his custom if he wasn't observing the sabbath, but evangelizing?

It was Paul's custom, not an obligation of a law that Paul was required to keep. Just a custom, a habit, a practise that he had. That's significant.

As for teaching the Jews the gospel on the sabbath that was covered in previous posts and I think our readers know the verses where it is said.

But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down. And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on. Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience. The God of this people of Israel chose our fathers, and exalted the people when they dwelt as strangers in the land of Egypt, and with an high arm brought he them out of it. And about the time of forty years suffered he their manners in the wilderness. And when he had destroyed seven nations in the land of Chanaan, he divided their land to them by lot. And after that he gave unto them judges about the space of four hundred and fifty years, until Samuel the prophet. And afterward they desired a king: and God gave unto them Saul the son of Cis, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, by the space of forty years. And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel. And as John fulfilled his course, he said, Whom think ye that I am? I am not he. But, behold, there cometh one after me, whose shoes of his feet I am not worthy to loose. Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent. For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him. And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain. And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre. But God raised him from the dead: And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people. And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David. Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption: But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption. Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets; Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you. (Acts 13:14-41)
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[MoreCoffee]

You could read this too, Stryder06 ,

And it came to pass in Iconium, that they went both together into the synagogue of the Jews, and so spake, that a great multitude both of the Jews and also of the Greeks believed. (Acts 14:1)​

 

[MoreCoffee]

This too Stryder06,

And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.
Acts 13:44-45

 

[MoreCoffee]

This too, Stryder06,

Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews: And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.
Acts 17:1-3

 

[Cribstyl]

You're spot on MoreCofee, but SDA will not admit what the mission was.. They rather that law abiding Jew commentary.

Stryder and most SDA have to misinterpret what the book of Acts proves line upon line. The church of Antioch was the base from which Paul was sent to evangelize the Jews and the Gentiles. The narrative is consistant about the work that Jesus called Paul to do everywhere the Holy Spirit led him to go.

Act 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Act 9:16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.