Eating animals...

[Not me]

Double post, chubby fingers.

in love Mot me

 

[tampasteve]

I'm not sure what you mean outside the thread?

Sorry, I mean the resons we don't sacrifice are outside the topic of this thread so would be off topic to get into and not really relevant to the discussion

 

[Not me]

Why did God institute the sacrifice of animals in the Old Testament?

It was an example of what needed to be done to bring Man back to fellowship with Him.~~~ The pouring out of the life of this world.~~

Much love, Not me.[/QUOTE]


Off topic, sorry

 

[Abaxvahl]

I've heard in these forums that guns aren't OK, but yet we eat animals. In the sense of letting living creatures live I would have to say that killing your pets and eating them is evil. Not to be rude. But we use guns to kill and stay alive, and eating of animals is the same, we kill them and eat them to stay alive. Eat and live for another day. But we don't have to, we have beans and eggs and things that don't involve the killing of creatures that have a nervous system. So things without a nervous system don't feel pain when they die. That would be plants and eggs. But things that have a nervous system do feel pain when we kill them, that would be animals.

So the question I have is how do you feel about that?

I feel that people shouldn't harm any animals (bugs, even bedbugs included), so I feel that they shouldn't eat them for any reason whatsoever. I include eggs and dairy with that because of how the industry works, in a perfect world maybe not. But in consistency neither am I fine with guns (or any violence for any reason or support of it in any way), am very for making no negative impact on the environment at all (which is possible to my knowledge), anti-abortion, etc.

No matter what Jesus did in accordance to His environment, or Mosaic law, I don't see any reason to inflict suffering on being that are supposedly subordinate to me. Dominion means being a good steward to me, and behaving like Christ. God has dominion over us and only gives out eternal love and mercy (whether we accept it or not), not pointless and useless suffering, so we should do the same.

Though sadly it is not required by the Christian faith, the faith is not against these positions.

 

[devin553344]

Why did God institute the sacrifice of animals in the Old Testament?

It was an example of what needed to be done to bring Man back to fellowship with Him. The pouring out of the life of this world.

Much love, Not me.

Off topic, sorry [/QUOTE]
Strange, God bringing us back to his Glory is us being alive and alright being resurrecred and alive.

 

[devin553344]

I feel that people shouldn't harm any animals (bugs, even bedbugs included), so I feel that they shouldn't eat them for any reason whatsoever. I include eggs and dairy with that because of how the industry works, in a perfect world maybe not. But in consistency neither am I fine with guns (or any violence for any reason or support of it in any way), am very for making no negative impact on the environment at all (which is possible to my knowledge), anti-abortion, etc.

No matter what Jesus did in accordance to His environment, or Mosaic law, I don't see any reason to inflict suffering on being that are supposedly subordinate to me. Dominion means being a good steward to me, and behaving like Christ. God has dominion over us and only gives out eternal love and mercy (whether we accept it or not), not pointless and useless suffering, so we should do the same.

Though sadly it is not required by the Christian faith, the faith is not against these positions.

I agree.

 

[derpytia]

I've heard in these forums that guns aren't OK, but yet we eat animals. In the sense of letting living creatures live I would have to say that killing your pets and eating them is evil. Not to be rude. But we use guns to kill and stay alive, and eating of animals is the same, we kill them and eat them to stay alive. Eat and live for another day. But we don't have to, we have beans and eggs and things that don't involve the killing of creatures that have a nervous system. So things without a nervous system don't feel pain when they die. That would be plants and eggs. But things that have a nervous system do feel pain when we kill them, that would be animals.

So the question I have is how do you feel about that?

To be honest, if I think about it too much, it does make me a bit sad. When I eat meat, I'm eating something that nourishes my own body but it's still something that was once alive that had an intelligent brain and feelings and emotions.

Hence why I try not to think about it too much.

 

[Humble me Lord]

Are we to include the poor little head lice?
Contrary to popular belief, life is not a Disney movie, and bugs don't talk to each other.

 

[devin553344]

To be honest, if I think about it too much, it does make me a bit sad. When I eat meat, I'm eating something that nourishes my own body but it's still something that was once alive that had an intelligent brain and feelings and emotions.

Hence why I try not to think about it too much.

I fell the same way which is why I started this thread.

 

[Southernscotty]

I didn't rise to the top of the food chain to graze, Give me some meat to put between my biscuit.
I was raised on a farm where we raised hogs, calves, chickens, rabbits and other animals and us kids would play with our food from it's birth, till it hit the dinner plate, We never even thought twice about it. It was just a way of life for us, For us to live? meant eating whatever we raised and butchered.
I consider a properly placed bullet to be a very efficient and quick way to dispatch animals. Much better and cleaner than seeing them overpopulate and die of diseases. That would be to suffer for sure.
I hunt, I fish and yet I respect and love all of God's creatures, but we as humans do have dominion over them as stated above and animals cannot be placed on the same level with humans as some people do.

 

[RaymondG]

I would like to be a vegetarian but haven't figured out how I would get all my amino acids. It would be especially challenging, I think, to get all my amino acids while traveling.

I have the same concerns.......I cant afford to use any weight.....I fear cutting out meats will dip my below the normal BMI scale. And I dont want to over due it with the rice and pasta to compensate for the lose of meat.....

 

[RaymondG]

Yes, it would appear that he desired the sacrifice and to share it. There are many verses that state the He loves the pleasing aroma of flesh, I believe it is over 30 times or so..

Heb10
"8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;"

 

[devin553344]

I didn't rise to the top of the food chain to graze, Give me some meat to put between my biscuit.
I was raised on a farm where we raised hogs, calves, chickens, rabbits and other animals and us kids would play with our food from it's birth, till it hit the dinner plate, We never even thought twice about it. It was just a way of life for us, For us to live? meant eating whatever we raised and butchered.
I consider a properly placed bullet to be a very efficient and quick way to dispatch animals. Much better and cleaner than seeing them overpopulate and die of diseases. That would be to suffer for sure.
I hunt, I fish and yet I respect and love all of God's creatures, but we as humans do have dominion over them as stated above and animals cannot be placed on the same level with humans as some people do.

Well spoken, the thing I'm stating is whether it's OK to kill them?

 

[devin553344]

I have the same concerns.......I cant afford to use any weight.....I fear cutting out meats will dip my below the normal BMI scale. And I dont want to over due it with the rice and pasta to compensate for the lose of meat.....

I agree and think the same what about all that pasta

 

[devin553344]

Heb10
"8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;"

By the law, but are we better than the law?

 

[Southernscotty]

Well spoken, the thing I'm stating is whether it's OK to kill them?

I sure hope so, You ever try frying a running deer? LOL

 

[Devin P]

I've heard in these forums that guns aren't OK, but yet we eat animals. In the sense of letting living creatures live I would have to say that killing your pets and eating them is evil. Not to be rude. But we use guns to kill and stay alive, and eating of animals is the same, we kill them and eat them to stay alive. Eat and live for another day. But we don't have to, we have beans and eggs and things that don't involve the killing of creatures that have a nervous system. So things without a nervous system don't feel pain when they die. That would be plants and eggs. But things that have a nervous system do feel pain when we kill them, that would be animals.

So the question I have is how do you feel about that?

Well, God gave us clean animals for eating. So it can't be a sin and or a wrong thing to do.

We are to kill them humanely and treat them with respect while they're alive though. The ways animals are treated in the general food market of America is horrible though.

But, if you yourself raise the animals, it'd be much more difficult to eat meat because you raised all of them up yourself, making you attached to them. Plus you'll be able to care properly for them. And when it's time to eat one, it's time. They're there for us to eat in that situation. Sure some have more purposes, but ultimately, it's about food. God can't sin, nor can He condone sin, and since He condoned the eating of clean animals it can't be sinful. There are however right and wrong, good and bad ways to go about preparing animals for slaughter, and actually slaughtering them.

But yeah, meat during biblical times wasn't eaten every day, it was a special thing. That, and they'd eat much more of it in the winter (animal fat helps up a lot in the winter)

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

You have a problem with the food chain. Your argument is with the one who made it. To persuade a human or two does nothing to override the fact that life on earth was designed to follow this heterotrophic system. I don't like the idea of carnivorism, either, but I will not argue the merits, for nor against, of eating meat. The principle of the thing was God's design, and debating against it is fruitless.

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

I've heard in these forums that guns aren't OK, but yet we eat animals. In the sense of letting living creatures live I would have to say that killing your pets and eating them is evil. Not to be rude. But we use guns to kill and stay alive, and eating of animals is the same, we kill them and eat them to stay alive. Eat and live for another day. But we don't have to, we have beans and eggs and things that don't involve the killing of creatures that have a nervous system. So things without a nervous system don't feel pain when they die. That would be plants and eggs. But things that have a nervous system do feel pain when we kill them, that would be animals.

So the question I have is how do you feel about that?

I feel that sloppy joe with hamburger that I just ate tasted mighty good! But bacon and beef jerky are the absolute best!

 

[RaymondG]

By the law, but are we better than the law?

The point was, I dont think God was pleased with the sacrifice......yet the law did institute it....It is for us to discover why.....believe was others tell us about it....it just take it literally....