Education

[random_guy]

My girl friend daughter comes home from Fl. state and she knew everything. We would have small fights over ceation and such. She said that her professor said........!
So her professor said that the fact is evolution, but he can not prove it. So his degee is useless if he is a lier or does not speak with understanding.

So allow me to ask this question. If you have many teacher, who teach a lie does that make them intelligent.....? Does a PHD or a Doctor degee give them understanding.

If I remember John and Peter were fishermen and the rest did not have a degee. Maybe Paul did, but had to go for 3 more years in the desert for practical training.

So what is a degee? Not much unless it tells me how hot or cold it is.
I have a PHD (post hole digger) does that count.

John914

Well, if her professor said evolution is a fact, but he couldn't prove it, then he probably doesn't understand evolution well, or the story got mess up as it was retold. I'm not a Ph.D., but I do know evolution is a fact. Allele frequencies in a gene pool do change over time, and this is observable. I also know that you don't prove stuff in science. Proofs are for math and alcohol. I don't take much stock in ancedotal evidence, mostly because I hear all the time about the Ph.D.'s that can't provide any evidence of evolution or how their students would stomp them with simple questions (sounds like a Jack Chick tract).

 

[KerrMetric]

Gee, what a shock the 4th item listed on the poll is at 0%. What a shocker indeed!!!

 

[Assyrian]

Actually the level of education among YECs is quite high 80% have a degree, it's just that their degrees aren't in the sciences.

 

[jereth]

You know something else interesting? The top people at AiG and other prominent creationist writers don't hold theology degrees either.

Mmmm...

EDIT: Here's my supporting evidence. http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/45/63/
Not one theology degree in sight. Nevertheless, absolute certainty that they are the ones who correctly understand a 3000 year old religious text.

 

[Mallon]

The question is whether Mallon wanted "science" to refer exclusively to the Physics, Chemistry, Biology, and related sciences.

It was a hard question to ask. By "science", I suppose I meant any field in which the scientific method is familiar and applied.

Interesting poll results so far...

 

[Redneck Crow]

TE, nurse. Not sure where you would fit nurse in as it isn't a college degree. I've done the biology, A&P, chemistry, microbiology, botany, and a few other things.

 

[Mallon]

So her professor said that the fact is evolution, but he can not prove it. So his degee is useless if he is a lier or does not speak with understanding.

Was the professor's degree in science? Are you relaying the situation accurately, or is this just second hand hearsay passed down to us, from you, through your girlfriend's daughter?

So allow me to ask this question. If you have many teacher, who teach a lie does that make them intelligent.....?

That's akin to asking "Have to stopped beating your wife yet?" It's a complex question, and a logical fallacy.

Does a PHD or a Doctor degee give them understanding.

If you dedicate 4-10 years of your life to a particular field, do you not think you will emerge knowing more about the subject than someone who didn't? As someone already mentioned, why do you think we send our pastors to seminary?

If I remember John and Peter were fishermen and the rest did not have a degee.

... and while they were each wise men who knew the Lord, I'm sure they weren't called upon to teach science. Being a Christian takes faith, not a knowledge of the natural world.

So what is a degee?

Don't knock it 'til you try it. It might help your spelling, for one.

 

[vossler]

Gee, what a shock the 4th item listed on the poll is at 0%. What a shocker indeed!!!

Actually the level of education among YECs is quite high 80% have a degree, it's just that their degrees aren't in the sciences.

You know something else interesting? The top people at AiG and other prominent creationist writers don't hold theology degrees either.

Do we sense a theme here yet?

 

[Robert the Pilegrim]

Do we sense a theme here yet?

Higher education brainwashes people?

 

[Assyrian]

Acts 26:24 Festus shouted, "You're out of your mind, Paul! Too much education is driving you crazy!"

 

[KerrMetric]

Do we sense a theme here yet?

Yes, YEC's are almost to a last man or woman scientifically inept. That theme is well known and the stereotype holds. They haven't studied, worked in or understood science. This board is yet another, amongst many cases, example of this.

Why not apply the same logic you would in everyday life.

I doubt you'd go to a plumber for dental work - so why think that people who don't know science can actually understand it or apply it.

 

[Willtor]

Acts 26:24 Festus shouted, "You're out of your mind, Paul! Too much education is driving you crazy!"

Haha! Is that how the Greek mss look? Or is that something St. Jerome added in to the Vulgate, for emphasis?

 

[vossler]

Yes, YEC's are almost to a last man or woman scientifically inept. That theme is well known and the stereotype holds. They haven't studied, worked in or understood science. This board is yet another, amongst many cases, example of this.

Why not apply the same logic you would in everyday life.

I doubt you'd go to a plumber for dental work - so why think that people who don't know science can actually understand it or apply it.

Gotta love it!!!

 

[KerrMetric]

Gotta love it!!!

But I'm not wrong. It is a fact borne out again and again. The YEC community is scientifically illiterate to a frightening degree yet they still give bizarre opinions on material it is obvious they do not understand at the most basic of levels. I've said it before but I stand by it, 99.9% of the time it is like talking to small children on these issues. And until the YEC side at least learns basic physics, chemistry, astronomy, biology and geology it shall remain so. Most of the time they don't even understand the words never mind show an ability to string them together in coherent sentences that make scientific sense. (Just look at the rubbish about thermodynamics they put out. That stuff is getting things wrong at a most basic level that shows they are completely lost.)

 

[Robert the Pilegrim]

But I'm not wrong.

Did he say you were?
Maybe we should all take a visit to the kozy cafe

 

[KerrMetric]

Did he say you were?

He thinks so though.

He is of the school of thought that science is a public democracy and that all opinion carries equal weight. That YEC and the science community are just different interpretations with equal weight behind them and that a layman plumber YEC is as able to assess science equally as a PhD biochemist.

 

[Lilandra]

I have a BA in Literature. I am thinking about getting an MA in Anthropology. I could combine all my interests into one field of study.

 

[gluadys]

I have a BA in Literature.

My BA is also in literature. Not a background for assessing science--which is why I rely on scientists to do that--but a great background for assessing texts such as scripture.

 

[Lilandra]

My BA is also in literature. Not a background for assessing science--which is why I rely on scientists to do that--but a great background for assessing texts such as scripture.

You are being modest. You have gotten into scientific discussions that went way over my head.

I think with bookheads sometimes the textual analysis and reading comprehension can be used to decode other fields of study.

Except of course, ones with scary math.

 

[gluadys]

You are being modest. You have gotten into scientific discussions that went way over my head.

I think with bookheads sometimes the textual analysis and reading comprehension can be used to decode other fields of study.

Except of course, ones with scary math.

Nevertheless, what I know of science is self-taught. No formal qualifications. I like to think it shows that a non-scientist can learn and understand science if they truly want to . There is really no excuse to remain ignorant except fear of the truth--or of math.


I shy away from scary math too. I really do not comprehend math, beyond the bit I learned to qualify as a primary school teacher. And since I never did teach primary school, I bet I've forgotten half of what an 8-year old is supposed to know.