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Eating pork?

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I don't eat pork or beef. But it's not for religious reasons. It's a personal decision. If you're thinking of going veggie [or semi-veggie], and using religion as the motivation, if that keeps you from eating meat - fine.

Personally, I don't pay attention to religious dietary laws. I don't think eating pork or not eating pork is wrong or right; it's just preference.
 
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What makes us think that God decided after the Messiah, that suddenly everything that He first deemed as unfit for us to eat is suddenly okay?

He says, I change not, nor alter the thing that goes from My lips. But apparently, God did a 180% turn with the 'new covenant'.

You'll have to explain then what Jesus meant when he changed our interpretations of laws in Matthew, chapter 5. He deliberately quotes OT laws, and then he refutes them.

I believe he was saying we received what God really meant the wrong way. And so, it isn't God who changed. It was us.
 
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You'll have to explain then what Jesus meant when he changed our interpretations of laws in Matthew, chapter 5. He deliberately quotes OT laws, and then he refutes them.

I believe he was saying we received what God really meant the wrong way. And so, it isn't God who changed. It was us.

He never changed them; He expounded on the spiritual intent as well as the physical well-being of them. People get so caught up on the letter of the law (which scripture says kills) that they neglect the spiritual intent of what those laws or guidelines for living were all about. The Bible is not a book of do's and don't's; it is a way of holy living, being set apart and a peculiar treasure to Him.
 
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I grew up in a home where we rarely ate pork, and then when I went to college that was one of the main staples served in the cafeteria because it is cheap. After a year of consuming a diet high in pork, I had a lot more migraines and eventually my eyes swelled shut for 2 days from it. I have not had pork now since 2002 and feel great. It is not only the meat itself but also the perservatives that are added to it and some other meats that make it not healthy for me as a migraine sufferer.

As others have said I don't think it is a healthy choice but it is not forbidden. Because of the eye swelling and migraines I personally would refrain no matter who served it because 3 days of no eyes is not worth it, and I know that the person will understand that I have an allergy.
 
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I believe it is just as wrong to eat pork as it is wrong to eat other unhealthy foods such as potato chips, a lot of candy, and soda. It is ok to eat them sparsely, like during special events such as birthdays and Christmas. But to eat them often would dishonor your body and God. He wants each one of us to take good care of our body because our body is His temple. These junk foods are bad for you. Eat healthy! It will not only make you feel great and look great and live longer but also please God!

This applies to other things such as tattoos and body piercings and punk hair as well.

1 Corinthians 6:19
 
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interesting posts everyone! ^_^ am still thinking strongly on the matter but my current view on it is that it is not a sin to eat pork but if you do decide to, be sure to keep in mind that it isnt the healthiest choice so be sure to monitor how much you eat ^^ same as with natural sugar ^^ i appreciate all of your views on the matter und would like to continue this discussion if anyone else wants to add to it ^^
 
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If you have to, I believe you can eat anything and it will not harm you. But, from a strictly nutritional standpoint, wild pig has been scientifically proven to retain toxins a cow's complex digestive system will remove naturally. In studies I've read, these toxins, consumed over a period of time, can build up in the body and cause disease.

I would liken it to a diet today rich with salmon and dark-colored vegetables and fruits, versus a diet rich in shellfish (which consume the waste in a body of water) and lots of white, starchy foods. Clearly, the person eating the salmon and vegetable rich diet will look and feel healthier. They will suffer less disease caused by inflammation.

Honestly, this is a lot of new age health nonsense that repackages itself as Judeo-Christian. It fails to logical analysis.

I'd like to know what these 'toxins' pigs are eating that are being retained. Toxins are a fun word to throw around because they don't have to be backed by naming any real substance.

But let's look at the logic- pigs eat the same foods that humans eat. Cows eat grass which is broken down by bacteria and they only aborb the fatty acids the bacteria produce. Is there some toxic substance we are feeding animals that we are worried about them retaining? If there are toxins, they come from the plants they are eating... and cows eat the same plants, which grow on the same earth that grows the vegetables humans, pigs and cows eat. I'm wondering where these mysterious "toxins" are coming from.

Now on to salmon and other fish- I will bring up a real "toxin" and its called mercury. It is found throughout streams, lakes and other bodies of water because of air pollution. The federal government has recommendations for how much fish people eat because of mercury poisoning.

As for starch (white) - what do you think Asians have been eating for thousands of years? 1/3 of Asians smoke and are still in better health than most of the world- so I don't think their high starchy diet as anything to do with it.

Human beings have been living off a diet of occassional meat (fatty and lean), a good portion of vegetables and tons of grains like wheat and rice. This is what our bodies are designed for and what they are acustomed to. This idea that starch is bad and certain meats are wrong for us is nonsense. People will believe anything to avoid facing the truth about our diet- if you want to feel healthy, eat less.
 
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Honestly, this is a lot of new age health nonsense that repackages itself as Judeo-Christian. It fails to logical analysis.

I'll be honest. After all these years, I still don't understand exactly what "new age" means. The term seems to be so loosely applied. :confused: But, I will emphatically say that this is not a strictly Christian topic. It is a human-health one. (The Christian part comes in, I believe, when we discuss dietary laws with regards to sin. It is not a sin to eat pork, but is it healthy? They are two entirely unrelated issues.)

I'd like to know what these 'toxins' pigs are eating that are being retained. Toxins are a fun word to throw around because they don't have to be backed by naming any real substance.

You'll have to do some research, but a pig's digestive system is such that whatever it eats (and in the wild this often means feces and decaying carcasses) becomes meat on its bones within four hours. A cow's more complex digestive system processes the grasses and grains for 24 hours before it becomes meat on the bones. It really boils down to whether you feel okay about eating a likeness of what was originally eaten by the animal. And if it doesn't bother you, then I think you have every right to eat whatever you want. Even scripture supports that (in other words, you do not sin by eating it).

But, is it healthy? No.

But let's look at the logic- pigs eat the same foods that humans eat.

Farm raised pigs today do eat grain, if they are not allowed to eat the feces of the other pigs (which they will.) But the wild pig (which is the subject of the old dietary laws) eats much more. eck!

Cows eat grass which is broken down by bacteria and they only aborb the fatty acids the bacteria produce. Is there some toxic substance we are feeding animals that we are worried about them retaining? If there are toxins, they come from the plants they are eating... and cows eat the same plants, which grow on the same earth that grows the vegetables humans, pigs and cows eat. I'm wondering where these mysterious "toxins" are coming from.

A very good book I would recommend reading is Living Downstream by Sandra Steingraber. She provides impressive research and data linking many of the toxins we consume today (petroleum-based toxins from fertilizers and pesticides.) to the most common diseases we suffer today. She explains how these toxins survive up the food chain and into our diets. There are studies strongly indicating the exponential rise in hormone-based cancers in the 20th century are directly linked to these products being introduced into our world after WWII. But here, you would go beyond the dietary laws and seek mainly organic consumables.

Now on to salmon and other fish- I will bring up a real "toxin" and its called mercury. It is found throughout streams, lakes and other bodies of water because of air pollution. The federal government has recommendations for how much fish people eat because of mercury poisoning.

Salmon, and other cold-water fish, has one of the lowest amounts of heavy metals (the worst one is mercury). However, farm-raised salmon has more pollutants. This is particularly true of fish exported from China (raised on farms where little or no regulation occurs.) Tuna has one of the highest mercury counts, and yes, you are correct there are warnings, but I would not trust the federal government to act completely in the consumer's interest. It takes way too long to finally regulate or even legislate unhealthy consumables.

As for starch (white) - what do you think Asians have been eating for thousands of years? 1/3 of Asians smoke and are still in better health than most of the world- so I don't think their high starchy diet as anything to do with it.

There is a clear link between asians who eat a more americanized diet and who smoke and a spike in heart disease and cancer. This alone clearly reveals how even in one generation, an entire ethnic group of people can be significantly ill-affected by poor diet and smoking.

Human beings have been living off a diet of occassional meat (fatty and lean), a good portion of vegetables and tons of grains like wheat and rice. This is what our bodies are designed for and what they are acustomed to. This idea that starch is bad and certain meats are wrong for us is nonsense. People will believe anything to avoid facing the truth about our diet- if you want to feel healthy, eat less.

I agree! Before WWII, and long before industrialization, the main diet for humans was mainly organic, unprocessed foods rich in whole grains, vegetables, and fewer meats (simply because they are harder to obtain and keep). But, the topic here is more about whether it is important or not to be careful about what you consume today and why.
 
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More people die of pig-eating-realated diseases in America than those of AIDS. Pig fat contains more poisons in it than any other animal. If a pig and a cow share food or water, the cow will get a disease in the mouth which will cause it to die. That goes for any other animal too, not just cows. Underneath a pigs hoof oozes out a green poison as well. For me, that is enough to turn me away from eating such foods. We catch our own fish, raise our own chickens and turkeys, and someday want to kill our own beef. I will confess, I do miss the taste of a cherio or prawns, but that is a sacrifice that I have chosen to make.
 
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What makes us think that God decided after the Messiah, that suddenly everything that He first deemed as unfit for us to eat is suddenly okay?

That's what the bible says.

He says, I change not, nor alter the thing that goes from My lips. But apparently, God did a 180% turn with the 'new covenant'.

That's what Peter told God.

"But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice [spake] unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, [that] call not thou common." -Acts 10:14-15

Normally I don't like it when people just quote scripture, but I honestly don't know how this could be any more clear or require explanation.
 
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That's what the bible says.

That's what Peter told God.

"But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice [spake] unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, [that] call not thou common." -Acts 10:14-15

Normally I don't like it when people just quote scripture, but I honestly don't know how this could be any more clear or require explanation.

I don't agree there, but I can't expain that here.

That whole incident with Peter and the sheet was God's revelation about accepting Gentile believers. It was law back then that a Jew was not allowed to dine with a Gentile. God was preparing Peter for the encounter with Cornelius; read on where Peter talked with the other leaders and explained the dream to them. It was not about food at all, but regarding Gentile believers. These people were just as holy and clean as a Jewish believer.
 
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We have to realize that God created all these things therefore He knows best what is good for us and what is not. So then it is up to each of us as to whether or not we seek to find what He says is best in all of this!

What you are trying to suggest here is that Mosiac dietary laws are what God reveals for our 'health'. It's fun to pick out things like pork and say that it is bad for you, thus it is proof that kosher laws are healthier. But in reality pork is a meat and it is no worse for you than any other red meat. Compare pork to something like cheese, which can be kosher. Cheese is far worse pound for pound.

Are the four varieties of locusts that are consider kosher healthier than the other ones?
 
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I don't agree there, but I can't expain that here.

That whole incident with Peter and the sheet was God's revelation about accepting Gentile believers. It was law back then that a Jew was not allowed to dine with a Gentile. God was preparing Peter for the encounter with Cornelius; read on where Peter talked with the other leaders and explained the dream to them. It was not about food at all, but regarding Gentile believers. These people were just as holy and clean as a Jewish believer.

Got it, when the bible says to eat- it doesn't really mean to eat.
 
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More people die of pig-eating-realated diseases in America than those of AIDS. Pig fat contains more poisons in it than any other animal. If a pig and a cow share food or water, the cow will get a disease in the mouth which will cause it to die. That goes for any other animal too, not just cows. Underneath a pigs hoof oozes out a green poison as well. For me, that is enough to turn me away from eating such foods. We catch our own fish, raise our own chickens and turkeys, and someday want to kill our own beef. I will confess, I do miss the taste of a cherio or prawns, but that is a sacrifice that I have chosen to make.

This is just more nonsense. What diseases are Americans dying of that you only get from eating pigs?

What poisons does pig fat contain?

The pig and cow thing is just silly. Animals get diseases from viruses and bacteria. What you are saying is essentially spontanious generation and superstition.

Pigs don't ooze poisons out of their hooves. Where are you getting this stuff?
 
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What you are trying to suggest here is that Mosiac dietary laws are what God reveals for our 'health'. It's fun to pick out things like pork and say that it is bad for you, thus it is proof that kosher laws are healthier. But in reality pork is a meat and it is no worse for you than any other red meat. Compare pork to something like cheese, which can be kosher. Cheese is far worse pound for pound.

Are the four varieties of locusts that are consider kosher healthier than the other ones?

LOL! It's not just pork; animals are actually divided into groups scientifically, and I found that all the animals mentioned in the Bible fall into those whole categories. It goes for every animal, even fish! And I don't think the issue is how much will be put around your middle. An interesting article I once read said that perhaps the animals that we eat are to resemble what kind of a life we live for God. We are not to eat scavengers, animals of prey, filter animals and those that clean waste and all. The animals that we eat, eat the food that is good for them and that food only. The Jews eat duck, however, when I read the Bible and the classifications of animals, duck fell into the wrong category of animals that were to be eaten, so for me, I do not eat duck either.

Who knows? Perhaps God knows that they are.

Got it, when the bible says to eat- it doesn't really mean to eat.

I don't get you there, sorry.
 
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This is just more nonsense. What diseases are Americans dying of that you only get from eating pigs?

What poisons does pig fat contain?

The pig and cow thing is just silly. Animals get diseases from viruses and bacteria. What you are saying is essentially spontanious generation and superstition.

Pigs don't ooze poisons out of their hooves. Where are you getting this stuff?

Cancers, organ diseases. Numerous of things.

Many.

I can't remember the book now, Holy Cow I think it might have been called; I don't remember exactly.
 
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You'll have to do some research, but a pig's digestive system is such that whatever it eats (and in the wild this often means feces and decaying carcasses) becomes meat on its bones within four hours. A cow's more complex digestive system processes the grasses and grains for 24 hours before it becomes meat on the bones. It really boils down to whether you feel okay about eating a likeness of what was originally eaten by the animal. And if it doesn't bother you, then I think you have every right to eat whatever you want. Even scripture supports that (in other words, you do not sin by eating it).

As for "research" I am a cellular biologist. I have a good idea about what goes on in digestion and that is why I think this is a lot of nonsense.

You probablly like to think of cows as a nice clean animals, right?
Cows are a grass eating animal. They have a special digestive system which allows them to get nutrition from it, whereas humans and other animals can't eat it. Grass is pretty much just cellulose, a substance which animals can not break down in their digestive system. Cows have a specialize digestive system that break down grass intensively. Once it is broken down thoroughly, it is broken down by bacteria. The cows then absorb the biproducts of the bacteria through their intestines and use those for their nutrition. This is why cows have to eat constantly.
So what sits instead of a cow is broken down grass that is being rotted away by bacteria. The cow then absorbs the waste or "leftovers" of the bacteria.

Pigs and humans eat more nutritious food. When we eat something, its nutritious components are broken down by our own enzymes. The food isn't aborbed into our bodies until it is broken down to the molecular level and is able to pass through the cell wall of our intestine. So let's say I had a steak and a pork chop tonight. When it is finally aborbed by my intestines and sent to by blood stream, the molecules are exactly the same, regardless of what animal they came from. The cell walls of the intestine act like walls that only let certain nutrients pass.

When you point out that pigs (like humans) absorb nutritients from what they eat faster- it means nothing. It is just a reference to the fact that cows have a longer digestive process because they have bacteria convert grass into substances which they can absorb and get nutrition from.
When nutrients pass through the cell walls of our intestines and enter our blood steam, they are indistinquishable from which of our foods we ate. The protein I get from eating beans ends up just the same when it is broken down as that from beef.
If one had a cut in their intestines and they absorbed just one single small protein, it would be disasterous. The body would treat it like a foreign invader and you'd likely end up allergic to that protein and whatever food it came from.

What gets absorbed are molecules. One molecule of H2O is no different than another one.



There is a clear link between asians who eat a more americanized diet and who smoke and a spike in heart disease and cancer. This alone clearly reveals how even in one generation, an entire ethnic group of people can be significantly ill-affected by poor diet and smoking.

That does not have anything to do with my point. There is nothing wrong with a starch based diet, which is proven by the health of Asians. Asians that immigrate to America have health problems because they eat more of our unhealthy foods.
 
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