Ellen White discrepancies

[masmpg]

You are skimming over too many details.

1 Thess 4 "WE who ARE ALIVE and remain will be caught up together with THEM in the air to meet the Lord"

Jonah said "yet 40 days and Ninevah WILL BE DESTROYED" - then that did not happen. Jonah did not say "REPENT turn from your sins lest you be destroyed" -- read the text and see.

Another thing to consider in this discussion is the "special resurrection" spoken of by John and Daniel here:
Daniel:12:1&2: "And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." and here:
Revelation:1:7: "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen." Daniel tells us that MANY AND SOME, and John mentions those who pierced Him shall see Him coming.

 

[Sabbathkeeper&Wife]

Thanks EC n masmpg , I'd be willing to bet that if you researched long and hard you just may see Jes roots in not only Monsaint-o , but Nestlé n Bayer too. And yes, the new allergies that effect all the people they shouldn't come not only from roundup, but a combination of that and gmo s. The peanut allergy is somehow related to something they used out of shellfish somehow. I was reading something somewhere that when they cross genes, they are actually able to use something out of a crustation and make it work in a plant. That's crazy sounding, but it's also no different that messing with people's genes. Taboo. Y'all heard about all the stuff about the "super soldiers" myths? IF we have all this equipment, drones and technology, why would we need to put super human boots on the ground unless it was somewhere we needed to gain control of that we didn't want to destroy? Like our own soil. We'd have to have a soldier that operates with no remorse or reason. If you think about the kinds of food they push on us, the way it dumbs down society, it probably ain't hard to program someone with the media. Christopher Hudson picked up on that and how it relates, subliminally programming people. He's got a couple of good, in depth videos on the tube. The farmers don't gain any extra food from GMOs, so there must be another reason for them. Did you hear how one of the states is looking at the option of early life termination for anyone over 70 with an expensive to control disease? This just came about last week. ALL the things we are doing in govt , medicine and education are spitting images of pre Nazi Germany. Like I said in other posts, it doesn't take but a couple generations to reprogram a whole society. One less if you start with the kids. There are things set in place that are gonna turn some heads and it's been planned for a long time.

 

[Sabbathkeeper&Wife]

I saw the A Henriques video on the special resurrection. He's good. I'm GLAD y'all pointed him out. Now I just need WiFi .

 

[Sabbathkeeper&Wife]

Brethren, (and Sistren...?) ,Once again, please excuse my ignorance on proper titles, or proper anything else for that matter, but it seems cute and fitting ; it seems to me that there are more and more truths still being unveiled in these latter days. I haven't read all EGWs writings, but in my prophetical studies, I've seen a lot of what she wrote pertaining to the history of the church, the dark ages, the Reformation, the counter-reformation, and where we are at this particular time. She covered (or uncovered) a great deal of detail about events that happen in the world, the church, the sinister plans of the devil AND his henchmen, the new light (even those for each time) and things along those avenues. Maybe I haven't gone far enough in her writings to see firsthand, but correct me if I'm wrong, because I'd like to know - it seems to me that some of our "late model" guys are shedding more detail on the light she spoke of OR are they simply pointing to light she had penned about in her day that I haven't read? Which is it- OR is it a little of BOTH? Im seeing a lot of VERY important things happen in a rapid, snowballing succession. If it continues at the rate it's going, things are going to get bad very quickly and the fence-floaters hand will be forced WAY faster than we imagine. WAY. Thanks again , folk. Peace be with you.

 

[Dave-W]

The company buying Monsanto is Bayer, the pharmaceutical giant...

The company that made the gas for Auschwitz and the other death camps in Nazi occupied Europe during WW2.

 

[overcomer]

Another thing to consider in this discussion is the "special resurrection" spoken of by John and Daniel here:
Daniel:12:1&2: "And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." and here:
Revelation:1:7: "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen." Daniel tells us that MANY AND SOME, and John mentions those who pierced Him shall see Him coming.

Yes. Jesus told Caiaphas he will be among the group who pieced him to be resurrected to behold his second coming. And the other group of the 144000 who died in the Lord henceforth (Rev 14:13), EGW described as those who died under the 3rd angel's message will also be resurrected and have the special privilege along with the living saints to witness his second coming.

 

[Sabbathkeeper&Wife]

Of the sentenced ones, will it be only the group who pierced Him or ones that have deliberately gone against Him? The" SOME to everlasting contempt" in Daniel makes it even sound a little broader. Can you imagine the "special" humiliation? I shudder when I think of it. The" How long O Lord "from Rev.6 could include all the persecutors, couldn't it?

 

[overcomer]

Of the sentenced ones, will it be only the group who pierced Him or ones that have deliberately gone against Him? The" SOME to everlasting contempt" in Daniel makes it even sound a little broader. Can you imagine the "special" humiliation? I shudder when I think of it. The" How long O Lord "from Rev.6 could include all the persecutors, couldn't it?

The bible tells us the general resurrection of the wicked will be after the 1000 year reign. So the resurrection in Daniel 12:2 is a special one. Just like the special resurrection of a group of saints when Jesus was resurrected.
This is not a pay back, humilation. This is God's righteous judgment. The religious leaders who rejected the Son of God and plotted his murder were responsible for the fate of Jewish nation for whom the general probation was closed in 34AD.

 

[Sabbathkeeper&Wife]

Right but could the ones who persecuted the saints be invited, since they all have common ground? Seems like the guys in Rev 6 could be there too. Rev 1:7 says every eye shall see Him, even they that pierced Him. They're not gonna get two second deaths are they?

 

[mmksparbud]

It seems like everybody and their grandmother in now gluten intolerant---I've been making all our own bread for several years now and I sometimes add gluten! I've no trouble whatsoever nor my husband. I've been mostly using King Arthur flour as they grow their own and are Non GMO. Though I've not been vegetarian for over 25 years, I stick to the clean meats. My husband is not SDA, but prefers the clean meats also, though he does buy pork liverwurst. However, I have just been diagnosed with colon cancer. They want to do surgery as soon as possible so that I may not have to get chemo. For some strange reason, just before I was diagnosed, I started craving blueberries and pears. I looked them up and they have high anti-cancer properties. Interesting.

 

[Sabbathkeeper&Wife]

Early news is GOOD news! Hope it goes well on the quick fix! Blue berries are FULL of all kinds of good things. I know an Advent who is successfully battling prostate cancer with diet and lifestyle. Not sure what it does, but he eats cooked tomatoes 3 times a day. There's something positive in tomatoes, but only when you cook em. Of course you can fix em up, eg salsa, marinara , whatever. He says two things you DONT want. Black pepper(VERY carcinogenic) and table sugar- now from beets. One of Monsanto's monsters that have been GMOd with something to survive drought equally as bad. Plus, it feeds cancers like wildfire. We've put so much junk in our bodies, there's no pinpointing the caners origin. There's so much garbage in process foods, you actually get sick, withdrawals when you change your diet to healthy home-raised food. Your body goes into shock. God's luck with your treatment......a prayer on your behalf.

 

[FaithfulPilgrim]

I've been thinking about becoming SDA, but I just don't know what to think of Ellen White. I guess she got sole things right and some things wrong.

 

[Sabbathkeeper&Wife]

Do you understand what truths Adventists were given in understanding of the prophecies of Daniel & Revelation? The Adventist " movement" as it is called, came originally from one gentleman who figured out (actually was blessed with) the literal understanding of the 70 week prophecies in Daniel, which in turn, led to another confirming the way the prophecies were based on a day per year meaning when he pre-calculated the fall of the Ottoman Empire spoken of in Revelations. Neither of those men were Adventists because the sect hadn't become yet. This "stirring" of the waters paved the way for E. White's role, who clarified most of the mysteries of the two books by divine revelation in dreams and visions. This became the SDA church. What part have you studied and understood that sparked your interest, if you don't mind telling. These truths about the first and second advent prophecies are what separate the beliefs among most protestants. Peace be with you.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

I've been thinking about becoming SDA, but I just don't know what to think of Ellen White. I guess she got sole things right and some things wrong.

I would be interested in what you feel she got wrong....

As Sabbathkeeper&Wife said, the tenets of Adventism are not dependent on EG Whites writings as most cam from other pioneers in the movement. Sister Whites role was to confirm that the conclusions from the Bible studies these men were doing was correct.

 

[overcomer]

Right but could the ones who persecuted the saints be invited, since they all have common ground? Seems like the guys in Rev 6 could be there too. Rev 1:7 says every eye shall see Him, even they that pierced Him. They're not gonna get two second deaths are they?

Rev 1:7 is the second of the double fulfillment of Zech 12:10 that deals specifically with the house of David that pieced him.

Rev 6 deals with church history and the two Islamic powers.

I wouldn't think they are the same group Dan 12:2 talks about.

 

[Sabbathkeeper&Wife]

You may be right. The way things are going- we shall soon see. All mysteries will be dragged into the light. I see the part about church history. Where do you see the Islamic powers in 6?

 

[overcomer]

You may be right. The way things are going- we shall soon see. All mysteries will be dragged into the light. I see the part about church history. Where do you see the Islamic powers in 6?

Oh yeah I got the seals and trumpets mixed up. Wrong chapter.

 

[Sabbathkeeper&Wife]

Heard that. I get day n night wrong sometimes and don't EVEN ask me what month it is. Hey, the church history was in 6 tho! Man! Had some regular people over. Friend's family. I don't normally watch secular TV. When I cut it on and scanned through the same area they had had to on, like the movie channels, starz n stuff, in just 3 shows,.Not movies, things on every week! Those that are on regular channels- rated TV-MA , you had lady rah, pan, and Ash & Baal. All this in 3 shows, then another movie with Egyptologists reading hieroglyphics about some future ufo god-race coming to wipe out the earth. So 4 channels out of about 6 or 7 with all this ungodliness. This is "the norm" now? It's NO WONDER people sit back and do nothing but criticize works of Godly people while probably never reading their works. THEY call the"error" common knowledge but have never cracked a book. I saw a n A Henriques video on EGW writings and how they were altered to be wrong. Now WHY would an unbeliever need to do that if they were correct? Just to make them OR ANY wrong that were right? Truth is truth no matter where it comes from. It HAS to be from people who wish to corrupt truth to further their agenda. Who would do such a thing?