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Thanks.Bulldog said:OPC is the Orthodox Presbyterian Church. CPC is the Cumberland Presbyterian Church.
Knight said:Was there any point to this thread other than an attempted attack on Reformed Theology?
i dont think so...Knight said:Was there any point to this thread other than an attempted attack on Reformed Theology?
biwald said:If God doesn't elect on the basis of foreknowledge of good works, being a good neighbor, "inviting Jesus . . . , then on what basis? Bad works?
God elects on some basis that is unknown to us or not understandable to us, then as far as we can know, God's election is a random process.
If election is a random process, then considering the world population, it is statistically improbable that anyone in the OPC (or the CRC or any numerically small Christian denomination) is "elect."
If this analysis is incorrect, then on what basis does God elect?
billwald said:If God doesn't elect on the basis of foreknowledge of good works, being a good neighbor, "inviting Jesus . . . , then on what basis? Bad works?
He does not elect for these reasons alone! He elects when you make the choice to follow him. At that time you become the elect. As a christian you should walk in his light. However, he does know who will make the choice or not. God is everything he could force us BUT that is so much undervalued -He does not "force" you to do so. He loves you that much!
If God elects on some basis that is unknown to us or not understandable to us, then as far as we can know, God's election is a random process.
God has forewarned us that to investigate something that is clearly is for him to know, is sinning. Gods plans are none of our business. I think those whom are not saved are in this position because they want to be. Simple as that. There are some things left unknown to us, and we will NEVER understand. If we do not, we are not supposed to. Our business is our walk with him, our faith, prayer and study...he will lead us where he wants us.
If election is a random process, then considering the world population, it is statistically improbable that anyone in the OPC (or the CRC or any numerically small Christian denomination) is "elect."
What you OPCs (or whomever) going to say when you find yourselves in Hell?
The glory of his grace seems to be short changed by people that insist on the fact that he predestines some to salvation and some to eternal damnation......just plain nonsense. Seems to me that it is just man trying to conceptualize God - and demeaning his wonderful gift to us. But I do not think this is a specific denomination issue, many people hold dear to this understanding.
If this analysis is incorrect, then on what basis does God elect?
Good day, KnightKnight said:Was there any point to this thread other than an attempted attack on Reformed Theology?
Hey, I read some of Dave Hunts stuff just recently, the seduction books......I had no idea he had a book about Calvinism?? But of course I just found out he is strictly in the Arm camp....not too thrilled about that! What is the OP???BBAS 64 said:Good day, Knight
It seems that there was no other point in this thread. Maybe the OP was opened by Dave Hunt seeing his part the book "Debating Calvism" has failed Badly.
So to has the OP. IMHO
Peace to u,
BBAS
I missed this in my earlier reply. I can assure you, even though I firmly believe salvation is offered to ALL men. Trying to assume Gods responsibility in judgment will cause you greater pain. We are clearly warned about this. Telling people they are headed to Hell is a form of judging salvation. That is Gods job, not ours.billwald said:What you OPCs (or whomever) going to say when you find yourselves in Hell?
knight said:What are you refering to with OPC and CPC?
Good Day, Bill! (not sure if you have ever heard of Paul Harvey..but he always says this in conclusion to his daily program....could not tell if you were running me off or saying Hello!BBAS 64 said:Good Day, Flymonkie
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1590522737/qid%3D1080131818/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/103-6309197-0023056
The BOOK!
Bill
billwald said:Why do Reformed believers (of all people) assume that THEY are the elect?
No body seeks God, unless they are elected, period.billwald said:Who should know better than Reformed people that there is no human test for the state of being elected? That is the real reason why we should consied the Ten Commandments - because we are making our election sure - by working on the problem, not in thankfulness for our election. It is impolite to give thanks for a gift before one receives it.
theseed said:No body seeks God, unless they are elected, period.
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