Eating pork and shellfish is a grave sin.

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

Lol Oh please, I've been to the millions of websites that speak of her falacies. I understand she has said some wild things, I admit they are shocking. She is also human. Are prophets suppose to be perfect in every way?

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously; thou shalt not be afraid of him. Deut. 18:22

She was wrong on many occasions. The Bible very cleary says that a prophet will be right every time.

Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD. Jer. 23:32

The false doctrine of the ShutDoor, the visions of people on Jupiter, which we now know has a surface of liquid hydrogen. She also said they were sinless which contradicts the Bible. The Bible says that all of creation groans with the pains of childbirth, these pains are a direct result of the fall, therefore the fall affected all of creation.

There are more but she failed these tests pretty majestically. She does qualify as a prophet according to the Bible you claim to follow.



But the SDA church does not follow E.G. White. We follow the Bible friends. We go by the Bible and not by E.G white. I still believe she was inspired because she leads people to the Lord and Bible. She does not claim we must follow her. She directs one to the Bible and God. I do not mention E.G. White at all either. I search the Bible only. I pray you will do the same.


You would like to claim this, but in the statements on your churches website the claims are made the she is a prophet and her words are without error. This alone is a problem as she said that anyone who attempts to refute her visions will go to hell. You also have to swear the gift of prophecy is the mark of the remnant church, your church only has one prophet and that is EGW.

 

[Skillz151]

You guys are gonna make me late LOL.

I don't understand why you keep bringing up E.G. White?
Did I not say that I go by the Bible only?

"But the SDA church does not follow E.G. White. We follow the Bible friends. We go by the Bible and not by E.G white. I still believe she was inspired because she leads people to the Lord and Bible. She does not claim we must follow her. She directs one to the Bible and God. I do not mention E.G. White at all either. I search the Bible only. I pray you will do the same.
"

She doesn't deter people from the Bible and say "FOLLOW ME" no, she says, Look it up in the Bible.

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

Then you show where the food laws were not nailed to the cross, show where they existed before the Law was given.

 

[Andre]

Lol Oh please, I've been to the millions of websites that speak of her falacies.
I understand she has said some wild things, I admit they are shocking. She is also human. Are prophets suppose to be perfect in every way? But the SDA church does not follow E.G. White. We follow the Bible friends. We go by the Bible and not by E.G white. I still believe she was inspired because she leads people to the Lord and Bible. She does not claim we must follow her. She directs one to the Bible and God. I do not mention E.G. White at all either. I search the Bible only. I pray you will do the same.

No, they were sinners just like us, but if they are true prophets everything they say regarding prophecies or doctrine must agree 100% with the word of God and never fail, one false prophecy makes for a false prophet. A prophecy from a true prophet of God will never, ever, under any circunstances, fail, because it is not the word of the prophet, it is the word of God being revealed to us through the prophet.

Clearly not the case with Sista White.

 

[deu58]

Hello Skilz151

Hmmm. She said some shocking things? Apparently you agree with those things.

Skilz said on the Sabbath thread,
I'm sorry you feel that way.

I have studied and learned about different churches. I truly believe The seventh day adventist church is the remnant church that holds ALL the commandments of God and the Bible. I'm sure you and many others disagree

Did you find that in the bible? The SDA is the remnant church?

Skillz said,
She is also human. Are prophets suppose to be perfect in every way?

well, considering you criticise human assumptions and I agree, lets let scripture have the say on this.

De 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
De 18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
De 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.


Now you have acknowledged yourself she said some " wild things". Those are only the things that you have recognized as wild. What about others who maybe do not see all the " wild things" you see and are teaching them as truth because they beleive those "wild things".

And what about yourself? What happens if a few years down the road you discover some of what you have been teaching others is a few more of those "wild things" she claimed are true but now you see they are not. OOPS! Well thats ok Just an honest mistake after all I am just doing Gods will. Are you really?

Pr 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Pr 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
You wish us to beleive that a church that was founded on the False visions of a deceived woman is the true remnant church? Talk about human assumptions!

yours in Christ
deu58

 

[Heartman]

Just about the surest sign of a church that has gone off the deep end is when they claim to be the only way, or the only remnant, or the only ones with the whole truth. If the SDA are now saying that, run for the hills!

Heartman

 

[deu58]

hello Skilz151

Skilz on the investigative judgment tread said to flesh

Wow. Satan is good at what he does. I'll pray for you.

Did you get this Judgmental attitude towards others who do not accept your beleifs from the bible to?

yours in Christ
deu58

 

[clinzey]

God claimed these animals to be UNCLEAN to eat back then. Are they now somehow clean and good for us to eat? No friends they are not.

May I direct you Jesus' words in Mark 7:18-19. "Are you so dull? Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him unclean? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." In saying this he declared all foods clean.

If Jesus doesn't settle it, who does?

 

[thereselittleflower]

You guys are gonna make me late LOL.

I don't understand why you keep bringing up E.G. White?
Did I not say that I go by the Bible only?

yep, this is the claim Symes made too . . yet in the other thread you blatantly admitted that the SDA belief that Adam kept the 7th Day Sabbath is based on "obvious" assumption when it was pointed out to you that there is nothing in the scriptures that says Adam kept the 7th Day Sabbath . .


Sorry, but I am calling you on this . .

The apologetics for the SDA faith has been sorely lacking in these threads, and if this is the best that you can do, then I have to say that it seems clear that this last bit is true . . that SDA beliefs are based more on assumptions than anything else . .


*the feeling of a head-banging-on-a-brick-wall episode coming on is getting stronger!!!


Peace in Him!

 

[Andre]

I understand you'll mean well.

So do I. I am sincerely pleading with you to open your mind and hearts.

Just a small ex. before I go to school.

I will list links later, but did you know that scientist have done extensive research on which foods are healthy and which foods are not?

Well to sum it up they say that with the fish that have scales and fins are good to eat (healthy). But any other is not.

And among animals the pig is very unhealthy. Exactly what the Bible states some 2000 years ago. Interesting don't you think.

Well i'm off.. Cya

Oh yeah one more point just came to mind.

God claimed these animals to be UNCLEAN to eat back then. Are they now somehow clean and good for us to eat? No friends they are not.

Yes they are, pork chops are almost as lean as chicken breast, and it's about 80% leaner than most cuts of beef.
A serving of some beef cuts like ribeye will do more damage to you then a plate of pork chops with lobster sauce and shrimps on top.

God claimed these animals to be UNCLEAN to eat back then. Are they now somehow clean and good for us to eat?

Taa Daaaaa, Yes they are now clean, they were not clean before, they are clean now because God has made it clean. It's been sanctified by the word of God and prayer!!! Read the Bible!!!!!

1 Tim 4
3 men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.
4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude;
5 for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer.

Mark 7

18 And He said to them, "Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him,
19 because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" (Thus He declared all foods clean.)
20 And He was saying, " That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man.

Romans 14

2 One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only. [funny, the SDA church teaches that one can get into a higher state of santification by being vegetarian...]
3 The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him.
4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
5 One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.
6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God.
7 For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself;
8 for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord's.
9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
10 But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.
11 For it is written,
" AS I LIVE, SAYS THE LORD, EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW TO ME,
AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL GIVE PRAISE TO GOD."
12 So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God.
13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this-- not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother's way.
14 I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 For if because of food your brother is hurt, you are no longer walking according to love. Do not destroy with your food him for whom Christ died.
16 Therefore do not let what is for you a good thing be spoken of as evil;

 

[Andre]

Acts 10
15 Again a voice came to him a second time, " What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy."

Pay attention to this verse, It is clear that it wasn't clean before, but God has clensed it, if He had to clense it it means it wans't clean. No longer consider it unclean

Acts 11
9 "But a voice from heaven answered a second time, ' What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.'

 

[deu58]

Hello Skilz151

And before you say the vision of peter had nothing to do with food,

Ac 11:3 Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.
Ac 11:4 But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying,
Ac 11:5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
Ac 11:6 Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
Ac 11:7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
Ac 11:8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
Ac 11:9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.


Peter is confronted for eating with Cornelius and he uses the vision of acts 10 as his defense

yours in Christ
deu58

 

[Skillz151]

Acts 10
15 Again a voice came to him a second time, " What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy."

Pay attention to this verse, It is clear that it wasn't clean before, but God has clensed it, if He had to clense it it means it wans't clean. No longer consider it unclean

Acts 11
9 "But a voice from heaven answered a second time, ' What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.'

With a little more information you can learn.

http://www.amazingfacts.org/resources/Audio/BALQALib/68sheet.ram

Need more proof? Just ask.

 

[deu58]

With a little more information you can learn.

http://www.amazingfacts.org/resources/Audio/BALQALib/68sheet.ram

Need more proof? Just ask.

Hello Skilz151

1. Your link avoids Peters response in acts 11 where he is accused of eating with the Gentiles.

2. The Apostles did not fully understand what had happened at the cross. They were also still doing Jewish temple rituals also.
Ac 21:24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.

In the very next verse they make perfectly clear that the Gentiles are not expected to follow the Law of Moses

Ac 21:25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

This is James the brother of the Lord asking Paul to take part in a temple ritual to show the Jews of Jerusalem that he was not against the law.

Much of what Jesus taught the disciples was still unclear and the law of liberty under Christ was still being revealed to them.
You seem to think that the Jews expected the Gentiles to obey the same law as the law of Moses. This is incorrect. The Jewish proselytes were under a different covenant than the Jews, This covenant was based on seven laws and is still observed by Jewish proselytes today. It is called the Noahchide covenant

After the crucifixion a group of Messianic Pharisee's believed that Gentile converts must obey the full 613 commandments of the Mosaic law.

Ac 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

The apostles disagreed, They wrote letters for Paul and Barnabas to take to the Gentiles.

Ac 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Ac 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

The basis of this letter is founded on the very same Noachide laws that the apostles knew and understood from their youth because it was a part of their religious background.

Paul based his teachings on this letter and this is why you cannot find any Sabbath command or food commands in his writings because Gentiles were never required to do those things in first place.

I would like to know if what Denomination sponsored that radio program?


yours in Christ
deu58

 

[Skillz151]

SDA of course (don't roll your eyes) Thereslilflower, I'm not telling him what to do*insidej/k*

Anywho, I seem to missing your point. I was refuting what Andre thought ACTS meant.

The topic was eating pork grave sin?

Well let me clear something up. I don't think eating pork is a grave sin but it is a sin by defilling your body (temple). I'm not saying you will be rejected by Christ because you ate a "ham sammich" but God loves his children(right) and he wants to make sure that they stay healthy.

Now we all know that Scavengers are here to clean up the earth by eating "waste" right? And Scientist have even concluded that these animals are not good for your health.(something the Bible has mentioned long before they investigated) Let's not forget about the PIG and all of its nasty habits.

Now you can insist that these animals are clean all you(not directed towards deu58, but everyone)want but you really must look inside yourself and ask yourself is it worth it? The Bible says these animals are unclean, but somehow now they are good for you to eat all of a sudden? I don't think so. http://www.amazingdiscoveries.org/amazingdiet/clean-unclean.htm

The Bible and todays Scientist have declared these animals as "non-healthy aka unclean" but if you insist they are "good" then by all means... EAT UP. *pun intended*

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

Lets look at the false claims pork is bad for you. Here are some facts about PORK:

A roasted 3-ounce serving has only 133 calories, 67 mg. cholesterol and 4.1 gr. fat, comparable to roasted skinless chicken breast (139 calories, 71 mg. cholesterol and 3 gr. fat).

Only slightly more fat than a boneless skinless chicken breat? Less cholesterol? Less calories? Must be horrible for you. Maybe there is something lacking in the nutrients?

Iron 7%
Magnesium 6%
Phosphorous 22%
Potassium 11%
Zinc 15%
Thiamin 53%
Riboflavin 19%
Niacin 20%
Vitamin B12 33%
Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine) 18%

Well that looks ABSOLUTELY hideous to me! Of course I know what it is, it's that darn Trichinellosis; which occurs in less that .1% of farm raised pork and is killed at 137 degrees F. Of course that must be what it is, since pork is so horrible for you! After looking at the facts I don't think I could ever eat prok again, I am totally convinced, who want all those nutrients and less cholesterol than chicken, better safe than sorry I always say!

Guess I will have to stick with sushi like i had last night:

Anago - sea eel
Unagi - freshwater eel
Ebi - shrimp
Ama Ebi - sweet shrimp
Kani - crab
Toro - fatty tuna

I think that covers the menu from last night, some were hand rolls, some regular rolls, and the Black Dragon roll was amazing (that's a California roll wrapped with Anago) then the green tea mochi ice cream to top it all off just made the meal! If I can't eat pork better stick with what has kept the Japanese healthy for centuries!

 

[Skillz151]

[noflame]

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

The first four present none of the recent research that refutes their findings. I can find you websites that state the earth is flat, that water is bad for you, and various other whacko topics. The first four links might convince someone who hasn't researched the topic at all, but they are worthless for the thinking individual.

If you had bothered to read the other threads on food you will find that a study by Adventists on Adventists that sets out to prove Adventist doctrine cannot be trusted in any scientific manner. That would be like believing the results of a study by Microsoft that proved Linux was bad for your computer. You have presented no scientific evidence whatsoever to refute the facts posted above.

And I can find you more recalls on anything you want me to find, even canned vegetables. Any food can be contaminated at the time of processing. Pork is more or less prone to this than any other food.

 

[Skillz151]

Japanese Death Rates *note* They do have the highest life expectancy but.

http://www.wpro.who.int/chips/chip02/jpn.htm

While Japan has been traditionally characterized by a greater tendency for stomach cancer and uterine cancer deaths than deaths from other types of cancer, deaths from these types of cancer have been declining in recent years. They have been replaced by an increasing number of deaths from lung cancer, breast cancer and cancer of the large intestine among other types of cancer, showing a trend towards the "westernization of cancer".

Note*
NATIONAL HEALTH PRIORITIES

National health promotion movement in the 21st Century (Healthy Japan 21)

The Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare announced a health promotion programme, "National health promotion movement in the 21st Century (Healthy Japan 21)" in 2000. The movement, unlike traditional programmes, emphasizes "primary prevention" aiming at early detection and treatment of diseases. Under the campaign, particular areas that are going to be important for health and medical care of nationals are selected and concrete numerical targets are set. These targets will function as indicators for evaluations on the health status of the population. The goal of this movement, which is to be completed in 2010, is to realize a society where all the nationals live a healthy and happy life free of diseases.

#1 Attaining healthy dietary habits

 

[Skillz151]

Flesh99

You seriously have to rethink a lil bit here. Your gonna take the Governments word for it? They make money from this stuff. They will feed you whatever you will buy. Its the same lie's about how Milk does a body good. LIES

http://www.notmilk.com/
http://www.panix.com/~nomilk/
http://www.milksucks.com/index2.html

I can go on and on. I don't know what else to tell you sir.