Eating animals...

[devin553344]

In the garden God gave Adam and Eve every fruit and plant for food. But God specifically says to Noah, "Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything." (Genesis 9:3).

If your conscience is offended by consuming meat, then don't eat meat. But you don't have the right to accuse others of sinning for eating meat when eating meat is not sinful, and is not forbidden in God's commandments. You yourself sin when you do this.

We are not to judge one another over what we eat.

There has never been a doctrine of abstaining from meat, either in the OT or the NT. One can make a personal choice about such matters, according to the dictates of their conscience, but no one can make a command where God has not commanded. That is sinful.

-CryptoLutheran

I judge people, it's my nature, hopefully that doesn't offend you.

 

[devin553344]

There be many ways we stay alive, I've not used a gun to shoot anyone and I've
never used a gun to kill an animal. I have used a knife, a bow and arrow to
for hunting and I've also used a baited wooden animal trap to catch rabbits.
My shooting of a gun, rifle and bow have also been at hay bales with a bullseye put
on it or put a bullseye on a stake.
We grew up very poor and survived by living off the land, dad taught us all to
hunt, fish, trap and how to grow vegetables etc.

I was taught street fighting and some martial arts techniques by my brothers.
I also carry two weapons...God's Word and a weapon, so far I've used God's
Word more than the weapon that I own.

Chapter 8 of 1 Corinthians speaks about being sensitive to conscious.

1 Timothy 4:1-5
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

If you came to my house, I wouldn't serve meat at meal time since I
know how you feel about it.

Thanks for that testimony, I was raised similarly. I feel at home now.

 

[GUANO]

It's part of the circle of life... We eat animals, God eats us.

 

[devin553344]

It's part of the circle of life... We eat animals, God eats us.

And how does God eat us. I've felt this testimony before and I can't remember how God eats us. Please explain.

 

[GUANO]

And how does God eat us. I've felt this testimony before and I can't remember how God eats us. Please explain.

I've never heard anyone speak on it but scripture implies that our prayers and personal sacrifices are an aroma to God. Our labors are fruits... Our death is the harvest... someone must be feasting...

There is more to it if you follow this logic...

We are sheep who are asked to sacrifice ourselves simply for the pleasure of a being that we do not understand the purposes of...

The kingdom of god... The spirit world... The essence of the thing... it's all based on a garden...

 

[tampasteve]

I judge people, it's my nature, hopefully that doesn't offend you.

We all judge one another in some way, but it is something that we need to be aware of and work on - by its nature judgement from our peers is offensive to each other.

Thanks, I must have been confused. The doctrine is a little strange following it from OT to NT.

It seems that your focus on a particular passage and preconceived notions on diet, in exclusion to the other passages, is influencing your interpretation of the passage in question and then your belief in Jesus's divinity as a consequence. There are some passages that require much study and prayer to reconcile between the two sets of scriptures that make up the whole. However, in this particular case the OT and NT are clear in their decision that it is not a sin to eat flesh, whether we are reading either one independently or as a whole.

 

[GingerBeer]

Can you find for me where it says that, cause it looks like he did to me, but I would like to see. Thanks.

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
1Pe 2:21 For to this have ye been called; for Christ also has suffered for you, leaving you a model that ye should follow in his steps: 22 who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth;

 

[Celticroots]

I don’t have an issue eating animals as God put us above animals in Genesis. Deer, geese, turkey, etc are commonly hunted.

Secondly, most hunters know where to shoot an animal to cause the least amount of suffering and pain- you learn that in a hunter’s safety course. And if you accidentally injure the animal you’re expected to go after it rather than let it bleed out slowly.

I say this as someone who has gotten their hunting license.

 

[Ron Gurley]

Imagine how world hunger would increase if man were somehow forbidden to eat animal/bird/fish/egg/non-veggies.

 

[lozzymagoo]

The bible is clear on the issue:

Genesis: {1:29} And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. {1:30} And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat: and it was so. {1:31} And
God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

And yet Jesus ate fish and bread....

 

[Silly Uncle Wayne]

I've heard in these forums that guns aren't OK, but yet we eat animals. In the sense of letting living creatures live I would have to say that killing your pets and eating them is evil. Not to be rude. But we use guns to kill and stay alive, and eating of animals is the same, we kill them and eat them to stay alive. Eat and live for another day. But we don't have to, we have beans and eggs and things that don't involve the killing of creatures that have a nervous system. So things without a nervous system don't feel pain when they die. That would be plants and eggs. But things that have a nervous system do feel pain when we kill them, that would be animals.

So the question I have is how do you feel about that?

Hungry

 

[Shadowprophet]

What caught me off guard was the first line that in these forums guns aren't okay. I'm not here to argue gun policy. But it sounds to me like someone is placing a lot of blame on the tools rather than the wielders of the tools, Guns are tools. and more often than not people can't see past their tools and admire the bigger picture. Guns have brought far more peace and even resources to every single person here than people realize. Firstly. Since America was founded, Guns have been part of peoples lives. Guns have made us more efficient hunters. And honestly, I'm not here to argue Vegan versus omnivore, We were designed, created as Omnivores who eat both herbs and meat. So, Yeah. It's actually not the healthiest choice to give up meat completely. Anyway. Guns have made us apex hunters and we no longer have to chase dinner down with a stick. Now, The fact is, MAny of you will already disagree. But I ask you to read on, Guns have protected our children. Not just at home but overseas. If you are a parent who has a child in the military. Surely you don't want them fighting a war without a gun? Guns protect us. And have protected us for a very very long time, in fact, We may not even have America if we weren't able to fight off the British with What? (Guns) This isn't to even mention that here we are. the entire world is on the edge of encroaching terror attacks. and people want everyone to give up their guns in the middle of this? Look the Bible Charges The Husband with the provision and protection of the family. Do we outlaw fists? because people hit each other with those fists? The Tool is not the problem, It's the person wielding the gun that is the problem. Guns have been an invaluable tool for both resource and protection, And this doesn't even cover that really really important people like president's and world leaders, well they have armed guards. Now, If guns are such a problem, And they are evil. Then why do world leaders all have armed guards? From the president. to the queen of England to The leader of Russia and North Korea, All these leader have people surrounding them ready to protect their leaders armed to the teeth. With guns., You can rest assured, We will never see the day these world leaders give up their armed protection. And we should be willing to give our own families that same kind of security. people who can't see this. well, those people are afraid to put the Fault where it rightfully belongs, in the individual. They would rather make the tool into the villain. A tool is an inanimate object with no will. The fault falls on the users.

 

[devin553344]

Imagine how world hunger would increase if man were somehow forbidden to eat animal/bird/fish/egg/non-veggies.

Yeah I was thinking about that, if we all ate veggies we would starve. There's not enough veggies in the world for everyone. Meat covers alot of the food diet. There's still eggs though and chickens lay alot of eggs

 

[Shempster]

Imagine how world hunger would increase if man were somehow forbidden to eat animal/bird/fish/egg/non-veggies.

If you consider the vastness of the land required for cattle farming, you might look at that differently.
If we could convert cattle land to crop land, there would be more than enough to feed the whole country.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

But animals put to death so you can live seems harsh. What if you got put to death so others could live, like a warrior in a war, said to you kill or be killed so we can be free of extermination, like in WWII and the germans. Does that make sense?

No.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

If you consider the vastness of the land required for cattle farming, you might look at that differently.
If we could convert cattle land to crop land, there would be more than enough to feed the whole country.

Cattle can be used to make marginal land productive.

We could survive without eating animals, but who would want that?

 

[dgiharris]

I guess my morality says that I must kill living creatures and plants to survive so I am thankful to God for their sacrifice that I can live another day. Daily I give thanks and for each meal. Does that make sense?

this isn't a morality per say as it doesn't define any right or wrong.

For instance, according to what you've written in this quoted section, it is okay to eat babies? I know that is an extreme example.

You need to do a deep dive and ask yourself "Why" is it okay according to your morality to eat certain things and not other things? Why is it easier for you to eat plants than animals? Why are some animals okay and others not okay? Why isn't it okay to eat people?

I know on the surface the answers may seem obvious, but you need to dig deep and keep asking yourself why. Why why why...

 

[dgiharris]

Cattle can be used to make marginal land productive.

We could survive without eating animals, but who would want that?

The biggest problem with trying to survive without eating animals is the severe lack of protein that plants have compared to animals.

Kale is the plant with the most amount of protein and gram for gram it is about a factor of 9 less than animal meat like beef. This means, in order to get the same amount of protein from 1-pound of beef you'd need to eat over 9 pounds of Kale. Not to mention that our bodies more readily convert and use animal protein better than we do vegetable protein.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The biggest problem with trying to survive without eating animals is the severe lack of protein that plants have compared to animals.

Kale is the plant with the most amount of protein and gram for gram it is about a factor of 9 less than animal meat like beef. This means, in order to get the same amount of protein from 1-pound of beef you'd need to eat over 9 pounds of Kale. Not to mention that our bodies more readily convert and use animal protein better than we do vegetable protein.

Lot's of good tasting meatless sources of complete protein.

Complete Protein Foods that Aren't Meat | Reader's Digest

I'm not a vegan or vegetarian but I don't eat much meat. I eat eggs, milk, cheese, beans, buckwheat pancakes, peanut butter; occasionally a piece of chicken, fish, steak, and chili with ground beef.

 

[expos4ever]

You are really telling me we aren't to eat meat? If so, yes, the bible is clear, you are not.

After the flood:

Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

And how anyone can miss the old law concerning what meats were allowed for the Jews, and what were not, IDK?

Fair enough, but I think it's wise to follow the trajectory of the Biblical narrative. In short, we start in Eden with a vegetarian diet and I think it is pretty clear that the entire arc of the narrative from then on has us destined to a kind of return to Eden. So even though it is clearly true that scripture countenances eating meat along the way to that final destination, I suggest that we (today) are embedded in that part of the narrative where the Edenic curse has been reversed and we perhaps, in anticipation of the final act of the narrative, should go back to a vegetarian diet.