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Ellen Degeneres..?

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You should read what you write

First of all that response WAS NOT to you.

It is also a true statement. Hollywood from day one was in fact very friendly to Marxism. Fact is you seem to NOT know much about Marxism or its history, or from where it came.

Nor do you know anything about the Cold War, apparently.
 
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Really you have no idea what I know or don't know. Please continue your lesson so that I and whomever is reading may be further enlightened by Nationalism with a hint of homophobia.
 
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I did watch Ellen's show for a while before I knew she was a lesbian. Since I've found out, I've not watched because I don't agree with the homosexuality lifestyle. Then, just as I was beginning to enjoy Anderson shows, he "comes out" and well, there goes any daytime tv. We don't get very many channels anyway, and I think it's for the best.
 
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I watched some of her sit com before she came out of the closet and couldn't stand her. Once she came out it really made no difference to me. Still not a fan. I put her talk show on the same level as Oprah, Montel, etc.. None are shows believers need to bother themselves with. Just worldly attractions, nothing more. I will say, in Ellen's favour, she doesn't generally exploit her sexual preferences on her show or to gain viewership. There are many in Hollywood who do, just to make a buck since it's so en vogue to do so these days.
 
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You should look up the number of Hollywood actors that were sentenced during the 1950's and 1960's under counsel on Un-American Activities.

That was the biggest "show" there ever was. There were not many people sentenced and Sen. McCarthy was eventually run out of office.
 
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Oh man, I came to the tv forum to avoid the crazies.

-Dan.

Are you suggesting the Word of God is crazy?

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good
evil (Isa. 5:20)


For every one that doeth evil hateth the light,
neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should
be reproved. (John 3:20)
 
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I found the following on the net which I found disturbing yet not surprising I can see some of the list every time I switch on the TV.
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The homosexual agenda​
Although homosexual propaganda has been around for 50 years, the current campaign started in 1989 with a very popular book within the homosexual community called: "After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 1990s" by Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen, both homosexual community leaders and both Harvard trained mass public persuasion and media manipulation tactic experts.

This very popular book within the homosexual community makes a bigoted argument that homosexual agenda activists should implement an organized hate filled propaganda campaign to force a change public opinion to gain public acceptance to their bizarre chosen sexual behaviors and obtain special rights, benefits, and privileges based upon their particular sexual perversions. Their rationalization for launching such a hatefull, intolerant campaign is that people who do not agree with them are "bigots, haters, or ignorants", and therefore activists can and should justifiably employ any hate filled tactic possible, including mass deceit, lying, slander, maliciousness, intimidation, violence, terrorism, child recruitment, child molestation, Civil Rights violations, etc. Although many homosexual activists initially condemned this fascist approach at first in public, remaining hold outs have jumped on board after benefitting from the success of the propaganda campaign.

The following are exerpts taken from "After The Ball." These psy-ops strategies, tactics, and techniques have been and are currently employed by most homosexual activist groups and homosexual hate mongerers, as verified by their well documented hate-trail.


Read them and think for a moment if any of them sound familiar.

1) The homosexual agenda can succeed by conversion of the average Americans emotions, mind, and will, through, a planned psychological attack in the form of propaganda to the nation via media (page 153);

2) "Propaganda relies more upon emotional manipulation that upon logic, since its goal is to bring about public change" (page 162);

3) Propaganda can be unabashedly subjective and one-sided, there is nothing wrong with this (page 163);

4) Homosexual agenda can succeed by "desensitization" achieved by lowering the intensity of antigay emotional reactions to a level of sheer indifference (page 153);

5) Homosexual agenda can succeed by "jamming" and "confusing" adversaries, so as to block or counteract the "rewarding of prejudice" (page 153);

6) "Heterosexuals dislike homosexuals on fundamentally emotional, not intellectual grounds" (page 166)

7) "Desensitizing" is "our recipe" for converting "ambivalent skeptics";

8) Make victimizers look bad by linking to Nazi horror while helping straights to see gays as victims and feel protective towards them (page 221);

9) The Nazi story of "pink triangle as a symbol of victimization" should be a sufficient opening wedge into the vilification of our enemies (page 190);

10) Show grisly victimization of gays and demand that readers identify themselves with either social tolerance or gruesome cruelty;

11) Discourage anti-gay harassment by linking and calling all those that have opposing opinions to latent homosexuality (i.e., call people homophobic) (page 227)

12) Jam people by pointing out that it’s inconsistent with the reader’s belief in the value of love between individuals (page 233);

13) AIDS epidemic should be exploited "to increase attention and sympathy" as "victimized minority."(page xxv)
14) "We argue that for all practical purposes, gays should be considered to have been born gay, even though sexual orientation, for most humans, seems to be the product of a complex interaction between innate predispositions and environmental factors during childhood and early adolescence" (page 184);

15) "Muddy the moral waters", that is, to undercut the rationalization that justify religious opposition… this entails publicizing support by moderate churches and raising serious theological objections" (page 179);

16) Portray opposing churches "as antiquated backwaters", badly out of step with the time and with the latest findings of psychology (page 179);

17) Jam the self-righteous pride by linking to a disreputable hate group (page 235);

18) The main thing is to talk about gayness until the issue becomes thoroughly tiresome (page 178);

19) All opposing disagreements to homosexual behavior is rooted in "Homophobia, Homohatred, and Prejudice" (page 112)

20) It is acceptible to call people "Homophobic" or "Homohaters" if they do not agree 100% with homosexual views, opinions, or behavior. (page xxiii)

21) A media campaign should portray only the most favorable side of gays (page 170);

22) Show others accepting gays and homosexuals (page 241);

23) Heterosexuals are like Aryans and people who are against homosexual behavior are "Nazis" and "Clansman".

24) Homosexual persecution is identical to Jewish persecution (page 57, 62, );

25) Homosexual persecution is identical racial prejudice to Blacks, Asians, and Hispanics (inferring inborn) (page 62, 73);

26) All scientific/medical arguments to prevent 1973 APA/AMA removal from disorder list were rooted in cultural prejudice, medieval knowledge of science/medicine, and misinformation.

27) "Two-thirds of all boys" have rudimentary homosexual experiences (inferring most teenagers want to have homosexual sex) (page 44)

28) "Claim the vast majority" of homosexuals do not engage in compulsive high-risk sex (page 49)

29) American opposition is based solely on prejudiced, outdated, and hypocritical Victorian morals (page 51)

30) Claim all homosexually suicides are based entirely on societal rejection (page xv)

31) All sexual morality should be abolished (pages 64 to 67);

32) Homosexual civil rights are "explicitly set forth in the Bill of Rights";

33) Health concerns for AIDS prevention are unwarranted (page 91)

34) Opposition to homosexual marriages is based on "family nostalgia" and "sexual guilt" based on religious/Victorian values (page 92)

35) Adoption agencies have been "placing kids with gay people for a long time," as long as "you do not bring up" the fact that your gay;

36) "Claim kids in gay households ultimately receive better-than-average parenting" (page 97)

37) All speech that is opposing homosexual behavior should be banned under "clear and present danger to public order" (page 101)

38) All and any news or media coverage that is presents homosexual in negative form is prejudiced and invalid (page 54);

39) Everyone comes out must be prepped by a media campaign carefully crafted, repeatedly displayed mass-media images of gays (page 169);

40) "Gay activists have tried to manipulate the American judicial system." Sometimes the tactic works: many executive orders (which side step the democratic process) and ordinances passed by city councils now protect certain rights (page 171);

41) "Employ images that desensitize, jam, and/or convert on an emotional level" (page 173);

42) "Gain access to the kinds of public media that would automatically confer legitimacy upon these messages and sponsors" (page 173);

43) "Ambivalent skeptics" are our most promising targets (page 176)…

44) Associate gay cause with "talk about racism, sexism, militarism, poverty, and all the conditions that oppress the unempowered." (page 181)

45) Project gays as victims of circumstance and oppression, not as aggressive challengers (page 183);

46) "Mustachioed leather men, drag queens, and bull dykes" should not appear in gay commercials and other public presentations (until later after wide acceptance) (page 183);

47) Groups on the farthest margins of acceptability, such as NAMBLA, must play no part at all in the medioa campaign (page 184);

48) Gays should be portrayed as victims of prejudice…graphic pictures of brutalized gays, dramatizations of job and housing insecurity, loss of child custody, public humiliation… (page 185);

49) In time we see no reason why more and more diversity should not be introduced into the projected image (i.e., drag queens, pedophiles, etc.) (page 186);

50) Infer and speculate that famous historical figures were gay for two reasons: first, they are dead as a door nail, hence in no position to deny the truth and sue for libel; (page 188)

51) In TV and print, images of victimizers can be combined with those of their gay victims by a method propagandists call the "bracket technique" (page 190);

52) The media campaign will reach straights on an emotional level, casting gays as society’s victims and inviting straights to be their protectors (page 187);

53) We like television because it’s the most graphic and intrusive medium for our message (page 201)

54) Over the long-term, "television and magazines" are probably the media of choice (page 204);

55) Ads must manage to get the word gay into the headline or tagline (page 207);

56) Each message should tap public sentiment, patriotic, or otherwise, and drill an unimpeachable agreeable proposition into the mainstreams head (page 208);

57) Several years down the road, our tactics will have carved out, slice by slice, a large portion of access to mainstream media (page 213);

58) Associate and link gays to good causes and non-controversial activities (page 219);

59) The more people who appear to practice homosexuality, and the more innate it appears to be, the less abnormal and objectionable, and the more legitimate it will seem (which is why it is important to maintain claims to 10% of the population)(page 217)

60) Stage candid interviews with gays who appear as solid citizens. Subjects in commercials should be interviewed alone, not with their lovers (for now) (page 247);

61) Most people derive their impressions of the world through the national media (page 250);

62) It will be a sheer delight to besmirch our tormentors, we cannot waste our resources on revenge alone (page 189);

63) "Too many Americans share this mistrust of gay citizens" (page 55);

It is so outrageous and evil what homosexual activists are up to, one does not know where to start. One does not know who to feel sorriest and embarrassed for: the "ambivalent skeptic" who could care less if they were being desensitized, manipulated, and used; reporters and media officials who fail to expose such fraud and fail in their jobs as public care takers of the truth; public officials who are afraid to stand up to these bigoted, hate mongering terroristic activists out of fear of reprisal; the parents of the children who are apathetic and indifferent and allow their children to be desensitized, manipulated, and reprogrammed; or the homosexual activists who preach of "gays having virtue and honesty" while actively participating in on-going "hate campaigns." Does the ends justify the means? Should any group in society be able to get away with such audacity, intolerance, manipulation, terrorism and corruptness?
 
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The book After the Ball was written like a marketing strategy, because one of the people who wrote it was experienced in social marketing.
The book just contains methods.
Many used by other groups, especially political or religious ones.

The gay agenda rubbish sure is popular on this site.

If you find such ideas of a big bad homosexual agenda convincing you may like:
The Pink Swastika - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's not historically accurate, and written by someone more than a little homophobic; but I hear being able to blame the second world war on homosexuals is really vindicating to people who believe the homosexual agenda conspiracy theories.
 
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The book After the Ball was written like a marketing strategy, because one of the people who wrote it was experienced in social marketing.
The book just contains methods.
Many used by other groups, especially political or religious ones.

The gay agenda rubbish sure is popular on this site.

If you find such ideas of a big bad homosexual agenda convincing you may like:
The Pink Swastika - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's not historically accurate, and written by someone more than a little homophobic; but I hear being able to blame the second world war on homosexuals is really vindicating to people who believe the homosexual agenda conspiracy theories.

The gay agenda is an antichrist agenda in fact the true purpose of it is to get rid of Christianity.It has already started.Christianity is being mocked exactly as the Jews were before the second world war.It will escalate to further legislating against Christianity (the banning of faith schools etc.) and then Christians will be ignored by the authorities when they are assaulted or their businesses are damaged.We are heading for another holocaust but this time Christians will join the Jews in their suffering.The middle east war has already begun and will escalate into Armageddon (shown on the map as Megido) you will see on TV the river Euphrates dry up and the Chinese army go over it to aid Russia.If you can't see what is happening around you, you should open your heart then your eyes.Oh and cease from your term "homophobic" we are not scared of you.The homosexual community is theophobic.
 
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@Genersis
You were obviously using points 8:
Make victimizers look bad by linking to Nazi horror while helping straights to see gays as victims and feel protective towards them (page 221)
and 9:
The Nazi story of "pink triangle as a symbol of victimization" should be a sufficient opening wedge into the vilification of our enemies (page 190);


in your reply to me.The usual manipulative response to oposition of your views.
 
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@Genersis
You were obviously using points 8:
Make victimizers look bad by linking to Nazi horror while helping straights to see gays as victims and feel protective towards them (page 221)
and 9:
The Nazi story of "pink triangle as a symbol of victimization" should be a sufficient opening wedge into the vilification of our enemies (page 190);


in your reply to me.The usual manipulative response to oposition of your views.

LOL.
That's what Scott Lively was doing in the Pink Swastika to smear homosexuals I think is what you meant to say.

I was trying to show you how those methods you listed are used by even evangelical homophobic loonies.

Or method 17, if you'd rather.;)

They're tactics used by even you.(20("Theophobic"), 24, 48; Especially 48.)

If someone makes crap up about homosexuals to spread hate, I think homophobic is the right word to apply to such an individual.
I'm not trying to scare you Christians. Honest.:holy:

The homosexual community isn't "Theophobic". Though I can't speak for it, as it's not one big monolithic entity as you seem to think; I think it's safe to say most homosexuals are sick of all the yells of "abomination", "disordered", "abnormal", "evil", "instruments of the devil" ETC ETC.
Being tolerated really seems too much to ask.

I find it funny how often After the Ball is pointed to as proof of some gay agenda.
Do you know how few people even read it?
 
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