Easiest Defense of Sola Scriptura

[redleghunter]

Oh, hmm, can you show me where Jesus told us to "listen to the church"?
Because, I am told to live by the words of God, not the church.

Matthew 4:4King James Version (KJV)

4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.


Of course, not everything Jesus taught is in the bible and not everything that man will try to get you to do in the name of a religion, is in the bible either.:

John 21:25King James Version (KJV)

25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

But lest we forget:

John 20:

30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:

31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

 

[Colter]

I don't pick fights........ I seek clarification. I don't recall the word you used to use where you now use "Christian Church Seeker." You even cited a certain book or writing.

Honestly, it was Christian-Seeker, the site changed it, I don't even know how. I'm not sure what the difference is. Is Christian Church a particular denomination?

 

[redleghunter]

Sure. Matthew 18:17. "And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector."

If you believe Jesus then people who refuse to listen to the church should be treated as heathens (which means unbelievers).

What's the context?

 

[Winken]

Honestly, it was Christian-Seeker, the site changed it, I don't even know how. I'm not sure what the difference is. Is Christian Church a particular denomination?

Yes, the Christian Church is an identifiable denomination. I don't subscribe to their specific interpretations of scripture.

 

[JacksBratt]

Jesus did in fact claim to be divine, that doesn't mean he claimed to be the I AM.

It's written right there....others have reinforced my view. Ask your clergy.. I'm sure they will explain it to ya.

For one the flood story has God disappointed in his creation, so he drowned the whole earth except of course an ansestor of the Hebrews who concocted that story. It didn't even work, man is still the same.

I think you missed one small ,yet important detail. He was not killing man off only, because they were bad people. Read it again... read where it says "all flesh was corrupted" and "Noah was perfect in his generations".
Satan had corrupted the human DNA line in an attempt to make it impossible for there to be a "perfect lamb of God" as a savior. If Noah's blood line was corrupted as well, Jesus would not have been of pure human DNA and salvation would not have been possible. So, God started over.

Then there's the directive to go kill men, women and children but the troops can keep the little virgin girls! That is so very obviously not God!

With you stating to be a Christian, I am sure that you have the spiritual fortitude to study why these people were totally wiped out, except the virgins.... It was not a hateful genocide. I'm actually surprised that you still don't understand this concept of wiping out these places, even the animals.....

As someone else stated, keep searching and you will not be disappointed. Again..........ask your clergy.

THere are a number of other egregious claims that people sense in their hearts are not right but the church manipulates people into believing them. They call that faith.

Again, dig deeper brother. Ask your clergy and don't forget. God's ways are not the ways of men and God is always righteous. He cannot be anything but. Looking at it from a 21st century person without knowledge of the intimate details of what God was doing, will leave you with the wrong impression.

 

[Winken]

Yes, the Christian Church is an identifiable denomination. I don't subscribe to their specific interpretations of scripture.

To clarify, that does not mean that Christian Church-seeker applies to that particular denomination. Christian Church-seeker is holistic.

 

[Constantine the Sinner]

Jesus was subject to the will of the Father while on earth, but he wasn't the Father, he is the Son. We agree they are indistinguishably linked in divinity.

We are going off topic here kinda.

He isn't the Father, but they have a single will and action, furnished by the Father; not as an automaton, but as two hypostases of one will, which is from the Father, but is as much the Word's as the Father's. To say they don't is polytheism.

 

[Colter]

Yes, the Christian Church is an identifiable denomination. I don't subscribe to their specific interpretations of scripture.

Oh, maybe I should look into that and see what they think I am LoL!

 

[Colter]

He isn't the Father, but they have a single will and action, furnished by the Father; not as an automaton, but as two hypostases of one will, which is from the Father, but is as much the Word's as the Father's. To say they don't is polytheism.

Judaism had no concept of Yahweh having a Son. So this was all news to them. Polytheism is multiple Gods with separate spheres, agendas, domains etc. God the Father delegates powers and authorities in his subordinates. They are loyal to the Father. One of the Sons brilliant sons broke ranks, became disloyal, sinful. He was Lucifer.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Maybe the Latin Rite knows something about how the Bible we know came into being. And that's why one of their own councils called finding our way to God by that Bible alone, sola scriptura, anathema.

 

[Winken]

OOPS! Must be getting tired. I missed "Jesus of the The Urantia Book" still there on your posts. I thought that maybe you were coming around to an authentic Christian viewpoint.

 

[Winken]

Maybe the Latin Rite knows something about how the Bible we know came into being. And that's why one of their own councils called finding our way to God by that Bible alone, sola scriptura, anathema.

Wow......... I don't think I could ever use that word, "anathema," when referring to scripture. Nope, I couldn't.

 

[Winken]

Gotta go.......... be blessed in Him. G'Nite............

 

[Constantine the Sinner]

Judaism had no concept of Yahweh having a Son. So this was all news to them. Polytheism is multiple Gods with separate spheres, agendas, domains etc. God the Father delegates powers and authorities in his subordinates. They are loyal to the Father. One of the Sons brilliant sons broke ranks, became disloyal, sinful. He was Lucifer.

Do you think Jesus is a god, or the same God that the Father is?

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Wow......... I don't think I could ever use that word, "anathema," when referring to scripture. Nope, I couldn't.

Council of Trent didn't seem to have a problem with it.

Wasn't there other teachings of Christ that other councils decreed heretical? Or anathema as well?
I'm asking before I look for that myself.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Gotta go.......... be blessed in Him. G'Nite............

Goodnight. Be blessed as well.

 

[thesunisout]

This is not going to be some long winded word game. It is easy.

1) God's Word is True, incontrovertibly true.
2) Scripture is God's Word.
3) Scripture is incontrovertibly true.

4) Prove another source of incontrovertible truth.
5) No other physical source of incontrovertible truth on earth has been proven.

By default, there is only Sola Scriptura.

Yes, there have been multiple threads on SS. The problem is that all the attacks on SS put the burden to prove there are no other source of incontrovertible truth on the holders to SS. How ridiculous is that? The burden is on those that believe in another source of incontrovertible truth. Despite being asked multiple times in other threads, no proof has been given for incontrovertible truth in any other earthly source.

So if you think anything but SS, I challenge you to prove to me another source of incontrovertible truth.

Brother, I think it is useless to try to prove this truth to those who think they already have it figured out. In another one of these threads, Catholics are arguing against SS because if it is true, it means the Catholic church is not the highest authority. How are you going to get someone to admit that? They have too much at stake, which is why they are desperately trying to prove that SS is not true. Pray for them instead, I would say.

 

[Constantine the Sinner]

Council of Trent didn't seem to have a problem with it.

Wasn't there other teachings of Christ that other councils decreed heretical? Or anathema as well?
I'm asking before I look for that myself.

Sola Scriptura wasn't a teaching of Christ's, I don't think, since he taught a lot that wasn't in Scripture.

 

[Colter]

OOPS! Must be getting tired. I missed "Jesus of the The Urantia Book" still there on your posts. I thought that maybe you were coming around to an authentic Christian viewpoint.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Judaism had no concept of Yahweh having a Son. So this was all news to them. Polytheism is multiple Gods with separate spheres, agendas, domains etc. God the Father delegates powers and authorities in his subordinates. They are loyal to the Father. One of the Sons brilliant sons broke ranks, became disloyal, sinful. He was Lucifer.

Interesting indeed.
Where then did the idea of Jesus son of God enter in as the only begotten son of God? Who's to fulfill the Jewish prophecies speaking of the Messiah?

Your observation makes me think of the plural God used in Genesis. "Let us make him in our image and likeness." When Adam ate of the fruit God said he'd become like one of us.
Always the plural, as Elohim appears to indicate as well.