Eating pork?

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

Cancers, organ diseases. Numerous of things.

I asked for a disease that was caused by eating pork.
Cancers, various "organ diseases" and other things are not caused by eating pork. Let's look at something like heart disease. It is not cause by eating pigs, but by eating a diet high in saturated fats. Pigs like many of the kosher foods such as beef and cheese are high in saturated fats. For some individuals, high saturated fats triggers high cholesteral which clogs the arteries in an unhealthy response and the strains the heart.

Many.

Just name one that isn't found in kosher foods.

I can't remember the book now, Holy Cow I think it might have been called; I don't remember exactly.

So you have no answer? I don't believe claims books make- I remember their facts and logic which allows me to repeat the same arguments they make.

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

LOL! It's not just pork; animals are actually divided into groups scientifically, and I found that all the animals mentioned in the Bible fall into those whole categories.

What categories? There isn't a "kosher" category of animals.

It goes for every animal, even fish! And I don't think the issue is how much will be put around your middle. An interesting article I once read said that perhaps the animals that we eat are to resemble what kind of a life we live for God. We are not to eat scavengers, animals of prey, filter animals and those that clean waste and all.

Kosher animals eat all sorts of weird stuff. Chickens prey on bugs and eat them.

The animals that we eat, eat the food that is good for them and that food only.

But the food that shellfish and pigs eat is good for them, because they are designed to eat it.

 

[rahmiyn]

As for "research" I am a cellular biologist. I have a good idea about what goes on in digestion and that is why I think this is a lot of nonsense.

Hopefully, anyone else reading will look into the research I tried to provide and make their own decision.

 

[TanteBelle]

What categories? There isn't a "kosher" category of animals.

Kosher animals eat all sorts of weird stuff. Chickens prey on bugs and eat them.

But the food that shellfish and pigs eat is good for them, because they are designed to eat it.

I know that there isn't a 'kosher' category for animals. I said earlier that after reading the Bible and learning of the categories in biology myself, I found a lot of similarities that led me to believe that there are what some may call 'kosher categories'. For example, birds are classified into 5 categories; birds of prey, song birds, water birds, flightless birds, and game birds. The only ones mentioned in the Bible that are able to be eaten are those of the game bird category (there is debate as to the flightless category over translations). Among land animals, only rumanants are mentioned. Among the 3 categories of fish, ie: osteichtheses, chondrictheses, and the agnathas, only the osteichtheses were available for human consumption.

I am not going to start up useless debate over it all, but just for the mentioning of it, they eat animals that they themselves eat plants; they are not scavengers or filter animals. I don't eat grass either, but that doesn't mean that I can't eat deer, cow, or anything else of the like.

I know that they are designed to eat them; God put animals that are filter animals on this earth for a purpose which is just that! But I am getting from this that you are an evolutionist, no? Sorry, but you don't have anything up about yourself, so I don't know anything about your spiritual convictions. But please let's not ruin this thread for the others by debating over it.

 

[rahmiyn]

I know that there isn't a 'kosher' category for animals. I said earlier that after reading the Bible and learning of the categories in biology myself, I found a lot of similarities that led me to believe that there are what some may call 'kosher categories'. For example, birds are classified into 5 categories; birds of prey, song birds, water birds, flightless birds, and game birds. The only ones mentioned in the Bible that are able to be eaten are those of the game bird category (there is debate as to the flightless category over translations). Among land animals, only rumanants are mentioned. Among the 3 categories of fish, ie: osteichtheses, chondrictheses, and the agnathas, only the osteichtheses were available for human consumption.

I am not going to start up useless debate over it all, but just for the mentioning of it, they eat animals that they themselves eat plants; they are not scavengers or filter animals. I don't eat grass either, but that doesn't mean that I can't eat deer, cow, or anything else of the like.

I know that they are designed to eat them; God put animals that are filter animals on this earth for a purpose which is just that! But I am getting from this that you are an evolutionist, no? Sorry, but you don't have anything up about yourself, so I don't know anything about your spiritual convictions. But please let's not ruin this thread for the others by debating over it.

Good post.

 

[WhiteWillow]

I eat pork. I don't think about this that much.

 

[rahmiyn]

Eating pork today, especially where it is regulated, is not the issue it was before. But, I'm still on the fence about shellfish. The waters are much more polluted today than they used to be.

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

Eating pork today, especially where it is regulated, is not the issue it was before. But, I'm still on the fence about shellfish. The waters are much more polluted today than they used to be.

I've been told by those in the meat industry that pork is one of the safest animals you can eat. They virtually never have a contamination outbreak. I'd be willing to eat raw pork before any other meat.

Cows (those clean little animals!) frequently have a problem with the bacteria (E. Coli) in their gut contaminating the meat. Chicken frequently sees contamination as well.

 

[rahmiyn]

I've been told by those in the meat industry that pork is one of the safest animals you can eat. They virtually never have a contamination outbreak. I'd be willing to eat raw pork before any other meat.

Cows (those clean little animals!) frequently have a problem with the bacteria (E. Coli) in their gut contaminating the meat. Chicken frequently sees contamination as well.

This report indicates the same is true for pork as well:

The 3 emerging diseases that producers were most concerned with were:

Swine Influenza Virus type H3N2 (New strain of SIV)
Postweaning Multisystemic Wasting Syndrome (PMWS)
E. coli F18

The top 3 swine food safety pathogens were:

Salmonella
Campylobacter
Trichina

The top 3 management issues were:

Waste Management
Antibiotics
Animal Welfare

(source in the above link)

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

Did you just google something really quick?

Every meat producer is concerned with diseases and the flu. Unfortunately humans have bred animals very selectively, meaningly that they have very little genetic diversity. They select for the most productive genes possible, meaning the genepool gets smaller and smaller. As a result, ALL ANIMALS in the meat industry are suspetible to diseases like the flu.

One of the labs I worked in was investigating a chicken influenza, in fact.

All meats producers have to deal with antibiotics and disease concerns. This is not pork, chicken or beef related. This is related to humans trying to make the industry as efficient as possible.

 

[rahmiyn]

Do you take issue with the specific article I linked to? Otherwise, it sounds as if the linked article confirms that E-coli is found in pork, as well as beef and chicken.

I don't mean to be disrespectful at all, but especially on forums where we really don't know one another, credible sources are needed to lend credibility to claims by posters. I too have a post graduate education, and it is precisely this that guides me to respect others on the forum by trying to back up my own position with credible sources. I simply don't expect others to just take my word for it. I would hope you would not as well, being an educated person.

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

Do you take issue with the specific article I linked to? Otherwise, it sounds as if the linked article confirms that E-coli is found in pork, as well as beef and chicken.

I don't mean to be disrespectful at all, but especially on forums where we really don't know one another, credible sources are needed to lend credibility to claims by posters. I too have a post graduate education, and it is precisely this that guides me to respect others on the forum by trying to back up my own position with credible sources. I simply don't expect others to just take my word for it. I would hope you would not as well, being an educated person.

I already have my Masters and I will be starting another four years of grad skewl in a few months. But yet I agree- my claims on the internet aren't worth spit.

If someone disagrees with something I said specifically, then call it out and I'll be happy to back it up with some external resource.

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

Do you take issue with the specific article I linked to?

I think you just found a random article about problems with pork that is found with every other meat.

 

[rahmiyn]

I already have my Masters and I will be starting another four years of grad skewl in a few months. But yet I agree- my claims on the internet aren't worth spit.

If someone disagrees with something I said specifically, then call it out and I'll be happy to back it up with some external resource.

Perhaps the more important point, which you seem to be also making here, is that it really is up to individual posters to make up their own minds about what is posted. It's just that my own experience compels me to want to make it a bit easier for readers to find out more about claims I might make here.

It's just a courtesy really.

 

[TanteBelle]

Eating pork today, especially where it is regulated, is not the issue it was before. But, I'm still on the fence about shellfish. The waters are much more polluted today than they used to be.

The only sea food that the bible deems as fit for God's people are fish with scales, bones, and fins, which happens to be the category that I mentioned. Shellfish, crayfish, prawns, and all those are considered filter animals.